Re: private debian pools

2002-12-10 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:06:23AM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: If you do not mind I can help you and you can help me to improve the debarchiver package. I would be happy to include your scripts there. At the moment I am busy with DAK, but if you want to take over maintaining my scripts as a

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 02:09, Nick Phillips wrote: On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:03 pm, Scott James Remnant wrote: I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but for the simple reason that this functionality already exists. In part; it's not visible to the

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Nick Phillips wrote: On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 am, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 04:36:58PM +1100, Brian May wrote: I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: URL:http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/bin2/. Interesting. These scripts will allow you to create and maintain a private archive with

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Joey Hess wrote: Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Probably because it's too complicated to be of use unless you're managing something on the scale of the debian archive. It's much

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:03:07PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but for the simple reason that this functionality already exists. The namespace of an apt repository is its URL, and any information available in a Release

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 03:09:44PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: Which is inadequate; how do you tell whether the following lines access the same distribution? deb http://debian.lemon-computing.com/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb http://debian.otago.ac.nz/debian/ stable main

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-09 Thread Roger Leigh
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a database). That complicated and undocumented mess has been running the Debian

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Roland Mas
Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Joel Baker
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Nick Phillips
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:41 am, Joel Baker wrote: I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations) packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a long way off, and not

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Nick Phillips wrote: /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to recover a system from someone using it... I

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Philip Charles
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Joel Baker wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:19:52PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives. I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess that was a total

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Nick Phillips
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 am, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private archive

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:48:30PM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private archive

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 20:51, Nick Phillips wrote: /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to recover a system from someone

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:42:15PM +1100, Brian May wrote: d-arch-builder?? (debian-archive-builder) Sounds good. I have renamed the bin2 directory to darchbuilder. (unfortunately Perl objected to the - in the directory name). The new location is now

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Joey Hess
Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Probably because it's too complicated to be of use unless you're managing something on the scale of the debian archive. It's much easier to install mini-dinstall and make a

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Joey Hess
Joel Baker wrote: And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. Note that mini-dinstall can generate old-style archives too. That's what I use for all my repositories. archive_style = flat -- see shy jo

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread James Troup
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a database). That complicated and undocumented mess has been running the Debian archives successfully and without major

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Nick Phillips
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:03 pm, Scott James Remnant wrote: I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but for the simple reason that this functionality already exists. In part; it's not visible to the user, and it's not possible for a package to specify that it

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 14:44, Joey Hess wrote: Joel Baker wrote: And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. Note that mini-dinstall can generate old-style archives too. That's what I use for all my

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 17:26, Brian May wrote: When I last looked at mini-dinstall it didn't seem to try to cater for many of the tasks required for pools, because it doesn't appear to support pools. eg. with pools you need tools to install packages, maintain multiple Packages files for

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-07 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Brian May wrote: I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: URL:http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/bin2/. These scripts will allow you to create and maintain a private archive with multiple distributions, architectures, etc.

Re: private debian pools

2002-12-07 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:21:17AM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Do you have some documentation done somewhere? I wasn't able to find the README file. Sorry about that. It is possible that the webserver has somehow been configured not to display README files. For now I have renamed it

private debian pools

2002-12-06 Thread Brian May
I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: URL:http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/bin2/. These scripts will allow you to create and maintain a private archive with multiple distributions, architectures, etc. No database is required. See