On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Erik Andersen wrote:
> iThis is correct, but has the unfortunate side effect of not being portable,
> since not all /bin/sh happin to be bash.
No, it also works with ksh. I believe posix.2 specifies that /bin/sh has to
provide various features---basically to be a clone of k
On Jun 28, Carey Evans wrote
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik B. Andersen) writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> > For most math, expr works just fine. Of course, expr is limited
> > to integer math, but it works and is portable.
>
> Actually, for integer math, bash or ksh works quite well.
>
> bash$ a=41
> bash$ l
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Goerzen) wrote on 25.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> By the current definition of Important:
> * Sendmail should be there instead of smail since people expect
>sendmail
Nope. The sendmail interface should be there (fr example, /usr/lib/
sendmail), and it is provided
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik B. Andersen) writes:
[snip]
> For most math, expr works just fine. Of course, expr is limited
> to integer math, but it works and is portable.
Actually, for integer math, bash or ksh works quite well.
bash$ a=41
bash$ let a+=1
bash$ echo $a
42
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Who said anything about "working"?
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * gcc should be in Important because everybody expects a C compiler
>
> Maybe they expect it, but these days, they don't *get* one... none of
> solaris, hpux, irix ship with a [working] C compiler...
>
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In your email to me, Bill Mitchell, you wrote:
>
>
>
> On 25 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > By the current definition of Important:
> >[...]
> >sendmail
> > * dpkg-dev should not be there since no experienced user of another
> >Unix would expect it
> > * lilo should not be there
On 25 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote:
> By the current definition of Important:
>[...]
>sendmail
> * dpkg-dev should not be there since no experienced user of another
>Unix would expect it
> * lilo should not be there because lilo is not part of UNIX
I read it differently:
``Importan
On Wed, Jun 25 1997 8:35 PDT Bill Mitchell writes:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote:
> > Correlated note: It is not explicitely stated in the policy manual, but
> > IMO we should flag all utilities mentioned in the POSIX.2 standard as
> > 'Important' [...]
>
> IMHO, as long as t
>
> On Jun 23, John Goerzen wrote
> > It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a
> > system (when I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn about any
> > dependencies), yet they are in Important. Why?
>
> In addition to what everyone else has said about what "Important"
> Really
On Jun 27, Erik B. Andersen wrote
> For most math, expr works just fine. Of course, expr is limited
> to integer math, but it works and is portable.
Oops, you're right -- my biases are showing, sorry.
[I make it a practice to never use expr.]
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> "bare minimum" doesn't extend to a compilation environment.
> or to printing, IMO.
> > * netbase and netstd should both be there, they are standard
> >on Unix
It seems as though the implicit definition of "standard Unix system"
omits a declaration of intended usage.
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John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> By the current definition of Important:
> * Sendmail should be there instead of smail since people expect
>sendmail
People expect a mailer. Debian's default mailer is exim^H^H^H^Hsmail;
that's a deliberate decision to override the commonly expected
> * gcc should be in Important because everybody expects a C compiler
Maybe they expect it, but these days, they don't *get* one... none of
solaris, hpux, irix ship with a [working] C compiler...
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John Goerzen wrote:
>
> OK, then I suspect the policy is at fault. (BTW, I checked it out and
> I did find dc and bc on SunOS -- I had not known these programs were
> on other OSs.)
>
> By the current definition of Important:
[snip]
> * lilo should not be there because lilo is not part of UNIX
OK, then I suspect the policy is at fault. (BTW, I checked it out and
I did find dc and bc on SunOS -- I had not known these programs were
on other OSs.)
By the current definition of Important:
* Sendmail should be there instead of smail since people expect
sendmail
* dpkg-dev should not b
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote:
[...]
> > ``Important programs, including those which one would expect to find
> > on any Unix-like system. If the expectation is that an experienced
> > Unix person who found it missing would go `What the F*!@<+ is going
> > on, where is foo', it should be
On Tue, Jun 24 1997 15:52 BST James Troup writes:
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a
> > system (when I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn about any
> > dependencies), yet they are in Important. Why?
>
> Beca
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a
> system (when I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn about any
> dependencies), yet they are in Important. Why?
Because they match the first definition of Important in Policy (see
below).
It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a system (when
I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn about any dependencies), yet they are
in Important. Why?
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