Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-15 Thread Ted Dunning
If anybody is trying to get assistance from the upstream community, using fewer idiosyncratic acronyms might help. And regardless of whether it ever built on MIPS, it clearly should not have given that there isn't a 1.6 Java there. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-15 Thread Ted Dunning
I have to say that I am quickly losing any interest in working on this as well. The acronym wall and general surliness of the various posters makes contributing to debian much less inviting than it might be. I, too, am a volunteer and have little time for attitude. Much better for me to go

Re: more about Zookeeper [and 1 more messages]

2011-06-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ted Dunning writes (Re: more about Zookeeper): If anybody is trying to get assistance from the upstream community, using fewer idiosyncratic acronyms might help. Sorry about that. This list is normally used for communications internal to Debian, and perhaps some of the participants

Re: more about Zookeeper [and 1 more messages]

2011-06-15 Thread Ted Dunning
That all sounds very reasonable. I have raised the issue with the upstream Zookeeper community to see if there is a demand for Zookeeper to be in Debian. Obviously, if there isn't any demand, then the process of recruiting a new Debian maintainer for ZK isn't worth the effort. I will keep you

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-14 Thread Thomas Koch
Hi Ted, thank you a lot for your email! I really mean that. It would be wonderful to get more communication going between Apache and Debian. I've learned that these two large and important free software projects are nevertheless different in many ways. I also appreciate very much the nice

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Neil Williams | Irrespective of disagreements with the current maintainer, zookeeper is | not good enough for Debian stable simply because it has a separate | release-critical bug. #626020 - FTBFS on mips. There is no argument | about this - failing to build from source on a supported

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-14 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no, 2011-06-14, 17:14: Seems like it's never built on mips, $ rmadison -S zookeeper -a mips -s unstable libzookeeper-dev | 3.3.1+dfsg1-2 | sid | mips libzookeeper2| 3.3.1+dfsg1-2 | sid | mips python-zookeeper | 3.3.1+dfsg1-2 | sid | mips zookeeper-bin

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-13 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:07:30 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Ted Dunning wrote: Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com writes: There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch.  He has a bad opinion of Zookeeper and

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 iun 11, 21:44:37, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: #602694 needs to stay open and blocking zookeeper from Squeeze until it has a maintainer team that is confident they will be able to handle the stable support and also confident that the package is good enough (actually that it

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 12 iun 11, 21:44:37, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: #602694 needs to stay open and blocking zookeeper from Squeeze until it has a maintainer team that is confident they will be able to handle the stable support and also confident that

more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch. He has a bad opinion of Zookeeper and things it is not good enough for Debian. I would like to provide a countervailing view. Thomas and I get along very well in person, but there are definitely somethings that we do

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi, this sounds interesting, where can I find packages to test? mike On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Zookeeper -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
Debian packages? Or the original code itself? On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, this sounds interesting, where can I find packages to test? mike On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Zookeeper

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
Perhaps this is what you need: http://packages.debian.org/sid/zookeeper On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Debian packages? Or the original code itself? On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, this

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Mike Dupont
Thanks, I would like to try it out. I am currently experimenting with kestrel for creating a distributed openstreetmap rendering system. http://osmopenlayers.blogspot.com/2011/06/get-started-with-renderbot-net.html I have looked at hadoop before, but I dont know if it will be good for a p2p

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:07:46 +0200 Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch. For the benefit of the list, I suspect this is #602694 which is at least partly a personal thing for the current Debian maintainer. Debian,

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
Zookeeper is independent of hadoop except by heritage. Hadoop should be excellent as a rendering system for maps. Map-reduce is used extensively by Google for similar operations. The basic idea is that you scan across all objects emitting a copy of the object tagged with the tiles that object

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
I just looked at this bug and it looks like a configuration error in the environment rather than a bug in Zookeeper per se. In particular, Java = 1.6 is an explicit requirement of the Zookeeper package while the error being emitted is highly characteristic of an attempt to compile 1.6 compatible

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
retitle 626020 zookeeper: incorrect dependency information thanks On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Ted Dunning wrote: I just looked at this bug and it looks like a configuration error in the environment rather than a bug in Zookeeper per se. In particular, Java = 1.6 is an explicit requirement of the

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:49:51 +0200 Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: I just looked at this bug and it looks like a configuration error in the environment rather than a bug in Zookeeper per se. Subsequent comments by Henrique show that this is not the case. I don't care about the

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, it is a bit strong language to blame code quality for a build system configuration error. Quality code should detect that the build configuration is wrong before the build itself actually

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ CC'ed Thomas in case he is not subscribed to d-d ] Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com writes: There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch. He has a bad opinion of Zookeeper and things it is not good enough for Debian. Could you please provide a

Re: Bug#626020: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
Yes. This looks more like bad packaging than either bad environment or code. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: retitle 626020 zookeeper: incorrect dependency information thanks On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Ted Dunning wrote: I just looked at this

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: [ CC'ed Thomas in case he is not subscribed to d-d ] Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com writes: There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch.  He has a bad opinion of Zookeeper and things

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: The interested party might also not know how packages are maintained in Debian. And I don't think it is helpful to threaten upstream with removal of his software from Debian, certainly not in the first answer. Please be a bit less aggressive. Eh,

Re: more about Zookeeper

2011-06-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Ted Dunning wrote: Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com writes: There has been a bit of talk about Apache Zookeeper recently by Thomas Koch.  He has a bad opinion of Zookeeper and things it is not good enough for Debian. Could you please provide a reference? How