Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Zimmerman | So, out of 273 doc-containing packages on this system, just 70 bothered. | I feel a strong urge to put the commands in a script that will auto-file | a bug against any package in the output of the last command. How do | maintainers feel about that? I've never understood the

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 18:08 +, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes: But again, as Thomas points out, you can address this use case with much less per-package effort. A centralized ten-line shell script would be enough to locate all the installed packages

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-10 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes: But again, as Thomas points out, you can address this use case with much less per-package effort. A centralized ten-line shell script would be enough to locate all the installed packages on the system that ship files under /usr/share/doc not

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-10 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 06:08:50PM +, Ian Zimmerman wrote: PDFs have titles too, and they can't be snarfed in any way I know of. pdftk will dump the info dictionary for PDFs, but if you want something a little less heavyweight, try: lakeview ok % zgrep -a '^/Title'

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 02:08:28PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: OK, so would a debhelper patch implementing this be accepted? Hardly so, as long as the patch is theoretical and discussed on -devel, where not necessarily will get the attention of debhelper maintainer. I suggest following the

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 10:56:23AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: After years and years of waiting for packages to register their documents with doc-base, and filing individual bugs with some (not all -- I am not jidani, LOL) of those that didn't register, I am quite frustrated:

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Sunday 08 August 2010, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Jeremy Have it generate the list of packages that don't Jeremy register with doc-base... If any of them are mine I'll get Jeremy them added though I don't know if the updates would make Jeremy it into squeeze at this point but at least into

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 10:49:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 10:56:23AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: After years and years of waiting for packages to register their documents with doc-base, and filing individual bugs with some (not all -- I am not jidani,

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du dimanche 08 août 2010, vers 16:32, Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org disait : So, out of 273 doc-containing packages on this system, just 70 bothered. I feel a strong urge to put the commands in a script that will auto-file a bug against any package in the

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Ian Zimmerman said: adduser False positive. st...@varinia:~$ dpkg -L adduser | grep -i htm /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/skel.other/index.html I'd suggest getting rid of things under examples/ Cheers, --

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Steve Langasek: Steve non-desktop systems, I don't think we install a doc-base browser Steve by default, and I have never seen a text-mode browser for Steve doc-base documentation that I found worth using because browsing Steve to /usr/share/doc/$package is always quicker. Unless you find a

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
Ian Zimmerman wrote: After years and years of waiting for packages to register their documents with doc-base, and filing individual bugs with some (not all -- I am not jidani, LOL) of those that didn't register, I am quite frustrated. Maybe if things were more automated and less painful,

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org writes: If there is already a lintian check for this (as Vincent Bernat writes a bit down the thread), does that mean the warning gets ignored or overridden in all these cases? windlord:~ lintian-info -t possible-documentation-but-no-doc-base-registration N:

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Russ possible/wishlist means that it's an info-level tag. Lintian Russ doesn't display info-level tags by default, intentionally, to Russ encourage more people to use it who don't want to see things that Russ aren't required. Russ I think wishlist is the correct severity for this. For the

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/08/2010 10:53 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Russ possible/wishlist means that it's an info-level tag. Lintian Russ doesn't display info-level tags by default, intentionally, to Russ encourage more people to use it who don't want to see things that Russ aren't required. Russ I think

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Thomas Goirand: Thomas But as it stands, each time I run lintian with the -Ii flags, Thomas and that it complains about the lack of doc-base registration, I Thomas feel like it should have been more easy to deal with. I try to Thomas be a good Debian citizen, so I still do it. But if we had only

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 11:37:07AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Steve non-desktop systems, I don't think we install a doc-base browser Steve by default, and I have never seen a text-mode browser for Steve doc-base documentation that I found worth using because browsing Steve to

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Stefan Fritsch: Stefan This version produces false positives. I suspect it's because Stefan you look at all file names and not just those under Stefan /usr/share/doc Stefan apache2.2-common Stefan This does not contain any docs (but it contains html files). The Stefan docs are in apache2-doc

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Stephen Gran: Stephen adduser Stephen False positive. Stephen st...@varinia:~$ dpkg -L adduser | grep -i htm Stephen /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/skel.other/index.html Stephen I'd suggest getting rid of things under examples/ Ok, have_doc() { local

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org writes: This reduces the list by 10, to 126. (There are more false positives as noted in the sibling subthread, but currently I don't know what to do about those). To reduce the spamminess, the latest output is here: http://primate.net/~itz/docpkg.txt

doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-07 Thread Ian Zimmerman
After years and years of waiting for packages to register their documents with doc-base, and filing individual bugs with some (not all -- I am not jidani, LOL) of those that didn't register, I am quite frustrated: [41]matica:doc$ pwd /usr/share/doc [42]matica:doc$ find -L . -name *.html -o

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-07 Thread Julien BLACHE
Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org wrote: Hi, How do maintainers feel about that? Right now, frozen, I guess ;) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org wrote: So, out of 273 doc-containing packages on this system, just 70 bothered. I feel a strong urge to put the commands in a script that will auto-file a bug against any package in the output of the last command.  How do maintainers

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-07 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Paul Wise: Paul I personally stopped bothering with doc-base because I can't send Paul those files upstream and have other distributions also benefit Paul from them. IMO we should replace (like menu, defoma, etc) doc-base Paul with a freedesktop.org standard for documentation registration. Paul

Re: doc-base is hugely unloved; bug mass-filing needed?

2010-08-07 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Jeremy Have it generate the list of packages that don't Jeremy register with doc-base... If any of them are mine I'll get them Jeremy added though I don't know if the updates would make it into Jeremy squeeze at this point but at least into squeeze+1. So I did. I took a slightly