I think all have been said, so I will just join this with +1.
Cheers,
Ondrej
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 02:08, Russ Allbery wrote:
> zlatan writes:
>
> > In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
> > writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
>
> [...]
Hi Joey,
Am 2014-11-07 22:04, schrieb Joey Hess:
It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.
Shocking.
Thanks for all the great stuff you did and do, from a Debian user and
de
On Friday 07 November 2014 17:04:10 Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
I'm very sorry to read this. We'll miss you.
All the best
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Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> So you still could (and perhaps should[0]) reconsider not to leave
> Debian.
> Guess you've read the lists and saw how many people were emotionally
> hit and upset about this.
Joey, I beg you too. Please reconsider.
Still, if it's not fun anymore by all means run
Hey Joey,
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 06:12:13PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Please take that message with a pound of salt. I was upset when I wrote
> it, it's probably not accurate, and I've left[1] for reasons that are
> much more broadly structural, and are certianly not the fault of the
> technical
Hi Faidon,
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 11:46:57AM +0200, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
>
> Extremely sad to read this, Joey.
+1
I personally feel like loosing a friend. If I imagine myself to leave
Debian I would leave a major part of my life and I guess its similar for
Joey and that the decision was ha
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 22:38 +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
> I can completely understand why we (and that includes me) want systemd
> as a default: it gives the best possible integration of desktop
> components possible.
I even think it's best on a server (that means, if it was used as it
could be)..
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
see shy jo :(
Richard
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On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 18:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> I've left[1]
+
>Almost.
So you still could (and perhaps should[0]) reconsider not to leave
Debian.
Guess you've read the lists and saw how many people were emotionally hit
and upset about this.
(well I think it's worth a try ^^)
Cheers,
Ch
Michael Gilbert wrote:
> How can you possibly think no more need said? You are one of four
> complicit in the act that finally pushed Joey over the edge [0].
>
> [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00045.html
Please take that message with a pound of salt. I was upset when I wrote
2014-11-10 0:38 GMT+03:00 Simon Richter :
> automake
With autotools one can always use plain shell code in configure.ac and
plain make in Makefile.am ;-)
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On 09.11.2014 04:57, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> In the end it's quite easy: sysvinit has many deficiencies ans
> missing feature, systemd is superior in all places.
- From your perspective.
I can completely understand why we (and that in
On 2014-11-09 18:19, Adam Borowski wrote:
And since changing the init system on
existing installations is an important _technical_ problem, it is in
scope
for the CTTE.
Where does the constitution make "important technical problems" in scope
for the tech committee? (Not being awkward, but th
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:54:39PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralf Jung wrote:
> > I read Joey's message over and over without getting any more clues. He
> > said the CTTE has "Decided it should make a decision", which it seems to
> > me it did not. So I probab
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralf Jung wrote:
> I read Joey's message over and over without getting any more clues. He
> said the CTTE has "Decided it should make a decision", which it seems to
> me it did not. So I probably misunderstood something more fundamental here.
Read all of #762194 ve
Hi,
On 09/11/14 07:28, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>> On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>>> No accusation, just a statement of fact. Four ctte members were
>>> complicit in the vote [0]
>>
>> Well maybe I read t
Le samedi 08 novembre 2014 à 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert a écrit :
> No, the fire is not systemd, it is the politicization of the project
> via ctte and GR rather than patient evolution of the best technical
> solution.
You are definitely right. However, I think we would all appreciate if
you co
On 11/08/2014 at 10:57 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> In the end it's quite easy: sysvinit has many deficiencies ans
> missing feature, systemd is superior in all places.
On 11/09/2014 at 12:01 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> All of these systems were capable of booting a Linux,...
Sad news. I wish you all the best for your future endeavours. I hope
to cross paths with you from time to time (maybe I should tidy up my
half finished ikiwiki patches!)
The coincidental timing of Colin leaving the tech-ctte did make me
wonder how different things would be if we could have coerced
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> No accusation, just a statement of fact. Four ctte members were
>> complicit in the vote [0]
>
> Well maybe I read that ruling wrong, but didn't it more or less say
> "we
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> No accusation, just a statement of fact. Four ctte members were
> complicit in the vote [0]
Well maybe I read that ruling wrong, but didn't it more or less say
"we're not deciding anything right now"?
And even if that decision would be
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 22:32 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> You are one of four
>> complicit in the act that finally pushed Joey over the edge [0].
>
> Don't you think it goes a bit far to personally accusing some people of
> this?
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 22:32 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> You are one of four
> complicit in the act that finally pushed Joey over the edge [0].
