[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brederlow) wrote on 07.05.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:19:42PM +1000, John Boggon wrote:
Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No problem here. As I said I *DID* find the answers and got my debian
installation to talk to my
ethernet card after making use of available documentation. But it was not
Debian specfic documentation that
was most helpfull, but rather general linux networking and
Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:19:42PM +1000, John Boggon wrote:
Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just
because the current one isn't newbie friendly or easy to install ?
There isn't
Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No problem here. As I said I *DID* find the answers and got my debian
installation to talk to my
ethernet card after making use of available documentation. But it was not
Debian specfic documentation that
was most
From: Anthony Fok [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know you have the best intentions, but to be honest with you,
I felt somewhat betrayed and abandoned when I first read your
announcement.
I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I think that the conflict attendant
upon my (entirely theoretical) return to Debian
Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just because
the
current one isn't newbie friendly or easy to install ?
Why not concentrate on an installation system or front end for dpkg / APT
along with a
system management GUI package that can help an inexperienced sysadmin or
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
From: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ Focus on the user issue ]
This is the case for a lot of debian developers, not for all of them,
I have to admit.
I think it's too large a number for me to go against.
Vocal Minority;
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:19:42PM +1000, John Boggon wrote:
Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just
because the current one isn't newbie friendly or easy to install ?
There isn't really.
Why not concentrate on an installation system or front end for dpkg / APT
Dear Debian Folks,
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions.
I've posted my first message on this topic to debian-devel, as I think
a lot of you
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions.
I've posted my first message on this topic to debian-devel
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 08:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions.
Certainly no distribution can meet
From: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(1) we probably don't want to talk about this in much depth on the
debian lists, since you've explicitly stated that it's not debian.
Please announce an alternative venue as soon as you can.
Right. It's not my intent to abuse the Debian lists. I'll try to
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Bruce Perens wrote:
9. A Random List of Other Goals.
RPM as the package system - possibly with an APT port later on
(is that what it's called now?). It's necessary to get the other
distributions in on the project. We'd have to add a few missing
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 05:10:54AM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 08:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian
:
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions.
1. Focus on the User
Who is the real user? An experienced hacker or a person who has
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 08:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
Dear Debian Folks,
I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux
distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are
not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions.
I really don't
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My personal feeling is that every man hour that Debian loses to this
effort is one man hour too many.
Er.. Debian is not that kind of effort.
Personally, I think every hour of flamage we lose will be paid back
in an order of magnitude of better
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1 - They don't actually have package dependencies. They have
dependencies on files - big difference.
Perhaps this could be synthesized from a complete list of all
files provided by rpm, and a limited scope which prohibits
presenting competing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) wrote on 29.04.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
1. Focus on the User
I'd like to have developers who program because they like to see
their work in the hands of users, especially _naive_ users.
Well, I must say that while users are nice, naive users ...
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 08:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
5. Open Development.
I am proposing development visible to all, but not a free-for-all.
A core group of limited size to maintain the base system and oversee
the rest probably _is_ necessary. I am not planning to
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 02:33:54AM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote:
[..]
Bruce could have followed the great Freeware tradition of building
concensus by putting togethor a team of Debianites dedicated to
creating a newbie-friendly wrapper for the technically excellent
Debian distribution.
[..]
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Bruce Perens wrote:
As I see it there are two major problems that preclude using APT with RPM
as it stands,
1 - They don't actually have package dependencies. They have
dependencies on files - big difference.
2 - They
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2 - They seem to lack a well formed index file, I couldn't find any
rpm index on their ftp site.
Presumably, this could also be addressed by work. [Since it's not
specific to the rpm format, but the rpm site.]
There is an index file in the
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:06:00AM -0400, Steve Dunham wrote:
It might be smart to fork rpm (call it something else) and re-do the
header fields to be more sensible, then use APT to provide understanding
This would be bad. Especially since RPM is a cross platform standard:
people are
Hi!
What I read from Bruce here recalls a discussion on linux-kernel where
Linus made the following statement:
Ooh, mommy, mommy, what I have now doesn't work in this extremely
unlikely circumstance, so I'll just throw it away and write
something jcompletely new.
-- Linus
Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 02:33:54AM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote:
[..]
Bruce could have followed the great Freeware tradition of building
concensus by putting togethor a team of Debianites dedicated to
creating a newbie-friendly wrapper for the technically
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes:
1. Focus on the User
I'd like to have developers who program because they like to see
their work in the hands of users, especially _naive_ users.
You are searching developers who will put significiant time into
making parts of Debian (or
If someone has the desire to install an operating system on a computer
that is created,
supported, and distributed by volunteers they should expect to have to do
some amount of
reading to configure the system to their liking. When someone does the
install and
then proceeds to cry because the
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
I dunno...I think ee and ae are both pretty damned easy and mindless :)(ae is
sooo mindless I have noticed it is putting CR in my text documents)
As it turns out the DOS CR is coming from slang and is being worked on.
Ae's .rc files are currently
BTW: What is the current state of Dominik's project (FreeLinux (?)).
No messages regarding its progress or lack thereof for the past year.
Real developers tend to disklike marketing.
Don't tell that to my colleauges at Pixar. Or most other commercial firms.
As far as I can tell they only
neighbor, but you can't ping your
neighborÂ’s node.
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Subject: Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution
If someone has the desire
Ean Schuessler wrote:
[..]
Bruce could have followed the great Freeware tradition of building
concensus by putting togethor a team of Debianites dedicated to
creating a newbie-friendly wrapper for the technically excellent
Debian distribution.
[..]
Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
If there are a
From: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I read from Bruce here recalls a discussion on linux-kernel where
Linus made the following statement:
Ooh, mommy, mommy, what I have now doesn't work in this extremely
unlikely circumstance, so I'll just throw it away and write
something
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 04:35:24PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
[1] The KDE team produces a lot of them like kppp, kisdn, kheise etc.
I don't believe that these is the answer as long as Qt is non-free
but it's a way in the right direction.
My personal hesitation with Qt has been
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:44:21AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
[Debian for the clueless users]
If there are a group of people interested in doing this still, I am very
much interested in seeing this done and contributing what I can to the
project.
I find this idea interesting and
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