Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-10 Thread Gergely Nagy
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:22 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Gergely, On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:56:10AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Just to chime in, not saying that maintaining a consistent state between architectures is an easy thing and presents no problems, but Debian is the only

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Andreas Barth
* Clint Byrum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050307 18:15]: Please understand.. I want Debian to be great. I want it to release when it is ready. Under the current system, being ready means achieving an enormous number of goals that benefit a very small number of users. For sarge, the number of

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Clint Byrum
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 15:01 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Clint Byrum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050307 18:15]: Please understand.. I want Debian to be great. I want it to release when it is ready. Under the current system, being ready means achieving an enormous number of goals that benefit a

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Clint Byrum
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 20:33 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:13:20AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: I feel your pain. Its hard to keep all these buildd's for different architectures up. That goes to the very heart of my point. I'm not saying Debian should totally

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di, 08-03-2005 te 10:33 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) This argument has been brought up so many times by now that I'm amazed people /still/ try it. The answer is, simply, 'not'. Go learn to use

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:22:33PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 08-03-2005 te 10:33 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) This argument has been brought up so many times by now that I'm amazed

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Clint Byrum
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 22:22 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 08-03-2005 te 10:33 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) This argument has been brought up so many times by now that I'm amazed people

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Joey Hess
Wouter Verhelst wrote: This argument has been brought up so many times by now that I'm amazed people /still/ try it. The answer is, simply, 'not'. Go learn to use google if you want to know why. You're ignoring people arguing the other side of the issue. For example, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], I

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:33:05AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) and said these are not going to release with the rest of sarge? Would it reduce the time to test the installer? Any RC bugs that were

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Gergely Nagy
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 14:36 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 22:22 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 08-03-2005 te 10:33 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) This argument has

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Gergely, On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:56:10AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Just to chime in, not saying that maintaining a consistent state between architectures is an easy thing and presents no problems, but Debian is the only distribution that supports all these many architectures. This has

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di, 08-03-2005 te 14:36 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 22:22 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 08-03-2005 te 10:33 -0800, schreef Clint Byrum: How much would it help with the current problems if we just picked 3 arches(mipsel, s390, ???) This argument has

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di, 08-03-2005 te 17:58 -0500, schreef Joey Hess: Wouter Verhelst wrote: This argument has been brought up so many times by now that I'm amazed people /still/ try it. The answer is, simply, 'not'. Go learn to use google if you want to know why. You're ignoring people arguing the

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-08 Thread Joey Hess
Wouter Verhelst wrote: I very well remember that mail. The key word in Clint's mail that prompted my reply was 'current' (problems). d-i has been ported to all our architectures now, which required a lot of work, and doing a d-i release still requires quite some work to synchronise that among

mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 07:20:42PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: If the build fails on sparc, arm, and s390, how should this be indicative that we should drop s390, mipsel, and hppa? mipsel is a little wrong in this list. We had some hardware problems on the 2 mipsel buildds (Same Machine,

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-07 Thread Clint Byrum
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 16:35 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 07:20:42PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: If the build fails on sparc, arm, and s390, how should this be indicative that we should drop s390, mipsel, and hppa? Wow what a flurry of discussion that message

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-07 Thread Frank Küster
Clint Byrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 16:35 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 07:20:42PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: If the build fails on sparc, arm, and s390, how should this be indicative that we should drop s390, mipsel, and hppa? Wow

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mipsel is a little wrong in this list. We had some hardware problems on the 2 mipsel buildds (Same Machine, Same Manuf. Date, Same time PSU defect) and it took a while to get at least one up. The short-after death of one of the machines went past me

Re: mipsel drop / buildd situation Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space]

2005-03-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:13:20AM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: I feel your pain. Its hard to keep all these buildd's for different architectures up. That goes to the very heart of my point. I'm not saying Debian should totally abandon all the work done by the various architecture teams. But to