Don't you think it goes a bit far to personally accusing some people of
this?
I guess Joey was long enough in the business to have known how to deal
wi
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> zlatan writes:
>
>> In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
>> writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
>
> [...]
>
> And yet, I don't see how it could have been said better. Thank you so
> much f
zlatan writes:
> In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
> writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
[...]
And yet, I don't see how it could have been said better. Thank you so
much for putting this into words.
> I just want the warm community fe
Joey Hess dijo [Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400]:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
How can the Master Fisherman thank us for all the fish?
Yes, pulling the f
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
I share your feelings. Back in those days you and Joey were the rea
On Sat, 08 Nov 2014, Michael Hanke wrote:
> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
> now that it's a toxic document,
Am Samstag, 8. November 2014, 10:19:02 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Joey,
>
> Am Freitag, 7. November 2014, 17:04:10 schrieb Joey Hess:
> > It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> > originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> > everyone well, b
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
> > originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> > everyone well, but I'm out.
So long, and thanks for all the damn hard work and working code.
May you live long, prosper, and continue to inspire others to
greatness.
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
> now that it's a toxic document, that has s
2014-11-08[Sat]11:38 Roman Czyborra read that
2014-11-08[Sat]10:46 Faidon Liambotis wrote
<545de691.2090...@debian.org>:
Extremely sad to read this, Joey. The few times we've crossed paths,
I've enjoyed working with you (and on your ideas) incredibly. And of
course I am -as we are all- enjoying
On 11/07/14 23:04, Joey Hess wrote:
It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.
Extremely sad to read this, Joey. The few times we've crossed paths,
I've enjoyed working with yo
Quoting Joey Hess (2014-11-07 22:04:10)
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
:-(
I am very sad that you leave. But also curious where you will go from
here - many
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
So long, and thanks for all the fish. We will miss you.
Norbert
P
Joey,
Am Freitag, 7. November 2014, 17:04:10 schrieb Joey Hess:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
I am sad from reading this. I do not know you as a person, except
Ew.
I've always thought you have been providing Debian with very sensible
thoughts and guiding. Your wisdom will be missed. Wishing you the
best.
Samuel
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On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 17:04 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> but I'm out.
Wow what saddening news :-(
It's really a pity to good ones leaving... hope you'd reconsider your
decision and come back after some break perhaps!
If not, all the best and thanks.
Cheers,
Chris.
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Joey Hess writes:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
Thank you. You've been a model Debian member to many of us, and I will
miss your inspiration and clear-headedne
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In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am writing
from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
I am emotionally crushed by this.
You are one of two DD's I interviewed for our LUG in Banja Luka, shortly after
conf
Hi Joey,
among all the Debian developers you have been one of the most inspiring to me.
I hope that you will keep your blog syndicated on planet.debian.org !
Cheers,
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Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
(Insert record-scratch sound-effect and sounds of brain rebooting here.)
Thank you deeply for your work. It sadd
Joey Hess writes:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
I'm gutted.
> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was or
On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
>
> Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
> debhel
On Nov 07, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
Well, this sucks.
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Hi,
2014-11-07 22:04 GMT+01:00 Joey Hess :
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
>
> Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
> debhelper, alien, dpkg
It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.
Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
debhelper, alien, dpkg-repack, and debmirror.
I will be making final orphani
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 01:55:24AM +0100, Aneurin Price wrote:
> On 4 April 2013 18:28, wrote:
>
> > There is apparently no mode of argument, or "style of
> > communications", which is capable of penetrating the Debian
> > bureaucracy. It is impervious, even to patches which have been
> > previou
On 4 April 2013 18:28, wrote:
> There is apparently no mode of argument, or "style of
> communications", which is capable of penetrating the Debian
> bureaucracy. It is impervious, even to patches which have been
> previously solicited. Silly me, for taking that seriously.
>
You need to remember
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:45:26 -0300
Ben Armstrong wrote:
> the long and sordid tale of your bid to get attention for this bug
That's right; I wrote it up in detail, provided patches when asked to do
so, provided test scripts to demonstrate the correctness of those
patches, answered every question
On 04/04/13 02:28 PM, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:45:55 -0300
> Ben Armstrong wrote:
>
>> Just take care in future that the style of communications you used
>> triggered someone's "wetware spam filter" with a false positive.
>
> I initially wrote up a detailed bug repo
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:45:55 -0300
Ben Armstrong wrote:
> Just take care in future that the style of communications you used
> triggered someone's "wetware spam filter" with a false positive.
I initially wrote up a detailed bug report, and then when somebody
suggested that the problem would get
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