Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-25 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 24 mai 2013 12:29 CEST, Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org : The best way to run daemons under upstart is in foreground, then correct PID is tracked and the complete stdout/stderr is properly collected and stored in /var/log/upstart/$job.log (even early boot output). The best way to run a

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Ole Laursen
Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes: Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart. Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I think it may not be mature enough yet. A couple of years ago I was

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Bernd Schubert
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:39:00PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote: On 05/22/2013 04:50 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I went through the various init systems threads again during the last few days. My understanding of the consensus so

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 23 May 2013 10:37, Ole Laursen o...@hardworking.dk wrote: Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes: Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart. Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:29:27AM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Blog posts are interesting to read, but at times I'd like to look up reference manuals which are more than bear minimal man pages. Whilst systemd ships manpages, the website has either incorrectly formatted wiki-pages and/or

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Simon McVittie
On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started processes. systemd uses cgroups to track which processes are part of this service?, which means the services may be

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Ole Laursen
Dmitrijs Ledkovs xnox at debian.org writes: Also on technical merits although more philosophically, with Upstart you're expressing yourself in an event-based DSL rather than writing configuration files. It's pretty generic. But unfortunately, that means it's also not entirely straightforward,

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:29:07PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started processes. systemd uses cgroups to track which

using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:39:00PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote: On 05/22/2013 04:50 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I went through the various init systems threads again during the last few days. My understanding of the consensus so far is the following: - Both systemd and

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-22 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: I'm skeptical of the value of such a design in place of just using an initramfs, but the 'friendly-recovery' package in Ubuntu gives an example of to do this. live-config-upstart needs the same to be useful. personally i have no experience with