As you can see below and in the BTS, vim's maintainer has managed to
create a vim-tiny package that is vim without some of the extras such as
syntax highlighting. It's now only marginally larger than nvi, which is
the standard vi included in the base system (amazingly, it's smaller
than nano, the
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:38:57PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
There are obviously users who will prefer nvi to vim (and others who
prefer some other vi), but I get the impression there are rather more who
prefer vim, it's probably the most commonly used vi in linux these days.
Count me as an nvi
su, 2005-12-18 kello 13:38 -0500, Joey Hess kirjoitti:
One argument I can think of for keeping nvi in base is that it is the
closest to bug-compatible with the original vi. However, I don't think
that will prevent hardcore vi users from easily using vim-tiny if
it's in base.
I'm one of the
* Lars Wirzenius wrote:
In fact, given that it's good for base to be small, I'd like to
suggest that we don't have more than one editor there.
We already have two editors in the base system, nvi and nano.
Norbert
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Will it work fine over a serial console? Is it fine for ex-Solaris/HP-UX
Sure, I often use vim over serial consoles.
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su, 2005-12-18 kello 20:17 +0100, Norbert Tretkowski kirjoitti:
* Lars Wirzenius wrote:
In fact, given that it's good for base to be small, I'd like to
suggest that we don't have more than one editor there.
We already have two editors in the base system, nvi and nano.
Yes, that being the
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:54:42PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:38:57PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
There are obviously users who will prefer nvi to vim (and others who
prefer some other vi), but I get the impression there are rather more who
prefer vim, it's
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I'm one of the people who prefers nvi over vim. I do so quite strongly,
because I find that nvi obeys my fingers and vim does not. The
differences are minute, of course, but they are really irritating.
Unfortunately, I can't enlist them properly, since my fingers don't
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Will it work fine over a serial console?
Yes, vim works fine over a serial console. You might want to turn off
part of the status line if using it at less than 9600 baud.
Is it fine for ex-Solaris/HP-UX
/AIX admins who may have got used to nvi?
I imagine they might
Oh, another possible advantage to having vim-tiny in base is that it
includes the vimtutor command, which is a fairly good way to learn how
to use vim (or any vi; it avoids most vim-isms). The tutor is how I
finally learned (to love) vi after years of badly using and loathing it
as the base editor
su, 2005-12-18 kello 14:57 -0500, Joey Hess kirjoitti:
Yeah, I understand the feeling (coming at it from the exact opposite
side). It would be helpful if there were an analysis of the major differences
somewhere; the ones I am most aware of incude:
I'm not personally very interested in this.
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
In the name of reducing base's size, I would support a policy change
here, excempting vi clones, but I suspect I'd be shouted down.
Personally, I think standard would be the appropriate priority for for
the vi clone.
In which case it wouldn't really reduce base's size,
Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:54:42PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Count me as an nvi person. Vim is great - but not as the default in
the most basic system, no matter how stripped down.
Why is nvi better if the size of nvi and vim-tiny are comparable?
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 02:57:17PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I'm one of the people who prefers nvi over vim. I do so quite strongly,
because I find that nvi obeys my fingers and vim does not. The
differences are minute, of course, but they are really irritating.
Glenn Maynard wrote:
:set compatible will switch Vim's behavior for all of these, except for:
Nope, I was running vim in compatible mode (the default without a
~/.vimrc) for all of them.
In compatible, arrow keys don't work at all in insert mode, like vi
(set esckeys to revert).
They do
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:54:42PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Will it work fine over a serial console? Is it fine for ex-Solaris/HP-UX
/AIX admins who may have got used to nvi?
As an ex-Solaris/AIX admin I can say that I used vim there too (except
when the filesystem containing vim did
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:44:13PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Glenn Maynard wrote:
:set compatible will switch Vim's behavior for all of these, except for:
Nope, I was running vim in compatible mode (the default without a
~/.vimrc) for all of them.
/etc/vim/vimrc sets nocompatible, among
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 03:05:40PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Oh, another possible advantage to having vim-tiny in base is that it
includes the vimtutor command, which is a fairly good way to learn how
The vimtutor content is not available if vim-runtime is not installed,
and it wont be in the
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:11:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Among other things, because it doesn't do the obnoxious auto-indent thing
that you have to work around with :set paste. I have no objections to vim
Well, this is a matter of configuration, not really a matter of editor.
Debian's vim
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