Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > > I cannot comment on other the workflows of specific tools, mostly > > because I have never managed to find one that would solve some problems

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > I cannot comment on other the workflows of specific tools, mostly > because I have never managed to find one that would solve some problems > that I have, but my own packages do not require anything like that

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:57:59PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: >> And creates a source package that does not correspond to my >> repository. I don’t need to have a ./debian/patches in my repositor

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 24, Ian Jackson wrote: > But I think that someone who knows how to use git should be able to > get the source code for a package in Debian, as a git branch, and > modify that source code, and share it, and so on, without needing to > deal with quilt, or learn any of dpkg-source --commit, g

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
(I'm replying to Manoj and Marco, almost alternately, in one message. Sorry if that's confusing...) Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > Having the alleged needs of naive users dictate the des

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:57:59PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 01:32:59PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Adam Borowski writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > >> > On Mo

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 01:32:59PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Adam Borowski writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): >> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:19:01AM +0100, Daniel Stender wrote: >> > > Ah yes, source

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 23, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Obviously, for dgit to be useful, it has to define a standard >> interchange format. That format has to be patches-applied because >> otherwise naive users can't work with the source code properly. > Having the alleged

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 23 2016, Ian Jackson wrote: > Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): >> I like the general idea of dgit, but I will never use it as long as it >> requires committing patched trees. > > Obviously, for dgit to be useful, it has to de

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Adam Borowski writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 01:32:59PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Please don't use source format `3.0 (quilt)', it sucks. > > Could you tell us what other downsides it has, besides quilt? > All othe

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 23, Ian Jackson wrote: > Obviously, for dgit to be useful, it has to define a standard > interchange format. That format has to be patches-applied because > otherwise naive users can't work with the source code properly. Having the alleged needs of naive users dictate the design of our to

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > I like the general idea of dgit, but I will never use it as long as it > requires committing patched trees. Obviously, for dgit to be useful, it has to define a standard interchange format. That format has to be pa

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Brian May writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > I think the single-debian-patch makes doing security updates a lot > harder. Particularly if one distribution has been patched, and the patch > needs to be ported to other distributions. > > Sure, you might be a

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 01:32:59PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Adam Borowski writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:19:01AM +0100, Daniel Stender wrote: > > > Ah yes, source format 1.0 fits better here. Thanks for the pointer an

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Adam Borowski writes ("Re: a poll for Dgit workflows"): > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:19:01AM +0100, Daniel Stender wrote: > > Ah yes, source format 1.0 fits better here. Thanks for the pointer and > > comments (Manoj, too). > > Please don't use source for

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 22, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Aside: I do like separating Debian deltas from upstream pristine source > because I find them easier to track as upstream changes. So I'm still a fan > of 3.0-quilt but I understand the problems involved, and I'm sure there's a > git-ier way of making Debian delt

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-22 Thread Brian May
Barry Warsaw writes: > Even if I didn't like 3.0-quilt, I think it's clear that dgit has to work well > with such package formats as it will be a long time, if ever that a maintainer > won't have to walk up to a quiltified package to do some work on. I'm not > personally a fan of single-debian-p

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 19, 2016, at 04:27 PM, Daniel Stender wrote: >dealing with Dgit beyond a "simple" workflow (clone/fetch - make changes - >dgit push) I wanted to poll for workflows towards new upstream tarballs and, >connected to that, the treatment of patches. I haven't used dgit for anything real yet, bu

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:19:01AM +0100, Daniel Stender wrote: > On 20.03.2016 13:58, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Another easy approach is to switch to a non-quilt source format. This > > will work if you don't need the other things that `3.0 (quilt)' does. > > Ah yes, source format 1.0 fits better h

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-21 Thread Daniel Stender
On 20.03.2016 13:58, Ian Jackson wrote: > Daniel Stender writes ("a poll for Dgit workflows"): >> I've experimented with applying `gbp import-orig` on an extra >> upstream branch and merging into e.g. dgit/sid, but this seems to be >> substandard because `dgi

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Stender writes ("a poll for Dgit workflows"): > I've experimented with applying `gbp import-orig` on an extra > upstream branch and merging into e.g. dgit/sid, but this seems to be > substandard because `dgit quilt-fixup` wants to quiltify all the > changes in th

Re: a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On March 19, 2016 8:27:43 AM PDT, Daniel Stender wrote: >Hi, > >dealing with Dgit beyond a "simple" workflow (clone/fetch - make >changes - dgit push) I >wanted to poll for workflows towards new upstream tarballs and, >connected to that, the >treatment of patches. My work flow is probably not

a poll for Dgit workflows

2016-03-19 Thread Daniel Stender
Hi, dealing with Dgit beyond a "simple" workflow (clone/fetch - make changes - dgit push) I wanted to poll for workflows towards new upstream tarballs and, connected to that, the treatment of patches. I've experimented with applying `gbp import-orig` on an extra upstream branch and merging int