Re: LSB?

1999-01-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reasonable objection notwithstanding, I intend to write a letter to those responsible for the LSB to attempt to raise the issues we have with their current proposal. I would appreciate discussion on these issues in other parts of this thread. I

Re: Your Stealth Mail Bomber

1999-01-20 Thread Tom Lear
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Zephaniah E, Hull wrote: Well, I think its time that we start trying to truly enforce our spam policy... Advertising policy. Yes this is long overdue. - Tom

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Tom Lear
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Michael Bramer wrote: All is in german. No part is in english. sorry. Does this mean there's little point in English-only people turning up? (maybe if we get enough debian people there, we can have a bilingual stall :)) Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward

Re: LSB?

1999-01-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 05:38:25PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: Reasonable objection notwithstanding, I intend to write a letter to those responsible for the LSB to attempt to raise the issues we have with their current proposal. I would appreciate discussion on these issues in other

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Mark Phillips
Shawn writes: I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller of Debian products. Such a business could focus on pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support. I would think a very successful business could be built on such a model, and there would be no

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Tue, 19 Jan, 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Ben Pfaff wrote: No such file appears in my copy of Content-i386 from 28 Dec 1998. Where are you getting it from? Duh, I had the directory wrong, the correct dictory is /usr/doc/copyright/base. dpkg -S can't see where it is coming

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-20 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Sat, Jan 16, 1999 at 06:39:53PM -0800, Darren Benham wrote: I'm not sure I'd agree that the version of DFSG aj and I are working would allow the powered by clause -- atleast not as a binding restriction. In our proposal, the section you quote says nothing about the notices in finished work

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Anthony Fok wrote: As the Slink deep freeze and release are impending, I would like to ask your advice: Should I follow the suggestion given by the bug reporter Thomas Roessler? I think so. For people who want to mount floppies without being root you can also use a line in

Developers' keyring and slink freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
Please, please, PLEASE can we put the latest version of the debian-keyring package into slink. I see no reason why we shouldn't have the latest version of the maintainers' keys in slink, especially as some people may, on occasion, use them to test the validity of a downloaded package or of an

Re: Is anyone reading wnpp mail?

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Joop Stakenborg wrote: I have done some posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I never get an answer and nothing really happens. The most easiest way to reach the maintainer is to enter IRC, server irc.debian.org and /msg netgod. Is anyone reading the wnpp mail? Generally yes, but only frequently

Re: LSB?

1999-01-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:57:46PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: You can start by writing to our man on point with the LSB, Dale Scheetz. Absolutely! As said elsewhere, I was going to submit the draft to -private. If you think it would be better for you to handle it, say so and I'll stay out

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Brian White
After considerable delay, Slink is almost ready for release. As such, it will go into the deep freeze on Wednesday, January 20th. New uploads will be _greatly_ restricted. Also, the following packages will be removed because of release-critical bugs still open against them: Unless

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Brian White
Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze After considerable delay, Slink is almost ready for release. As such, it will go into the deep freeze on Wednesday, January 20th. Brian, will you please consider to do a ftp.debian.org bug hunting *before* doing any deep freeze? The

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-20 Thread Darren Benham
On 20-Jan-99 Gregor Hoffleit wrote: In the case of Zope, I have to disagree. You have to think of Zope as an application with an GUI realized in HTML. I don't see a difference to an application that publishes its GUI as X11 calls: Your DFSG2 draft says The license may require such notices

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Federico Di Gregorio wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:54:55PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone know any cheap places to stay for a couple of days in the neighborhood? I am

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Roland Rosenfeld wrote: here at work we are going to use vbox. Since there is no Debian package already I wonder if somebody has interest in packaging it. I don't feel much interest but need for it so I would appreciate if s/o else would step forward. As Ruud reminded me isdnutils

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Brian White
dpkg 17624 dpkg: installs regular dir when .deb contains symlink ! 21182 dpkg: dpkg can go into an infinite loop with --force-configure-any 28519 dpkg: dpkg creates circular symlinks 28817 dpkg takes no care over

Intent to package: micq

1999-01-20 Thread Max
I'm going to pyut my maintainer application in RSN (I have to scan in my license *grumble*) After that, I would like to package micq, which is a text mode icq client, which is in the public domain. I already have preliminary version packaged. --- Max/TazQ/MTFFM/Whatever My Nickname Is Today

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Weisgerber
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about being there (I'll come from italy). If you find something, Wichert, can you please let me know... I CAN'T read german (hope conference language will be english, at least in part). The conference

