Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/10/1, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What upstream does, and whether the upstream license requires source, are not valid arguments for whether we're meeting the DFSG. There are many packages in Debian that have to be altered to comply with the DFSG. I don't know any example of

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 01 October 2007 11:01, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: I don't know any example of package which has included some additional sources because the upstream didn't provide real-sources for its sources. typo3-src is an example. Upstream doesn't provide the source for a font it ships.

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/10/1, Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know any example of package which has included some additional sources because the upstream didn't provide real-sources for its sources. typo3-src is an example. Upstream doesn't provide the source for a font it ships. Search for

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 03:11:05PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: I think it is because the nimbus font is released on GPL license, so the source code is required. The Olson DB is public domain so its license does not exact the shipping of source form. The DFSG requires us to ship the source

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/10/1, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it is because the nimbus font is released on GPL license, so the source code is required. The Olson DB is public domain so its license does not exact the shipping of source form. The DFSG requires us to ship the source though. Clause 2.

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-10-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: 2007/10/1, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it is because the nimbus font is released on GPL license, so the source code is required. The Olson DB is public domain so its license does not exact the shipping of source form. The

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-30 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/9/29, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just downloaded the source package for libdatetime-timezone-perl, and I don't see the Olson database in there anywhere. Where is it? It looks to me as though you aren't shipping the real source for your package, neither directly nor via

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Piotr Roszatycki] Even upstream don't ship the Olson database. I'm not conviced that we should ship Olson database. [...] The Olson database is public domain and it doesn't require to be distributed as real source. What upstream does, and whether the upstream license requires source, are

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 01, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If enough packages need to do this same thing, it would make sense for tzdata to ship a tzdata-source binary package to be build-depended on. It looks like you may have missed the arm firmware thread of yesterday... -- ciao, Marco

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Marco d'Itri] If enough packages need to do this same thing, it would make sense for tzdata to ship a tzdata-source binary package to be build-depended on. It looks like you may have missed the arm firmware thread of yesterday... No, I caught that thread, but thanks for your concern. It

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Piotr Roszatycki] 2007/9/26, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: will that cause dfsg problems? Not at all. The packages was built with pbuilder. It still is not fully understandable, so I'll try explain: I just downloaded the source package for libdatetime-timezone-perl, and I don't

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-26 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 00:20:10 +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: You made a subtle mistake. You checked the source package for tzdata and the changes are really small. Then you checked the differences for libdatetime-timezone-perl package, but this source package is already compiled. You

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-26 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/9/26, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Accepted now. Thank you very much. For the future: i would have been much easier, if you would have said: be warned, the patch is huge, but if you don't look at the compiled version of it, it is these number of lines... Both of us would have

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-26 Thread Luk Claes
Piotr Roszatycki wrote: 2007/9/26, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Accepted now. Thank you very much. For the future: i would have been much easier, if you would have said: be warned, the patch is huge, but if you don't look at the compiled version of it, it is these number of

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-26 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 14:46:16 +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: 2007/9/26, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Accepted now. Thank you very much. For the future: i would have been much easier, if you would have said: be warned, the patch is huge, but if you don't look at the

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-26 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
2007/9/26, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we could communicate better if you read the patch, not just statistics about it. By the way, the patch itself does not contain the real source data - the Olson database. I understand that it might be will that cause dfsg problems?

volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
The Debian volatile archive is the place for packages that expires before new Debian release. The description perfectly fits for my package libdatetime-timezone-perl. I prepared a few weeks ago new releases for sarge and etch. The release is based on old packages which have refreshed just

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Piotr, On Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 14:10:58 +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: The Debian volatile archive is the place for packages that expires before new Debian release. The description perfectly fits for my package libdatetime-timezone-perl. I prepared a few weeks ago new releases for sarge

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
Ah... Do you mean this mail? am I missing something completely here? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/debian/packages$ diff -rNu libdatetime-timezone-perl-0.42-before-dv/ libdatetime-timezone-perl-0.42 | diffstat changelog|9 control |

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Piotr Roszatycki wrote: After 30th of September the timezone data for New Zealand will be not correct (Bug#440258). The users who rely on Debian package will notice that something goes wrong. Based on the description (and not the patch) it seems to me that this kind of change should be in the

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 14:55:47 +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: Ah... Do you mean this mail? am I missing something completely here? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/debian/packages$ diff -rNu libdatetime-timezone-perl-0.42-before-dv/ libdatetime-timezone-perl-0.42 | diffstat changelog

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
It's not about one timezone. The new release refresh all available timezones. The whole package was synced with the latest Olson database. It is simple analogy for tzdata package. You should also ask, why the tzdata package has so many changes and why don't simply update only one timezone?

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 05:36:03PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: It's not about one timezone. The new release refresh all available timezones. The whole package was synced with the latest Olson database. It would be good if you fixed #416206, and used tzdata yourself. So that we only need to

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
It is almost impossible. The DateTime::TimeZone is pure Perl library and can't use binary data from tzdata package. In fact, this library can be used on systems without libc6 and tzdata at all! You wrongly assume that tzdata package is more important than libdatetime-timezone-perl package. It can

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:48:19PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: It is almost impossible. The DateTime::TimeZone is pure Perl library and can't use binary data from tzdata package. In fact, this library can be used on systems without libc6 and tzdata at all! You wrongly assume that tzdata

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
It is already such library called DateTime::TimeZone::Tzfile. It is not packaged yet, but... It is different story. We still talk about DateTime::TimeZone. Even if it should be replaced with newer, better and faster libraray, it is ALREADY in etch and sarge. The Debian supports the packages which

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 17:36:03 +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: It is simple analogy for tzdata package. You should also ask, why the tzdata package has so many changes and why don't simply update only one timezone? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% diff -rNu tzdata-2007b tzdata-2007f | diffstat

Re: volatile.debian.org: Does Debian still support it?

2007-09-25 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
You made a subtle mistake. You checked the source package for tzdata and the changes are really small. Then you checked the differences for libdatetime-timezone-perl package, but this source package is already compiled. You should check the difference between binary packages for tzdata. The real