Re: [cvs] fichier manquant

2003-11-08 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:56:04 +0100 Thomas Labourdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 05:34:07PM +0100, Michel Grentzinger écrivait: Je ne connais pas les détails de l'affaire mais j'ai rapidement regardé dans les bogues et aucun n'y fait référence. C'est le bogue 175377

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Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Fri, Nov 07 2003, 09:58:57PM]: Out of those 19 kernel-image-* packages and more kernel-module* packages, how many would go away with your proposal? All but two: linux and linux-2.4 (which are actualy the same thing. I.e: installing one will bring the

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 04:22:27PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: Then how do you suggest maintaining a kernel 2.4.20 for one architecture and a 2.4.22 for another architecture, that's bogus to start with..

On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hello. I've read (a part of) resent kernel ITP flamewar. The more I read, the more it frightens me. Seems that someone without any sort of complete knowledge of the problem, decided to maintain one of the most important parts of the system. And the way he chooses is removing everything that I

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:39:38AM +1100, Brian May wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 08:13:18PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: At least, the ability to do apt-get source linux as it should always have been. I think it's time we put an end to this euphemism called the kernel and

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 08 November 2003 00:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 04:22:27PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: Then how do you suggest maintaining a kernel 2.4.20 for one architecture and a 2.4.22 for another architecture, when you can't even test on either of them? And

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:39:58PM]: Optimization is a serious issue too. Unlike most user space software, using 386 kernel on modern PC will cause serious performance loose. Especially if you consider mmx/sse/... and SMP issues. Note also that not all

Bug#219719: ITP: gnome-jabber -- A Jabber client for GNOME

2003-11-08 Thread Sebastian D.B. Krause
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-jabber Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://gnome-jabber.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : A Jabber client for GNOME Gnome Jabber is an instant

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
#include hallo.h * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:39:58PM]: Optimization is a serious issue too. Unlike most user space software, using 386 kernel on modern PC will cause serious performance loose. Especially if you consider mmx/sse/... and SMP issues. Note also that not

Re: Version Updating Question

2003-11-08 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:24:38 -0500 Neil Roeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 7, Mark Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm updating the docbook-simple package from V1.0cr2 to V1.0. Since 1.0cr2 1.0, I'm not sure how to handle the situation. 1.0.0 will do the trick, and I think that's

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
[ Please keep CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:08:36AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: All but two: linux and linux-2.4 (which are actualy the same thing. I.e: installing one will bring the other). Where linux would be a meta-package like the gcc meta-package wich

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:39:38AM +1100, Brian May wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 08:13:18PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: At least, the ability to do apt-get source linux as it should always have been. I think it's time we put an end to this euphemism called the kernel and

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:28:13PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Robert Millan wrote: I wouldn't. I'm going to track the latest minor version, just like the rest of Debian packages do. You really, massively, hugely fail to understand the problem here. The upstream kernel tree works on a

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
[ Please keep the CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:00:23PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Appliing patches dinamicaly and conditionaly is a huge amount of work? No, choosing, Choosing patches is a huge amount of work? writing Why should I rewrite a patch that already

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:07:49PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: I don't think automatic (as in unless you press ctrl-C or set the package on hold) major kernel-upgrades are wise, they should only be done on user-request, when the the user has time to take care of it. All my major

Richiesta Autorizzazione

2003-11-08 Thread marketing
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Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 01:24:16PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: I welcome this experiment in a new package of the Linux kernel. I will be observing its progress in the coming months. Unlike other core components of the distribution, the kernel package is easily replaced so there should be no

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 12:39:58PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Hello. I've read (a part of) resent kernel ITP flamewar. You should have kept the Subject and the CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED], otherwise your message is not properly archived in the discussion. The more I read, the more it

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
[ Please keep CC to debian-devel@lists.debian.org ] On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Rens Houben wrote: - Use the current kernel-image-* package set - Use apt-src or apt-build - Use Gentoo (cough) - Use kernel-package and make-kpkg. Erm yes. That was meant to be in

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 01:20:00PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: #include hallo.h * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:39:58PM]: Optimization is a serious issue too. Unlike most user space software, using 386 kernel on modern PC will cause serious performance loose.

