On Monday 31 January 2005 16:16, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
1) - a community where people are pleasant to each other, where
disagreements are discussed politely, and where people who are unable to
be civil are not glorified for their behaviour.
This isn't too far from the
Russell Coker wrote:
On Monday 31 January 2005 16:16, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
1) - a community where people are pleasant to each other, where
disagreements are discussed politely, and where people who are unable to
be civil are not glorified for their behaviour.
This isn't too
Russell Coker wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahh, it's the I can deal with it therefore it's OK line. What if
there is another solution? Are you even prepared to consider that
possibility?
That's not the issue. The issue is that there are many stressful situations
in life and adults have to
* Helen Faulkner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050129 21:50]:
What would you prefer:
1) - a community where people are pleasant to each other, where
disagreements are discussed politely, and where people who are unable to
be civil are not glorified for their behaviour.
or
2) - a community where
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For those of you who don't know Rusty has a fine collection of flames (and
other silly messages) written to some very skillful Linux programmers. You
can write excellent code and be nice and still get flamed a lot. This is
just something you have
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 02:18:36PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
PS You really should talk to some mothers about the stress involved with
raising children.
Or fathers, maybe?
Most reports make raising children sound about a million
times more difficult than dealing with flames.
Indeed. You
On Monday 31 January 2005 02:03, Andreas Rottmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For those of you who don't know Rusty has a fine collection of flames
(and other silly messages) written to some very skillful Linux
programmers. You can write excellent code
Please don't CC me.
I am on this list, and I therefore did not request to be CCd.
Russell Coker wrote:
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 11:26, Helen Faulkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who
are very agressive or insulting should be a
El Sábado 29 Enero 2005 22:47, Helen Faulkner escribió:
Ahh, it's the I can deal with it therefore it's OK line. What if
there is another solution? Are you even prepared to consider that
possibility?
What would you prefer:
1) - a community where people are pleasant to each other, where
Helen Faulkner wrote:
Please don't CC me.
I am on this list, and I therefore did not request to be CCd.
Russell Coker wrote:
[...]
For those of you who don't know Rusty has a fine collection of flames
(and other silly messages) written to some very skillful Linux
programmers. You can write
On Sunday 30 January 2005 07:47, Helen Faulkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those of you who don't know Rusty has a fine collection of flames
(and other silly messages) written to some very skillful Linux
programmers. You can write excellent code and be nice and still get
flamed a lot.
On Sunday 30 January 2005 08:58, Helen Faulkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
neither childish nor unreasonable, though it is possibly not actually
much fun for Rusty and others.
Receiving a flame that you can display at a conference dinner is something to
be proud of!
Some people are (in)famous
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 11:26, Helen Faulkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who
are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement
in Debian. Sadly, it seems to me that this is effectively the case.
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 12:21, Helen Faulkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From the point of view of behaviour in Debian lists that is
intimidating to newcomers and especially people who are shy or not very
thick-skinned, the most troubling post to this thread, in my opinion,
The most shy
On Monday 24 January 2005 21:01, SR, ESC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with
your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't
want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little
politics.
On
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 16:02 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
Romain Francoise wrote:
And Debian wouldn't be fun without a few enmities, we wouldn't have great
posts like http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/07/msg01308.html or
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that
usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around.
That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead
to quite the oposite as well
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that
usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around.
That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead
to
SR, ESC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
while i don't appeciate gunnar's comments - seems to me he's just
trying to lessening the issue i brought up.
Which is what? I didn't read your one or two initial mails that
consistent mainly of f-words; besides that I have not read anything you
brought up.
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 09:48 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that
usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around.
That
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:48:04AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that
usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around.
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050125 07:05]:
Romain Francoise wrote:
And Debian wouldn't be fun without a few enmities, we wouldn't have great
posts like http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/07/msg01308.html or
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 07:38:41AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
Sadly, those helpful people usually don't make up the reputation of Debian
in public. The aggressive DDs do this, IMHO.
You might be right. Also posts like this don't help:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:00:35 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann
Moving to -project, follow up there.
Em Ter, 2005-01-25 s 09:30 +, Steve Kemp escreveu:
That'd be too much, but I'd love to see a photo field in the
db.debian.org database, or some other gallery of developers.
That's been proposed before -- even adding it to the /devel/people page
has
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:43:32AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
[snip]
3. If anyone says something to you that is insulting or upsetting or
offensive, you are possibly better off just ignoring it than trying to
argue with them. Remember 1 :)
3.5.
A lot of nuance gets lost when
Scripsit Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Based on comments made to me by a number of women who are interested
in contributing more to Debian, the level of agressiveness on some of
the mailing lists and IRC channels is a problem.
Hmm... after I started wasting time on #debian-devel I have
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 15:00 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people
who are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for
involvement in Debian.
