Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/22/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Olaf van der Spek] I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and load on central servers? Please

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure how exactly the current mirrors work, but syncing (primary) mirrors between eachother instead of all from a master may be an idea. Mirrors are stacked in a tree (and even

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting another mirror if and only if the primary fails? For package downloads apt will try the sources in the order listed in sources.list, only trying subsequent

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting another mirror if and only if the primary fails? For package downloads apt will try the sources in the

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10332 March 1977, sean finney wrote: I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but... why wasn't this brought up *before* it was brought to an end?

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:05:25PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: It was sent right after the hosting died. Should he sent The hosting may die somewhere in the future, please offer something just in case we need it? well, i guess i don't know the details of the situation, but i would hope that

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/26/05, Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10332 March 1977, sean finney wrote: I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but... why

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:14:44PM -0400, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:05:25PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: It was sent right after the hosting died. Should he sent The hosting may die somewhere in the future, please offer something just in case we need it? well, i guess

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-25 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:25:12AM +0100, James Troup wrote: I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but... why wasn't this brought up *before* it

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 07:22:29PM -0400, sean finney wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:25:12AM +0100, James Troup wrote: I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical sorry to be a stick in the mud

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-23 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 20.02, Olaf van der Spek wrote: [debian infrastructure] I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and load on central servers? You said it yourself: in the long term. I think

ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread James Troup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical Debian machines for over 6 years now in what's been one of the best and hassle-free donated hostings we've

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you think you could offer hosting under these conditions, please send details to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's already been considered and rejected). We could perhaps take advantage of the

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying for critical parts of infrastructure like ftpmaster be

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying for

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations and

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Thijs Kinkhorst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I think the point is that we ask for a donation before we spend money on it. Sure, but the statement quoted above rules it out entirely. can't pay is pretty definitive. I'm wondering why

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 22/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying for critical

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jonas Meurer] paying for any parts of infrastructure would delete the independance from donations. debian was never depending on any donations, for good reasons. if we change this, the next step will be that some monstrous companies offer deals to us: We give you money, you give us XYZ

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:43:53AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Joey Hess
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's already been considered and rejected). We could perhaps take advantage of the California Community Colocation Project, which offers free colocation for non-profits and individuals. Unfortunatly

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/22/05, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you think you could offer hosting under these conditions, please send details to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's already been

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Olaf van der Spek] I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and load on central servers? Please give some specific examples of what you mean. Debian services are already distributed across a wide

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/22/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Olaf van der Spek] I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and load on central servers? Please give some specific examples of what you mean.

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unfortunatly the CCCP is currently maxed out on power in its existing racks, so is not taking new clients, unless one moves. Is this true for its sister sites too? The web page says they have sites in Seattle, Chicago, Toronto, and Washington. Thomas --

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Frost wrote: :: Based on the requirements it seems unlikely Debian :: would be able to afford to pay for hosting very :: long with our current donation income amounts. :: Gigabit network connections and associated rack space :: is cheaper than