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
Andrew Suffield wrote: We're all very interested in *real* evidence here, because there hasn't been any in the past. If you don't have any evidence, you can expect people to call bullshit on this. I can't send any *evidence* here, but I can post my own opinions and experiences with kernels. And

Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-08 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Proposed Desciption : Songwrite is a guitar tablature (fingering notation) editor and player, quite similar to TablEdit. In addition to tablatures, it also supports staff, lyrics and drums. Printing and playing support are available through

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Please please please don't go the Windows way - let's make it usable for dummies at the price of making it hardly usable by experts! The saying is: Create a system that is usable even by idiots, and only idiots will use it. I made the package in the way I found most consistent and easy

Re: Bug#219251: ITP: ircservices-ptlink -- IRC Services for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-08 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Proposed Description: ircservices-ptlink provides powerful IRC services (NickServ, ChanServ, MemoServ, NewsServ and OperServ) for the PTlink IRC server. Vlinks, securemode, guestnicks and logonnews are supported. The last sentence in the old

Re: Bug#219276: ITP: ircopm-ptlink -- Open Proxy Monitor for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-08 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Proposed Description : ircopm-ptlink provides a security service for the PTlink IRC server. This service is able to scan clients on connect for open proxies, and add G-lines on them for security purpose if needed. Could you have a look at my first

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Andreas Metzler
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Please keep the CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Please don't Cc me and respect Mail-Followup-To. On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:00:23PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Appliing patches dinamicaly and conditionaly is a huge amount of work? No, choosing, Choosing

Bug#219582: Info received (was Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-08 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the package maintainer(s) and to other interested parties to accompany the original report. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:29:27PM]: No, I compile without optimisation. In general, you have right. But people expect s super-optimized kernel to be shiped by a distro and you may need an SMP version. That's not the normal tendency in Debian. People who

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:51:32PM]: You really, massively, hugely fail to understand the problem here. The upstream kernel tree works on a small number of architectures. To deal with this, several other architectures have their own trees. These trees may be

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Eike Sauer
Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: Seems that someone without any sort of complete knowledge of the problem, decided to maintain one of the most important parts of the system. And the way he chooses is removing everything that I don't undestand. This looks like a disaster. If I didn't get it

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:35:41PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: No. I know this already because other people just kindly told me like you're doing. Tell you what? Do you fail to understand sarcasm or just parse everything said here in a way that you wish to understand? I'm actualy

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:56:03PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: I made the package in the way I found most consistent and easy to understand, for users and for developers. You're calling me idiot by saying that, so I'll stop here. I apologize if the above could be understood that

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Eike! Eike Sauer schrieb am Saturday, den 08. November 2003: Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: Seems that someone without any sort of complete knowledge of the problem, decided to maintain one of the most important parts of the system. And the way he chooses is removing everything that I

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
It's not cosmetic. The point is it has a completely different packaging style and philosophy. I want to package the Linux kernel in the same way the rest of Debian is packaged, that's all. Until now you have failed to provide a reason for that, other than cosmetic reasons. Please

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Or they found a sane trade-off between optimisations and compatibility (see Wiki page below which was born in discission!). You did not discuss it. You took your own ideas as guidelines for the future kernel development. No, I

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:51:50PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: They won't. Just like Glibc maintainers don't provide optimised packages I don't see why should I provide them. Note that it is no longer true for current sid packages. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ apt-cache search

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
I'm not removing anything. All I do is providing an alternative. If you don't like my alternative, you may keep using the current scheme. The impression after reaIding the initial discussion was that this ITP intends to replace the old scheme. If this is not true, I will stop my complains.

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:36:54PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: I don't know about your packages, but for mine testing is indeed a non-negligeable amount of work. And as my package are not hardware-dependent I don't need to doublecheck that they work on all 11 architectures. Your packages

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:54:32AM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: It's not cosmetic. The point is it has a completely different packaging style and philosophy. I want to package the Linux kernel in the same way the rest of Debian is packaged, that's all. Until now you have failed

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:00:07PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: No, I took the ideas from the thousands of packages in Debian. How many of them provide optimised binaries? [...] If you want me to provide optimised binaries, then this is you who should go and get the consensus. So instead

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 05:15:17PM]: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:54:32AM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: It's not cosmetic. The point is it has a completely different packaging style and philosophy. I want to package the Linux kernel in the same way the

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
reopen 219582 thanks Your useless attempt to close the bug proves you have no real interest on consensus. I'll remember that next time you mention the c word. On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:00:57PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: See:

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 01:58:29PM +0100, Mateusz Papiernik wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: We're all very interested in *real* evidence here, because there hasn't been any in the past. If you don't have any evidence, you can expect people to call bullshit on this. I can't send any *evidence*