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Weisgerber
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I can come, too. It's a weekend which is nice. I hope the youthhostel has enough beds for everyone. We intend to contact the youth hostel and ask them to generally reserve as many beds as possible for LinuxTag

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Weisgerber
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philipp Frauenfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 26 and 27 of june is a weekend, right? cal is part of the bsdmainutils package, which is listed as important. ;-) There is a youth hostel about 15km away. Check

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Steve Shorter
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: How about the following variation on the theme? Rather than starting a for-profit business as a value-added seller of Debian products, why not start a not-for-profit, user centred, association that does the same job? It would work a bit like an

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Brian White wrote: nonus.debian.org 21423 Dpkg-ftp can't handle alternative distributions This is important?? I don't know what this bug is referring to, but there is a new dpkg-ftp which can handle multiple servers. I wrote a dpkg-multiftp method for the same reasn, the new dpkg-ftp

Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-20 Thread Darren Benham
Remember, if you don't want a new DFSG at all, you can always vote it down and argue against it when the proposal is made. In the mean time, lets see if we can atleast make this the best wording we can. Also, remember, I think the proposal needs to be worded so that the DFSG ballot has an option

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-20 Thread Robert Donn
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 05:16:01PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote: When the docs for a setuid program warn you not to trust its security then be afraid, be very afraid. It shouldn't be automatically setuid in Debian until _some_ security-conscious person has audited it carefully. On a related

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Lavoie
DISCLAIMER: These are notes, and can have technical impossibilites (especially concerning '.deb'ianizing of StarOffice) Ok, here's the sum up: - Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit. - A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try to influence/own it.

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread John Hasler
Edward Betts writes: Are you sure it was /usr/doc/copyright/base ? hasler/~ ll /usr/doc/copyright/base total 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197 Dec 31 1969 debian.README -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Edward Betts writes: Are you sure it was /usr/doc/copyright/base ? hasler/~ ll /usr/doc/copyright/base total 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197 Dec 31 1969 debian.README So what package does it come from, then, and what version? I

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-20 Thread Anderson MacKay
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Darren Benham wrote: On 20-Jan-99 Gregor Hoffleit wrote: In the case of Zope, I have to disagree. You have to think of Zope as an application with an GUI realized in HTML. I don't see a difference to an application that publishes its GUI as X11 calls: Your DFSG2

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread James A. Treacy
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:53:43PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 11:40:01PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: One more feature (or a bugfix since it pointed to 404 before :) has been added: you can call http://packages.debian.org/some_package and it will redirect you to

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread James A. Treacy
Try again. The system installed version of the indexing program was being used instead of my custom job. This has been fixed so it should work correctly now. Jay Treacy

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Lavoie
To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which would have to do some/all of the following: - Provide single user free of charge support through internet. (email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever) - Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better to pay

Re: texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-20 Thread Joel Klecker
At 17:15 -0200 1999-01-19, Lalo Martins wrote: Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? Uhh, not now, makeinfo and texi2html in tetex-bin is not a new development, it's been that way since at least bo, IIRC. I really

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-20 Thread John Hasler
Avery Pennarun wrote: When the docs for a setuid program warn you not to trust its security then be afraid, be very afraid. It shouldn't be automatically setuid in Debian until _some_ security-conscious person has audited it carefully. Would you say the same of daemons that run as root? --

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Alexander N. Benner
hi Ship's Log, Lt. Wichert Akkerman, Stardate 190199.0220: If possible it might be nice to organise a couple of things like a meeting for Debian developers and a BOF about Debian maintainership. Oh, and the obligatory PGP-signing session of course :) I'd like to join, but I'm not sure

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Steve Bowman
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:34:27PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: Johnie Ingram wrote: Eduardo == Eduardo Marcel Macan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eduardo See, I am not suggesting that we change the username Eduardo to solve the postgres problem, this would solve this problem,

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:12:29AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hello Christian One question: Is it right, that you search for a Linux Distribution for your 'Tagungs-CD'. Last year it was suse, the year befor redhat. Right? This year, debian? Grisu --

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-20 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 20-Jan-99 Anderson MacKay wrote: As I read the license, it just requires that you display notice that your website was created using Zope, e.g. a sort of powered by Zope logo kinda thing, and you need a credits page of some sort. I'm not even sure this

