Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-04 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 13:56 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 10:11:58 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: If you do this, I'd also suggest dropping in a rule for http://bugs.debian.org/libravatar, as I will eventually be moving the

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-03 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 10:11:58 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013, Jakub Wilk wrote: Iceweasel users who want to mitigate the annoyance can put this snippet into their ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/chrome/userContent.css file:

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013, Guillem Jover wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 10:11:58 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013, Jakub Wilk wrote: Iceweasel users who want to mitigate the annoyance can put this snippet into their ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/chrome/userContent.css file:

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-02 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Don Armstrong d...@debian.org, 2013-10-01, 17:10: The avatars are now fully federated, and all caching and retrieval is now done from debian.org resources, which should mitigate the privacy concerns. Iceweasel users who want to mitigate the annoyance can put this snippet into their

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-10-02, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: The avatars are now fully federated, and all caching and retrieval is Yay! Anyone who wants to set up their own http://wiki.libravatar.org/running_your_own/, or you can use libravatar or gravatar if you do not wish to do so (or you can do

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote: Next up I guess is finding a way to have DSA setting up something to host avatars for @debian.org addresses. hint hint :) I guess they would want to replace the current db.debian.org code with ud first: https://github.com/LucaFilipozzi/ud/

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Don Armstrong d...@debian.org, 2013-10-01, 17:10: The avatars are now fully federated, and all caching and retrieval is now done from debian.org resources, which should mitigate the privacy concerns. Iceweasel users who want to mitigate the annoyance

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-10-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013, Bart Martens wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 01:34:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: And I will be implementing caching to address the concerns about web tracking, and more importantly, the lack of federation. See #703119 et al. The caching is a good idea, although I

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-23 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2013-03-23, 09:39: If your browser downloads an image, then the server hosting the image at the very least knows your IP. If your browser was obeying you, it wouldn't download the web tracking images. Yeah, let's blame the victims. -- Jakub Wilk -- To

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:17:16PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: The bigger concern is that this is a web bug, whether it wants to be or not. Whoever hosts any of the images being included knows the IP address and time of every visitor to a

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 09:35:13AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:17:16PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: The bigger concern is that this is a web bug, whether it wants to be or not. Whoever hosts any of the

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 03:06:47PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: In this case, though, what about making the request on the BTS' side? This would reveal nothing about the user who actually reads a bug page to gravatar. The bandwidth needed to do so is totally negligible. I think that's what

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Christoph Biedl debian.axhn at manchmal.in-ulm.de writes: Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It’s not only disgusting but also breaks display in Lynx by adding *lots* of empty lines where there were none before, plus a

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 05:12:30PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Christoph Biedl debian.axhn at manchmal.in-ulm.de writes: Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It’s not only disgusting but also breaks display in Lynx

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 09:35 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: If your browser downloads an image, then the server hosting the image at the very least knows your IP. If your browser was obeying you, it wouldn't download the web tracking images. PS: please don't CC me, I'm subscribed. -- bye,

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-03-21 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 01:34:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Holger Levsen wrote: I too find this totally unacceptable default (to have this enabled by default with just the not even yet implemented option to opt-out). It has already been implemented. See

Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-03-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013, Bart Martens wrote: The caching is a good idea, although I don't think it fully solves the discussed concerns. Which concerns discussed doesn't it address? 1. Caching on the BTS side means that no one besides bugs.debian.org knows which bugs you are viewing. 2. The only

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:30:46AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Additionally, if you don't want to see them, you can append ;avatar=no. I'll also enable this to be set by default using cookies too. [But since the BTS doesn't use cookies at all currently, please don't hold your breath.] Don't

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-21 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
On 2013-03-20 19:17, Bart Martens wrote: Since you ask, I suggest to disable it now and enable it later only after opt-in. Maybe the do not track header could be honored. -- brother http://sis.bthstudent.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 18. März 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It's not tracking, it's showing an avatar. That's not quite the same thing. this is not tracking, those are facebook like

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Pascal Giard
Hi, On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Montag, 18. März 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It's not tracking, it's showing an avatar.

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/20/2013 11:54 PM, Pascal Giard wrote: I would have much preferred to have this disabled by default. I would have preferred the picture thing to be hosted without gravatar support (libravatar is hosted by a DD, and you can host your avatar yourself if you like to). In short: I don't see

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:46:00AM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Montag, 18. März 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It's not tracking, it's showing an avatar. That's not quite

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Pascal Giard
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: and thus I don't quite see the value added by the pictures. I do. I still don't. But I can live with it. Nobody forces anyone to upload a picture in libravatar. Nobody forces anyone to upload *only* real picture of

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Arno Töll
On 20.03.2013 19:15, Thomas Goirand wrote: To the contrary, I see them as possibly causing prejudice based on look Nobody forces anyone to upload a picture in libravatar. ... which assign[s] random color shit to [your] name [1]. You've got the choice to use an avatar, or someone assigns one

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-21 02:15:18 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: On 03/20/2013 11:54 PM, Pascal Giard wrote: I would have much preferred to have this disabled by default. I would have preferred the picture thing to be hosted without gravatar support (libravatar is hosted by a DD, and you can

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Michael Stapelberg
Hi Arno, Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes: ... which assign[s] random color shit to [your] name [1]. You've got the choice to use an avatar, or someone assigns one to you. FYI, this is not a technical necessity. If called correctly, gravatar (so probably libravatar, too) can return a specific

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 20. März 2013, Arno Töll wrote: ... which assign[s] random color shit to [your] name [1]. You've got the choice to use an avatar, or someone assigns one to you. that has been fixed. Either way, there is a thread on debian-project and maybe we could stick with one. I

libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-03-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Holger Levsen wrote: I too find this totally unacceptable default (to have this enabled by default with just the not even yet implemented option to opt-out). It has already been implemented. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/03/msg00302.html And I will be

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: The bigger concern is that this is a web bug, whether it wants to be or not. Whoever hosts any of the images being included knows the IP address and time of every visitor to a bug report. Only if you use a web browser that is obeying

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Christoph Biedl
Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 18-03-13 10:06, Christoph Biedl wrote: Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It's

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:06:26AM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298.

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:06:26AM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a

bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-15 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. The latest bug that I can find is 703078. The next one [1] fails and after that it says it can not be found. An error occurred. Error was: Bad bug log for Bug 703079. Unable

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-15 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Hi, Am 15.03.2013 20:14, schrieb Paul Gevers: Hi Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. I do not think that you are alone. The latest bug that I can find is 703078. The next one [1] fails and after that it says it can