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:27:42PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: No, I took the ideas from the thousands of packages in Debian. How many of them provide optimised binaries? Where do you see an inconsistence in my argumentation? libssl and atlas are examples whehere optimisations make

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:37:53PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Everything you mentioned there has been declared as pointless in this thread. You came up with that, but I'm not going to repeat the same discussion. Now paste a link or withdraw your claim. I won't do anything

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 05:00:07PM]: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Or they found a sane trade-off between optimisations and compatibility (see Wiki page below which was born in discission!). You did not discuss it. You took your

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 06:27:35PM]: See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200311/msg00414.html Everything you mentioned there has been declared as pointless in this thread. You came up with that, but I'm not going to repeat

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue, assuming that user is never right

2003-11-08 Thread Mathieu Roy
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 01:58:29PM +0100, Mateusz Papiernik wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: We're all very interested in *real* evidence here, because there hasn't been any in the past. If you don't have any evidence, you can expect people to call

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 08 November 2003 19:27, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 05:00:07PM]: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Or they found a sane trade-off between optimisations and compatibility (see Wiki page below which was

Re: ITP: ircd-ptlink -- IRC Server from PTlink

2003-11-08 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 12:59:49PM +0100, Duck wrote: * Package name: ircd-ptlink Hmm, is this a hybrid fork? we already have oftc-hybrid in the archive... The SSL client connections sound interesting though. Maybe some patches can be exchanged in the future to add this support to hybrid,

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:18:16PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: What not rename linux-kernel-headers to simple system-headers-linux? This will prevent confused users (or: lazy to read the description users) from asking this

Re: Bug#218832: ITP: libnettle -- a low-level cryptographic library

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
[Follows set to debian-legal.] On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:22:31PM -0500, John Belmonte wrote: If the library as a whole must be under GPL license, how is it significant that parts of it were once under LGPL or on the public domain? The purpose of the License field is to tell the user what

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Er, actually, last I heard, the author was still looking into relicensing it in a manner consistent with XFree86's requirements. (They don't accept GPLed code.)

monstrous arse [Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86]

2003-11-08 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux | willfully entering an arse-kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] | contest with a monstrous entity

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:48:29PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:35:55PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: If you're renaming them anyway, why not follow Policy 8.1 and s/t1lib/libt1-/ (yielding libt1-1, etc.)? Yes, I thought about it. But there is no strict rule in

Re: Bug#219719: ITP: gnome-jabber -- A Jabber client for GNOME

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 05:19, Sebastian D.B. Krause wrote: * Package name: gnome-jabber Description : A Jabber client for GNOME Drop the leading 'A'. Is all that distinguishes this client that it is written using GNOME libraries? If not, drop 'for GNOME' as well. Gnome Jabber is an

Re: ITP: ircd-ptlink -- IRC Server from PTlink

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 07:06, Duck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Coin, This ITP was badly written as it was my first attempt, sorry. Here is a better one with an improved Description : * Package name: ircd-ptlink Version : 6.16.1 Upstream

Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 07:41, Duck wrote: Songwrite is a guitar tablature (fingering notation) editor and player, quite similar to TablEdit. In addition to tablatures, it also supports staff, lyrics and drums. Printing and playing support are available through external programs. Songwrite

Re: Bug#219251: ITP: ircservices-ptlink -- IRC Services for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 08:01, Duck wrote: ircservices-ptlink provides powerful IRC services (NickServ, ChanServ, MemoServ, NewsServ and OperServ) for the PTlink IRC server. Vlinks, securemode, guestnicks and logonnews are supported. Very good. -- Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: Bug#219276: ITP: ircopm-ptlink -- Open Proxy Monitor for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 08:09, Duck wrote: ircopm-ptlink provides a security service for the PTlink IRC server. This service is able to scan clients on connect for open proxies, and add G-lines on them for security purpose if needed. Excellent! Could you have a look at my first bad writtent

Re: Bug#219277: ITP: gnusound -- Powerful sound editor

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 06:06, Duck wrote: You'r right, Powerful is not adequate, i just took author's descriptionw without taking care of it. I asked the author if it was possible to use it without gnome support and he said it was not, so i suggest this : s/Powerful /gnome / In the long

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
It's not cosmetic. The point is it has a completely different packaging style and philosophy. I want to package the Linux kernel in the same way the rest of Debian is packaged, that's all. Until now you have failed to provide a reason for that, other than cosmetic

Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:11:30PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote: Songwrite is a tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player entirely written in Python. Is 'partitions' the right word here? (I honestly don't know.) No. I'd say guitar tablature notation editor. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: webmin and usermin package descriptions

2003-11-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 03:18:30PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: There was discussion here a while ago about the package descriptions in webmin and usermin not quite being up to snuff. Now that the package reorganization has been completed, would someone (Joe?) like to review them and give me

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-08 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:57, Yven Johannes Leist wrote: Well, I for one would love to see a security announcement one day, which contains something like: All users running the standard Debian kernel are not affected, since the special security features the Debian kernel contains prevent the

Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-08 Thread Alexander Winston
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 15:18, Joe Drew wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 07:41, Duck wrote: Songwrite is a guitar tablature (fingering notation) editor and player, quite similar to TablEdit. In addition to tablatures, it also supports staff, lyrics and drums. Printing and playing support

Re: Bug#219719: ITP: gnome-jabber -- A Jabber client for GNOME

2003-11-08 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 11:19, Sebastian D.B. Krause wrote: I'll provide an official package as soon as Gnome Jabber 0.4 is released. A first package for testing has been created and is available at http://buug.de/~sheskar/debian/. At the moment it is a native Debian package because it is based

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-08 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: OTOH, if you provide me good arguments why I should change name of t1lib, and good explanation why a new package, let's say rsplib, does not conform to this rule, I will not insist anymore. 1) Consistency is good, and makes

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:33:15 + Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please provide carefully documented evidence of the performance gains that you are claiming, not handwaving. Evidence of a difference is not the same thing; anybody who has any experience with low-level programming

Re: webmin and usermin package descriptions

2003-11-08 Thread Joe Drew
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:18, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: webmin | Description: Web-based administration toolkit web-based administration toolkit (i.e., decapitalise Web). toolkit is also maybe not the right word for this task, but I admit my ignorance of webmin. tool? interface? | Webmin is a

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:33:30PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: 1. You want to use CDBS, which might be a nice hack, but it's hardly normal. I don't recall listing CDBS as one of the advantages. 2. kernel-image-* contains images in a deb. 3. You seem to have a problem

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue, assuming that user is never right

2003-11-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003, Mathieu Roy wrote: People knows all about placebo effect, but do you have any evidence that there is nothing more than placebo effect? It's normal for the person claiming that there are two populations to provide appropriate data and statistics to back up the claim.[1] By

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-08 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:16:35AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:57, Yven Johannes Leist wrote: Well, I for one would love to see a security announcement one day, which contains something like: All users running the standard Debian kernel are not affected, since the

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-08 Thread Florian Weimer
Billy Biggs wrote: [...] Lot of new HW has a better chance to be (better) supported on newer system (are new kernels available for stable?) Of particular interest to desktop users is XFree86's video card drivers. Or, increasingly, GE NIC support. (For X support, current unstable isn't

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:33:15 + Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all very interested in *real* evidence here, because there hasn't been any in the past. If you don't have any evidence, you can expect people to call bullshit on this. Gentoo # time bzip2 -9k

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-08 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Er, actually, last I heard, the author was still looking into relicensing it in a manner

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread David Nusinow
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:34:33PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Consider how long it takes for us to get XFree86 4.3.0 out, when most of the other distro's are already shipping with 4.3.0, and the CVS tree generally works just fine for i386. I'm told one of the reasons for this is because

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Glenn McGrath [Sun, Nov 09 2003, 09:53:26AM]: We're all very interested in *real* evidence here, because there hasn't been any in the past. If you don't have any evidence, you can expect people to call bullshit on this. Gentoo What does that mean? Gentoo uses a

Re: Bug#218832: ITP: libnettle -- a low-level cryptographic library

2003-11-08 Thread John Belmonte
Branden, I don't disagree with anything you've stated regarding my sloppy arguments. However, as you are implying on a public forum that I don't grasp the subject matter of licenses, I'm going to defend myself a little. I wrote, unfortunately, If the library as a whole must be under GPL

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-08 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:27PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: I would like to inform you, that some important changes happened to t1lib 1.3.1-4[1] package. I changed the naming scheme. All binary packages contain version in its name, i.e.: t1lib-dev is now named t1lib1-dev. Of course

