Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:25:48PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/10/2012 09:44 PM, Osamu Aoki wrote: Why make things more complicated. What is the rationale to pick i686 over others now. Why change to x86-64 which is AMD origin. If slashed to listing are list of vender released names, it should be (AMD64/Intel 64). We picked one archive identifier at

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 09/10/2012 09:44 PM, Osamu Aoki wrote: Why make things more complicated. What is the rationale to pick i686 over others now. Why change to x86-64 which is AMD origin. If slashed to listing are list of vender released names, it should be

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: If 64-bit PC is too vague, the alternative designator for the amd64 arch is the vendor neutral x86-64.

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: If 64-bit PC is too vague, the alternative designator for the

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-09 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 9 September 2012 16:49, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: But I object to 32-bit PC and 64-bit PC. i686, amd64, x86-32, x86-64... at least those are correct. But none of them are widely understood. But they are

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 23:06 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On 9 September 2012 16:49, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: But I object to 32-bit PC and 64-bit PC. i686, amd64, x86-32, x86-64... at least

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-09 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 11:06:17PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: 32-bit PC and 64-bit PC mean nothing, I think a lot more people know which of those they have. Do they, I wonder? Anyway, while it seems a nice idea to try and No, they do not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-08 Thread Russell Coker
On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: If 64-bit PC is too vague, the alternative designator for the amd64 arch is the vendor neutral x86-64. The vendor-neutral designator for all of i386, i486, i586, i686, amd64 and x32 is x86 (i.e. it is for both 32-bit and

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012, Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: If 64-bit PC is too vague, the alternative designator for the amd64 arch is the vendor neutral x86-64. The vendor-neutral designator for all of i386, i486, i586, i686, amd64 and

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-07 Thread Francesca Ciceri
Hi Ben, On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:17:52PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: I've previously requested that various user-facing references to 'i386' and 'amd64' should be changed to the hopefully more understandable '32-bit PC' and '64-bit PC', with some success. Please could the publicity team

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012, Francesca Ciceri wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:17:52PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: I've previously requested that various user-facing references to 'i386' and 'amd64' should be changed to the hopefully more understandable '32-bit PC' and '64-bit PC', with some

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/06/2012 05:37 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote: Am 05.09.2012 23:24, schrieb martin f krafft: I said fglrx — because its binary-only version caused regular crashes and headaches for Linux users. Which is ATM more useful as nvidia prop. ones. And AMD (not the ATI in the past) is in

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 06 septembre 2012 à 16:00 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : Would you then advise for an AMD card over Nvidia? Is it better supported, and integrate with the standard desktop screen switcher(s), like xrandr and friends? Yes AMD is better supported, but for some models the performance

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-06 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 06.09.2012 10:10, schrieb Josselin Mouette: Le jeudi 06 septembre 2012 à 16:00 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : Would you then advise for an AMD card over Nvidia? Is it better supported, and integrate with the standard desktop screen switcher(s), like xrandr and friends? Yes AMD is better

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-06 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05.09.2012 19:36, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the

greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread W. Anderson
It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years been decidedly ambivalent and generally uncooperative towards the

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:36:36PM -0400, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach W. Anderson kimalc...@nac.net [2012.09.05.1836 +0200]: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, The statement was not about AMD

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 05.09.2012 18:36, schrieb W. Anderson: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years been decidedly

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Ben Armstrong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2012 02:10 PM, martin f krafft wrote: Nothing we can do about it now. The news posting at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/17/#amd64 could be edited to change the first reference to amd64 in the text to link to

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM, W. Anderson kimalc...@nac.net wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:04:00PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:36:36PM -0400, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org [2012.09.05.1902 +0200]: amd64 is the name of the x64 CPU architecture and also with my fglrx hat on I think you do not know about what you are speaking (just have got a look at radeon).. Radeon being owned by AMD and fglrx not having the best

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 20:57 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org [2012.09.05.1902 +0200]: amd64 is the name of the x64 CPU architecture and also with my fglrx hat on I think you do not know about what you are speaking (just have got a look at

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 05.09.2012 20:57, schrieb martin f krafft: also sprach Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org [2012.09.05.1902 +0200]: amd64 is the name of the x64 CPU architecture and also with my fglrx hat on I think you do not know about what you are speaking (just have got a look at radeon).. Radeon

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org [2012.09.05.2231 +0200]: AMD also supports Debian (just now with an special point release for Wheezy). I do not think that AMD (not the past ATI) is evil and such foo should stop here. Good thing I asked… And why hasn't got radeon a good

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 05.09.2012 23:24, schrieb martin f krafft: I said fglrx — because its binary-only version caused regular crashes and headaches for Linux users. Which is ATM more useful as nvidia prop. ones. And AMD (not the ATI in the past) is in general interested (and already legaly checked) in opening

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Lynn
On 05/09/12 18:10, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years been decidedly