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:18:59PM +1300, Robert Donn wrote: I'm not sure whether this violates policy or not (and thus whether to file a bug against it) - but Policy does not require postinsts using chmod/suidregister to give message or query, then perhaps it needs to be added... Any program

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Steve, If Debian *stops* making sure that new developers agree[1] with the DFSG, then think *I'd* reconsider my developer status. If you don't agree[1] with the DFSG, why on earth do you want to be a Debian developer? Now, when I joined, there was no DFSG or social contract, Because I

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: hasler/~ ll /usr/doc/copyright/base total 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197 Dec 31 1969 debian.README Ben Pfaff writes: So what package does it come from, then, and what version? I don't know. 'dpkg -S' can't find it. This machine was upgraded from 1.3: maybe it's

README files for XF86Setup in slink

1999-01-20 Thread Sergey V Kovalyov
Hey guys, where are those /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.* files required for XF86Setup in slink ? Are they in a separate package ? Which ? I can't find them. Or is this just a bug ? Anyone's aware and working on it ? Sergey.

Re: pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-20 Thread Robert Woodcock
Adam Heath wrote: I see a problem with all this talk about pseudo packages for upgrades from hamm. These 'pkgs' will have to remain in the system forever. If someone skips slink, and goes to potato when that is released, the same problem will occur. If we ever fix dpkg/dselect/apt to handle a

Re: TIGER data

1999-01-20 Thread Allan M. Wind
On 1999-01-18 15:29, Bruce Perens wrote: I have the TIGER data ready to mail to Dale. This is the U.S. street map data which I am distributing under the GPL. It fit on 5 CDs rather than 6 after re-compression with bzip2. Might take a while to download via modem... :-) /Allan -- Allan M.

Re: TIGER data

1999-01-20 Thread Bruce Perens
Might take a while to download via modem... :-) That's OK, the uncompressed raw data won't fit on your disk anyway. 25 GB. This gets chopped down to one full CD, in a sort of binary format, for use. Bruce -- The $70 Billion US budget surplus hardly offsets our $5 Trillion national

Re: using TABS vs SPACES in E-Mail

1999-01-20 Thread Brian May
I have changed the subject header... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 06:34:49PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: 2) We want it to _also_ be viewable by Windows users. Since their fonts are proportional, we can't use spaces to separate columns; tabs aren't great

off-topic! Anonymous CVS access?

1999-01-20 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
Hi, All can someone tell me how to setup anonymous read-only access to CVS tree via pserver in slink? Of course with minimum security problems... thanks a lot in advance OK

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Ossama == Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ossama I was referring to the fact that many of the developers Ossama strongly felt that I should agree with the DFSG, i.e. not Ossama have my own opinion of it. I was under the imprtession that that was a requirement of the new

Re: Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 05:53:15PM -0800, Darren Benham wrote: Remember, if you don't want a new DFSG at all, you can always vote it down and argue against it when the proposal is made. In the mean time, lets see if we can atleast make this the best wording we can. Also, remember, I think

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ossama Othman) wrote: Those with opinions that differ from the mainstream should not be branded heretics or encouraged to leave. Why not? When views of people differ in detail ,there is basis for a dialogue. When even the fundamentals are contested,

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Ossama == Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ossama If we all agreed on the DFSG then how would change ever Ossama occur? Why is it so necesary for any change to occur? And most of the developers I talked to were in favour of clarifying the DFSG, not changing the

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, I was under the imprtession that that was a requirement of the new maintainer process? The DFSG is critical to the core of debian, it is what makes Debian what it is. And even though diversity of opinion is indeed laudable, there has to be a basis for understanding and

libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Chris Waters
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: There's no reason for this to be release-critical. The system works fine except for an annoying email message sent to root every day. It's *highly* annoying I have to say, and is very likely to cause lots of people to wonder

Re: Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-20 Thread Robert Woodcock
Anthony Towns wrote: * Is the Limitation of Liability really a restriction on use or distribution? This is just a layout thing, but it'd be nice to get it right. Neither! The limitation of liability in almost all licenses these days do not grant or deny any rights.