I believe that it *should*
Henning Makholm writes:
I believe that it *should* be a requirement that one has enough calm to
most of the time respond to (percieved or actual) aggression and insults
in a less aggressive and insulting way than the other party
uses. Otherwise the project will surely die (film at 11!) from
Gergely Nagy writes:
Indeed. Even if all of us start to behave ourselves and avoid nasty
flamewars (ha! in your dreams! :P), we still have to deal with the
occassional bugreporter of Barbaric Communication School For 1337 People
(the `f**k you, this piece of s***e doesn't work, go fix it or
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:02 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
Gergely Nagy writes:
Indeed. Even if all of us start to behave ourselves and avoid nasty
flamewars (ha! in your dreams! :P), we still have to deal with the
occassional bugreporter of Barbaric Communication School For 1337 People
(the
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:36:04AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote:
what's the fucking point in applying to NM when you get blasted for
asking a simple question about release. and what's the fucking point
when you get called luser for asking about it.
really getting fucking sick of this crap. you
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
report. The last thing Debian needs is more ignorant assholes.
We have way too many as it is, I have to agree...
--
One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of
Le lun 2005-01-24 a 04:49:06 -0500, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL
PROTECTED] a dit:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
report. The last thing Debian needs is more ignorant assholes.
vorlon: i've killfiled you. good riddance.
We have way too many as it is, I have to agree...
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:01:19AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote:
Le lun 2005-01-24 a 04:49:06 -0500, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL
PROTECTED] a dit:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
report. The last thing Debian needs is more ignorant assholes.
vorlon: i've killfiled you. good
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:38:23AM +, Brett Parker wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:01:19AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote:
Le lun 2005-01-24 a 04:49:06 -0500, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL
PROTECTED] a dit:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
report. The last thing Debian
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Brett Parker wrote:
Please please *PLEASE* tell me that people like this get through NM...
Remember Bruce!
/me ponders putting his listmaster hat on and asking simonrvn
to apologize the usage of whole years f-word quota in January.
--j
--
To
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Team player is PHB code for someone who will shut up and do what he
is told even though he knows it is wrong.
Yes.
And Debian wouldn't be fun without a few enmities, we wouldn't have great
posts like
Brett Parker dijo [Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:38:23AM +]:
and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with
your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't
want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little
politics.
Please
Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 00:40 schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
[Person with *very* delicate skin quitting NM]
I don't know (and don't want to, don't point me to it ;-) ) who
advocated a person with such a delicate skin to enter NM. I mean, NM
is for people who are _already_ somewhat involved in
Malte Cornils wrote:
Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 00:40 schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
[Person with *very* delicate skin quitting NM]
I don't know (and don't want to, don't point me to it ;-) ) who
advocated a person with such a delicate skin to enter NM. I mean, NM
is for people who are _already_ somewhat
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:40:18PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Brett Parker dijo [Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:38:23AM +]:
and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with
your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't
want to deal with people that
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 01:26 schrieb Helen Faulkner:
Based on comments made to me by a number of women who are interested in
contributing more to Debian, the level of agressiveness on some of the
mailing lists and IRC channels is a problem. It is preventing people
(women and
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:59:59PM -0500, SR, ESC wrote:
Le lun 2005-01-24 a 19:26:34 -0500, Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] a dit:
I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who
are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement
in
SR, ESC wrote:
to the people that see it for what it is: thank you, and i knew you
would see it (like helen here, and others).
OK, I should be clear here.
From the point of view of behaviour in Debian lists that is
intimidating to newcomers and especially people who are shy or not very
Malte Cornils wrote:
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 01:26 schrieb Helen Faulkner:
I often find myself explaining to people how they can avoid attracting
the attention of those who are likely to be unpleasant to deal with, and
also repeatedly emphasising the fact that, despite some
Hello,
On Tuesday, 25. January 2005 02:43, Helen Faulkner wrote:
I tend to tell people some mixture of the following, depending on the
context:
[Rationale for each skipped for quoting brevity]
1. Remember that lots of Debian people are lovely[...]
2. Don't start an interaction with the
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:43:24PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
John Hasler dijo [Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:54:49AM -0600]:
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt writes:
It's nice of you to send this interesting statement to debian-devel, this
way it will be easier for your AM and the DAM to see how you work
good bye.
--
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what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking.
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On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:45 -0500, SR, ESC wrote:
good bye.
Nice of you to stop in for tea.
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SR, ESC dijo [Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:59:59PM -0500]:
while i don't appeciate gunnar's comments - seems to me he's just
trying to lessening the issue i brought up. and i do have a thick
skin, i just don't see the need to have one if people are going to
work together in a cooperative fashion.
Romain Francoise wrote:
And Debian wouldn't be fun without a few enmities, we wouldn't have great
posts like http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/07/msg01308.html or
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/12/msg8.html...
Huh, and here was me thinking those were perfect
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:26:13AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
Based on comments made to me by a number of women who are interested in
contributing more to Debian, the level of agressiveness on some of the
mailing lists and IRC channels is a problem. It is preventing people
(women and
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 07:38 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:26:13AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
[snip]
I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that
usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around.
Until
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