Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raul It's that things which people haven't invented yet concept which Raul has had me objecting to this concept of policy must be Raul followed. If you look at policy as a set of *goals* rather Raul than a set of *rules* I think you'll have

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-05-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, James == James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Are you being nasty to me because I FUBARed kernel-package or James what? ;-) manoj -- We are on a threshold of a change in the universe comparable to the transition from nonlife to life. Hans Moravec (on artificial

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-05-01 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Manoj Srivastava wrote:' Well, I think if one is not constrained to follow policy, nor required to do so, I see no reason to actually follow policy. Why is it so bad to require policy to be followed? How would you enforce it? Why require something which your police force cannot

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-05-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Chris == Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris 'Manoj Srivastava wrote:' Well, I think if one is not constrained to follow policy, nor required to do so, I see no reason to actually follow policy. Why is it so bad to require policy to be followed? Chris How would you enforce it?

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-05-01 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish you would talk to Raul directly. He points out that violations of policy shall be enforced thus: a) since policy is supposed to be authoritative for bug filers, and policy violation can be flagged as a bug. b) any disputes about

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-30 Thread Philip Hands
On 29 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more Dale

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Philip == Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Philip 2) this is going way off topic, and has been quite tedious for Philip some time. OK. I give. And, on the principle that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I now agree with Jame Troup and Dale Scheetz and formally declare that

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I give. And, on the principle that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I now agree with Jame Troup and Dale Scheetz and formally declare that Policy does not govern may packages from this point on, and shall close any policy related Bugs

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-30 Thread James Troup
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. I give. And, on the principle that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I now agree with Jame Troup and Dale Scheetz and formally declare that Policy does not govern may packages from this point on, and shall close any policy related Bugs ASAP. Are

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 28 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I prefer the codification of rules that have to be followed and putting them out in the open, rather than continuing to depend on the judgement of a few good people in perpetuity. Some have called my view fascist. Codification of

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more Dale important than the people participating, that

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 29 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more Dale

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Guy == Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guy Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see how this conflicts with the proposed constitution. Please give me more info on that. Guy The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy authority with regard to their own

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Guy == Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guy The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy authority with regard to their own work. Your version says that Guy the maintainers must follow policy. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that such a bad thing, really? I

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raul Guy == Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guy The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy authority with regard to their own work. Your version says that Guy the maintainers must follow policy. Raul Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do have a tendency to jump to untenable positions. Who said that we shall remove all packages with bugs or all packages that fail to follow policy? You made an ambiguous statement. You made a statement about how policy should have more

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread G John Lapeyre
On 28 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Is that such a bad thing, really? I would rather that the policy documents be corrected, and held as a set of rules htat have to be followed, woth an exception for the items that happen to Debian is great and everything, but it

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raul Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do have a tendency to jump to untenable positions. Who said that we shall remove all packages with bugs or all packages that fail to follow policy? Raul You made an ambiguous statement. You

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-22 Thread Jim
Apologies are due for my not trimming the crossposting before; I meant to, but I forgot to. As I understand things, there should be no crossposting amongst the debian mailing lists. If I make further comment, therefore, I will be careful to trim the mail distribution to one of them only, and

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 21 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi. Philip Does that satisfy both sides ? This satisfies me. Indeed, this has been my position all the while, but evidently the joys of the fray and the intellectual stimulation offered by the flow of reason has been a feast for my soul,

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, What is this policy group you are talking about? AFAIK, there is no such beast; there is just an public, open mailing list, which is more and less than a formal Policy group. The mailing list was formed to reduce clutter on the devel list, which is rapidly becoming a