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, Ossama If we all agreed on the DFSG then how would change ever Ossama occur? Why is it so necesary for any change to occur? I meant if the need for change ever arose. And most of the developers I talked to were in favour of clarifying the DFSG, not changing the

Re: non-free -- non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Ossama == Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If software is not DFSG-free, there is something in its license that limits its use as free software. If the author intended their software to be used and distributed and developed freely, there is indeed something wrong that they

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, Those with opinions that differ from the mainstream should not be branded heretics or encouraged to leave. Why not? Isn't that rather extreme? :) When views of people differ in detail ,there is basis for a dialogue. When even the fundamentals are contested,

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Brian May
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Bart == Bart Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bart Is www-data the uid of the web server process or is it the owner Bart of the served files? Hm, good point. At the moment its both -- /var/www is installed as www-data.www-data, but other packages like

Re: non-free -- non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, Ossama Looking at it from the author's point of view, the author may Ossama feel that Debian's definition of free is wrong and his is Ossama right. So he may also think about Debian that there is Ossama indeed something wrong that they should know about. This is all

Re: Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-20 Thread Achim Oppelt
Hello Joey, Thank you very much for your Debian Weekly News! I find them quite helpful for keeping up-to-date with Debian development without having to read all the mailing lists. Just one minor criticism: * For all those interested in XFree 3.3.3, Ben Gertzfield [15]posted that

Re: LSB?

1999-01-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reasonable objection notwithstanding, I intend to write a letter to those responsible for the LSB to attempt to raise the issues we have with their current proposal. I would appreciate discussion on these issues in other parts of this thread. I

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
[ I added the FHS and debian-devel mailing lists to the Cc list, so a huge number of people are now being Cc'ed -- sorry. ] Florian La Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if there are no other bigger standards that would make it very convenient to move all Linux-distributions to /var/mail and

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 06:19:46PM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: Hi Craig, I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. not sure what you mean by that. i thought i was quite careful to state that i was using a generic you in my examples, and not referring to you

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread H. Peter Anvin
I would *much* prefer this, I just didn't think I'd be able to win the argument. Since this is the objection that won't die, I'm currently considering four ways out of the mess created by this change that went into FHS 2.0. 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, and specify

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Craig, I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. not sure what you mean by that. i thought i was quite careful to state that i was using a generic you in my examples, and not referring to you personally. if you got that impression, then i apologise

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Theodore Y. Ts'o
From: H. Peter Anvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:19:26 -0800 (PST) I believe the FHS 2.0 change was right on target. Just about every UNIX implementation today has moved away from /var/spool/mail to /var/mail, and it has technical advantages. If anything,

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 22:38:15 -0800, Chris Waters wrote: At the moment, everyone who installs ppp-pam (like me) will be forced to install cracklib, and suffer with daily emails to root. We need to fix libpam0g. Unfortunately, the maintainer seems to be inactive, and we're dependent on

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:00:02AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about being there (I'll come from italy). If you find something, Wichert, can you please let me know... I CAN'T read german

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:22:14AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Federico Di Gregorio wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:54:55PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone know any

Re: Processed: Change Important Severities

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Sun 17 Jan 1999, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: severity 31717 normal Bug#31717: fileutils: 'mv regularfile symlink' problems Severity set to `normal'. I think that this bug _should_ be important; it's just that it's not important for slink as the bug is only in the fileutils version

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Anthony Towns
(on /var/mail vs /var/spool/mail) On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:19:26AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Since this is the objection that won't die, I'm currently considering four ways out of the mess created by this change that went into FHS 2.0. 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, and specify

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:19:10PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: hasler/~ ll /usr/doc/copyright/base total 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197 Dec 31 1969 debian.README Ben Pfaff writes: So what package does it come from, then, and what version? I don't know.

Intent to package mixal

1999-01-20 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
For those of you who are Knuth devotees like me, MIXAL should ring a bell. For others, I have added a small description below [1]. I'm going to package a MIX/MIXAL implementation (unimaginatively called mixal by its author), the one which was designed and written by Darius Bacon, then ported to

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
Santiago Vila writes: smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary should be removed, in either case it should be extra. gmc conflicts with mc, but

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 19 Jan 1999, Branden Robinson wrote: XFree86 3.3.2.3a-8pre9v4 is available at http://master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86/ . This doesn't seem to have the patches CRITICAL to the alpha port yet! I sent you a note around 7th January about this, saying where you could find the patches I

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Steve McIntyre wrote: Santiago Vila writes: smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary should be removed, in either case it should be extra.

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 19 Jan 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: As far as I can see isdnutils-3.0-8 includes vbox 2.0.0 beta 5, which is a little bit newer than vbox 2 beta 4 with the following changes: I'm planning to split up isdnutils sometime into separate parts; there are many sites where for example vbox

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:22:39AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: Santiago Vila writes: smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary should be

Re: Bug#32156: anacron: It ran unnexpectedly!

