Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031202 18:14]: > I'm not following your logic, if that's what you call it. You're saying > that checking the current filesystem on a daily basis is NOT a good way > to verify filesystem integrity? I say it won't give you an real advantage over checking the *.m

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:01:23PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > > A true IDS is needed, such as aide, tripwire, or cfengine to detect > > > post-installation intrusion. Tie in aide or tripwire database > > > checks/updates with the apt.conf "PostI

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-02 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:01:23PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > A true IDS is needed, such as aide, tripwire, or cfengine to detect > > post-installation intrusion. Tie in aide or tripwire database > > checks/updates with the apt.conf "PostInst" option in addition to a > > daily cronjon to e

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031201 22:28]: > md5sums and signatures are most useful in the context of installation. > Post-installation, you cannot be guaranteed that an intrusion rootkit > doesn't compromise the md5sum files themselves. Using the installed > *.md5sum files to check the in

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Moin Goswin! > Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Tuesday, den 02. December 2003: > > > > I would like to see the following things happen: > > > > > > - current md5sums file in control.tar.gz should contain > > >checksums of really all files > > > -

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Goswin! Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Tuesday, den 02. December 2003: > > I would like to see the following things happen: > > > > - current md5sums file in control.tar.gz should contain > >checksums of really all files > > - a signature of the md5sums file should be stored either in

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
christophe barbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:11:52PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > Before mass bug-filling, it would be necessary to make it mandatory > > > which unfortunately is not the case right now afaik. > > > > Severity: wishlist > > Where is the problem?

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > #include > John Goerzen schrieb am Monday, den 01. December 2003: > > > Debsigs generates its signature by effectively cating the control and > > data components of the ar file together, running that through gpg, and > > storing the resulting signature

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread christophe barbe
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:11:52PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Before mass bug-filling, it would be necessary to make it mandatory > > which unfortunately is not the case right now afaik. > > Severity: wishlist > Where is the problem? Waste of time ? If it's not mandatory, a full coverage wi

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:08:28PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Kinda off-topic but nowhere in the discussion the question of checking > already installed files was adressed and it should be asked: md5sums and signatures are most useful in the context of installation. Post-installation, you cannot

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* christophe barbe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031201 20:10]: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:43:17PM +0100, Michael Ablassmeier wrote: > > Unfortunately many Maintainers do not use "dh_md5sums" to ship > > an .md5sums File in their Package(s). This makes it harder to > > check the already installed Files on

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003, christophe barbe wrote: > Before mass bug-filling, it would be necessary to make it mandatory > which unfortunately is not the case right now afaik. Deployment plan for md5sums everywhere: 1. List packages that do not have a md5sum included. For every package in the list:

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 01:56:09PM -0500, christophe barbe wrote: > Before mass bug-filling, it would be necessary to make it mandatory > which unfortunately is not the case right now afaik. No, it is not mandatory. However, it would be a nice Wishli

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread christophe barbe
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:43:17PM +0100, Michael Ablassmeier wrote: > Unfortunately many Maintainers do not use "dh_md5sums" to ship > an .md5sums File in their Package(s). This makes it harder to > check the already installed Files on a Debian installation. > > I think, at least Packages like "d

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi Eduard, On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:08:28PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > - current md5sums file in control.tar.gz should contain >checksums of really all files Unfortunately many Maintainers do not use "dh_md5sums" to ship an .md5sums File in

debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-01 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include John Goerzen schrieb am Monday, den 01. December 2003: > Debsigs generates its signature by effectively cating the control and > data components of the ar file together, running that through gpg, and > storing the resulting signature data in a new component of the ar file. > I did test t