On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:53:11PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
So, why can't this be done without an exim4-config package in Debian, with
something like the following arrangement:
exim4-daemon
provides/conflicts: mail-transport-agent
postinst:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:05:24 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:34:45AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Seriously, I think you need to reconsider having the configuration in
a separate package.
What're you trying to achieve exactly?
Allowing for
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:46:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends:
* Tollef Fog Heen
It also makes it possible for packages such as clamav, spamassassin
and mailman to seamlessly drop in support in a fairly clean way.
Which (possibly) makes the configuration break in a whole new way, if
you decide to actually change the logic of stuff inside conf.d/.
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:09:04AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
For example, the place I work has a package exim4-config-ilkserver
based on exim4-config-medium. That package installs without debconf
questions and contains a configuration that is suitable to our
non-main servers. It, for example,
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 03:29:31 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
So, why can't this be done without an exim4-config package in Debian, with
something like the following arrangement:
exim4-daemon
provides/conflicts: mail-transport-agent
postinst:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:22:07 +0100, Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
* Marc Haber
Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted. Could you
please point me to this
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [031206 08:10]:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:46:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
earlier. exim4-daemon
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:46:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends: exim4-config; exim4-config Depends:
exim4-base,
* Tore Anderson
| * Marc Haber
|
| The way -config does the configuration is something that is questioned
| by a lot of people. Most conservative eximists hate the configuration
| being split out in several files,
|
| Absolutely, this is a slight convenience for the packagers which
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:34:45AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Seriously, I think you need to reconsider having the configuration in
a separate package.
What're you trying to achieve exactly?
Allowing for different configuration mechanismn. And I (as a user of
exim4) like that very much.
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Marc Haber
The source package holds infrastructure for three possibilities:
- A script is included that splits out -config source from the source
package, allowing the debconf stuff to be modified independently
- A script is included that
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Marc Haber
Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted. Could you
please point me to this section of our policy? I certainly
* Tore Anderson
* Andreas Metzler
Would you and Andreas seriously consider modifying the Exim packages
to the layout I suggested in my former post? If so, I would be happy
to spend some time developing a patch for this purpose.
Apologies for this misattribution, I was of
* Andreas Metzler
Would you and Andreas seriously consider modifying the Exim packages
to the layout I suggested in my former post? If so, I would be happy
to spend some time developing a patch for this purpose.
* Andreas Metzler
No, I am sorry (and thanks for the offer). You
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends: exim4-config; exim4-config Depends:
exim4-base, probably.
Unfortunately, that doesn't work. apt immediately
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:24:28 +0100, Marc Haber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Maybe an easy way of answering that is to instead answer this: why can't
you just make the -config package a bunch of files and a script that
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:37:06PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
the other
is to ensure that exim4-base (and config) is configured first, which
can be done by having them not have a postinst script. That mightn't be
good enough.
Both -base and -config have non-trivial postinst scripts.
The -base
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:29:22 +0100, Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Marc Haber
The way -config does the configuration is something that is questioned
by a lot of people. Most conservative eximists hate the configuration
being split out in several files,
Absolutely, this is a slight
* Marc Haber
Well, I am only paid to work on the exim4 package if my employer gets
to use the package as well. Since we don't want debconf questions to
pop up during installation and we found the pre-fabricated -config too
inflexible for our needs, -config needs to be split out.
So I
* Tore Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031203 23:55]:
* Marc Haber
The way -config does the configuration is something that is questioned
by a lot of people. Most conservative eximists hate the configuration
being split out in several files,
Absolutely, this is a slight convenience
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:20:16 +0100, Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Marc Haber
Well, I am only paid to work on the exim4 package if my employer gets
to use the package as well. Since we don't want debconf questions to
pop up during installation and we found the pre-fabricated
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Maybe an easy way of answering that is to instead answer this: why can't
you just make the -config package a bunch of files and a script that
doesn't get executed until the daemon package is installed?
That's a nice
* Marc Haber
Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted. Could you
please point me to this section of our policy? I certainly cannot
find it.
* Tore Anderson
Tore Anderson wrote:
Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted.
debconf support is a requirement if you want to be supported
(reconfigured) by base-config, which is
* Marc Haber
Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
* Tore Anderson
Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted.
* Joey Hess
debconf support is a requirement if you want to be supported
Hi,
as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with
dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base,
exim4-config and exim4-daemon-light are Priority: important, while
exim4-daemon-light provides mail-transport-agent. The exact package
dependencies can be
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:41:00PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with
dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base,
exim4-config and exim4-daemon-light are Priority: important, while
exim4-daemon-light provides
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:15:30AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:41:00PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with
dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base,
exim4-config and
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:21:55 +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
I'm going to ignore the -config package, since it's not really part of
the problem.
Is it?
Okay, so you want to say:
* any exim4-daemon package should only be installed when exim4-base
is already
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:49:20PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
exim4 is a metapackage that depends on the other three and is not hit by
the problem. The rest is a straighforward chain.
daemon -base -config.
other possible dependencies would be:
daemon -config -base
* Marc Haber
The way -config does the configuration is something that is questioned
by a lot of people. Most conservative eximists hate the configuration
being split out in several files,
Absolutely, this is a slight convenience for the packagers which causes
a major inconvenience to
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