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Package: anacron Version: 2.0.1-2 This I cannot explain, my system has been running for the past 43 days without interruption and just now anacron fired up and started running things, at 12:30 on the dot - for the first time! What gives? I'm

Xfree 3.3.3.1 packages...

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
Hello, ... i have made some package of the latest version of Xfree86, 3.3.3.1. i have only compiled the powerpc packages, but i did the last part by hand, so i have no changes file yet, and they will be rejected, anyway i upload them to incoming so other people can play with them ... the files

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:46:21AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: I think that there should be a release critical bug here, but I think it should be #30862: libpam0g depends on cracklib2. Yup. I've looked at it again, and the dependency is superflous. (I modified PAM to link it's .so's to all

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will become legal in France! In the meantime (until our representatives adopt the law), the authorized key sizes go from 40 bits to 128 bits. Now if the idiot in

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski
FDG == Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FDG That's fine. If we gather enough english-speaking-developers FDG german won't be a problem (just to know, how do you say beer in FDG german?) It is Bier, spoken nearly like the english word beer. But if you ask for a beer, you will be

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 03:51:03AM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will become legal in France! it will become legal, but is not yet, isn't it ? when will be the

evil strace NMU

1999-01-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I just became aware that someone did a NMU for strace, apparently to fix some ARM issues. I strongly urge people to not do that, for several reasons: * nobody notified me of this NMU, I had to learn about it by reading debian-devel-changes * I really don't have to time to track NMUs down to

Re: non-free -- non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:18:37AM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: Ossama Looking at it from the author's point of view, the author may Ossama feel that Debian's definition of free is wrong and his is Ossama right. So he may also think about Debian that there is Ossama indeed something

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Olivier Tharan
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will become legal in France! On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:10:42PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: it will become legal, but is not yet, isn't it ? when will be the

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martin Schulze wrote: When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no conflicts. I think that if I try to install every package with priority extra some things will start complaining very loudly.. Isn't that what Santiago pointed

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Martin Schulze wrote: Am I missing something here? Where does it say that users should be able to install _all_ optional packages? When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no conflicts. If there are two MTA's, then one is optional, the other is

Re: non-free -- non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Craig, The point is that it easy to say I am right and you are wrong. Who makes us right and them wrong? i think you're missing the point. the point has nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong. Somewhere along the way of this thread I unwittingly moved into the

Release-critical bugs

1999-01-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
The two bugs against lprng have suggestions by me in the bug reports as to how to fix them. If someone can check out my suggestion for /etc/lprng.perms (Bug #23682) and do an NMU, that would be great. Please correct #31889 in the process -- it's just the reversal of two lines in the postinst. I

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martin Schulze wrote: When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no conflicts. I think that if I try to install every package with priority extra some things will start complaining very loudly. extra is the

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:16:15PM +0100, Olivier Tharan wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will become legal in France! On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:10:42PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote:

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-20 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to split up isdnutils sometime into separate parts; there are many sites where for example vbox isn't used at all, so having it installed isn't useful. Sound reasonable. isdnvbox vbox Hmmm, maybe this should be split into two

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Sven LUTHER wrote: (This becomes slightly off-topic on debian-devel) no it is not, this means i (living in france) can sign debia npackages without becoming a dangerous terrorist or whatever, hey in the past i could have been put in jail for that ... Not at all. Restriction was only

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 03:30:43PM +0200, Fabrizio Polacco wrote: Sven LUTHER wrote: (This becomes slightly off-topic on debian-devel) no it is not, this means i (living in france) can sign debia npackages without becoming a dangerous terrorist or whatever, hey in the past i

Re: Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-20 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On 20 Jan 1999, Achim Oppelt wrote: Just one minor criticism: * For all those interested in XFree 3.3.3, Ben Gertzfield [15]posted that the Debian JP group has made their own 3.3.3 packages. They can be found at [16]ftp.debian.or.jp. Your mileage may vary, but

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 09:36:18PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: Try again. The system installed version of the indexing program was being used instead of my custom job. This has been fixed so it should work correctly now. Yes, gdb works now. I followed the murphy's law, and tried

Re: texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-20 Thread Lalo Martins
On Jan 19, Joel Klecker decided to present us with: At 17:15 -0200 1999-01-19, Lalo Martins wrote: Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? Uhh, not now, makeinfo and texi2html in tetex-bin is not a new

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