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-08 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:28:50PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: 3. You seem to have a problem with the kernel-source-* packges, which I honestly don't follow. Do you understand what standarisation means? Is that your problem? Having source distributed in binary packages? Then

Re: Bug#218832: ITP: libnettle -- a low-level cryptographic library

2003-11-08 Thread Marek Habersack
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:11:53PM -0500, John Belmonte scribbled: [snip] I'm interested in the notion of license metadata for file packages (in the general sense)-- what the semantics would be, whether or how it could be useful, etc. As someone pointed out, there is no such thing for

Re: Bug#218832: ITP: libnettle -- a low-level cryptographic library

2003-11-08 Thread John Belmonte
Marek Habersack wrote: In fact, I'm considering adding a list of files in the library and their associated licenses to the README.Debian in the package once it hits Sid (I've uploaded it already). I grew aware of problems with licensing while working on Caudium. We, as the Caudium Group, don't own

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-08 Thread Michael Poole
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # time bzip2 -9k linux-2.6.0-test5.tar real2m40.974s user2m33.679s ... user2m49.316s Even then, it's about only 10 percent. Let's compare them with vanilla kernel, optimised for P4: What are you trying to measure here? If you want to

Re: Bug#218832: ITP: libnettle -- a low-level cryptographic library

2003-11-08 Thread Marek Habersack
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:57:36PM -0500, John Belmonte scribbled: Marek Habersack wrote: In fact, I'm considering adding a list of files in the library and their associated licenses to the README.Debian in the package once it hits Sid (I've uploaded it already). I grew aware of problems with

Re: monstrous arse [Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86]

2003-11-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 12:02:08PM -0800, Tom wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 02:52:09PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux | willfully entering an arse-kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#219277: ITP: gnusound -- Powerful sound editor

2003-11-08 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You'r right, i checked and saw it is not part of the GNU project. I contacted the upstream author and explained him the problem. He should sort out his situation in a near future. I suggested him to mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask about entering the

GPM to 1.20.1?

2003-11-08 Thread Ken Bloom
Is it possible to upgrade GPM in unstable to 1.20.1 (at least) which has been out for a long time now. It would fix a lot of brokenness in GPM. There was a previous discussion in March about this topic, nothing ever came of it.

Accepted pybliographer 1.1.93-4 (all source)

2003-11-08 Thread Chris Lawrence
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 01:09:09 -0600 Source: pybliographer Binary: pybliographer Architecture: source all Version: 1.1.93-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Chris Lawrence [EMAIL

Accepted xfce4-artwork 0.0.4-2 (all source)

2003-11-08 Thread Andrew Lau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:40:27 +1100 Source: xfce4-artwork Binary: xfce4-artwork Architecture: source all Version: 0.0.4-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andrew Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andrew Lau [EMAIL

Accepted fontconfig 2.2.1-11 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:44:56 +0100 Source: fontconfig Binary: libfontconfig1 fontconfig-udeb fontconfig libfontconfig1-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.2.1-11 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Josselin Mouette

Accepted phalanx 22-9 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Milan Zamazal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:44:25 +0100 Source: phalanx Binary: phalanx Architecture: source i386 Version: 22-9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted bugreporter-udeb 0.5 (all source)

2003-11-08 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:11:54 +0100 Source: bugreporter-udeb Binary: bugreporter-udeb Architecture: source all Version: 0.5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Petter

Accepted autopartkit 0.65 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:40:12 +0100 Source: autopartkit Binary: autopartkit Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.65 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Petter

Accepted aap 1.044-4 (all source)

2003-11-08 Thread Cory Dodt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 05:23:32 + Source: aap Binary: aap aap-doc Architecture: source all Version: 1.044-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Cory Dodt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Cory Dodt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted alltraxclock 2.0.2-0 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Romain Lerallut
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:53:46 +0100 Source: alltraxclock Binary: gkrellm-alltraxclock Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.0.2-0 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Romain Lerallut [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Romain

Accepted epos 1:2.5.19-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Milan Zamazal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:20:59 +0100 Source: epos Binary: epos Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:2.5.19-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted tlf 0.9.7-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-08 Thread Joop Stakenborg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:37:49 +0100 Source: tlf Binary: tlf Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.7-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Joop Stakenborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Joop Stakenborg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted scons 0.94-1 (all source)

2003-11-08 Thread Mark Brown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:49:24 + Source: scons Binary: scons Architecture: source all Version: 0.94-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description:

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