Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 01:27, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ben Finney wrote: Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] [Frankly, if you're concerned about whether someone has seen your mail, surely the ack from the BTS is sufficent.

Re: I *love* goodbye-microsoft.com

2007-02-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Saturday 24 February 2007 23:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: social contract, and fedora (and I came to debian before fedora and haven't paid that much attention to fedora) as hobbled by it's client status to redhat, which is a shame because I had hoped when fedora came about it might have the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, Am Mo den 26. Feb 2007 um 3:03 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: errrm, let me think. YES ! [some calculation] so well, hmm let me think again ... YES THIS IS A DAMN PERFECT ARGUMENT. Sorry, but NO. It only shows that there is more

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 02:35]: If a maintainer keeps doing uploads we can be almost sure that he is not ignoring bugs too. Especially with the big packages used as example why this would be hard this is not obvious, and I think for many packages it is even simply not true.

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:32:41PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:55:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: And btw, help for bug triaging for any of those kind of packages is vastly appreciated... But here is a newsflash: 100 bugs is fairly easy to reduce. the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 03:03]: So now let's do a simple calculation. 100 bugs, 20 minutes, that's 2000 minutes, over 6 weeks, that's 333 minutes a week, meaning at least 6 hours a half of work. Just to keep up with bugs. Of completely tedious work. Add to that:

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ron Johnson: Does the BTS ack *mean* that an actual living breathing human has eyeballed the bug? No, it doesn't. But would an ack from a human being mean that the bug will be fixed in due course? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nikita V. Youshchenko: What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with severity = normal? I don't think fiddling with testing propagation in this way is a good idea. After all, even if the package has

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:26:45PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with severity = normal? Honestly,

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:20:31AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:35:48PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: OK. But is there not a fairly sizeable team working on KDE packaging for Debian? No. FYI, the KDE team is currently about 6 *active* members, 3 working a

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:45:24AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 03:03]: So now let's do a simple calculation. 100 bugs, 20 minutes, that's 2000 minutes, over 6 weeks, that's 333 minutes a week, meaning at least 6 hours a half of work. Just to

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 11:05]: Stripping KDE, php, xorg, gnome, iceweasel, the libc out of stable would indeed make releases a lot less painful. xorg just sees activitiy to look at bugs (and it was really overdue), libc is a beast of itself. For the others I have no

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Pierre Habouzit [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 02:32:28AM]: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:27:29PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:12:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You and others are most welcome to take a stab at the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Marco d'Itri [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 02:36:13AM]: On Feb 26, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You and others cannot substitute for a response *from the package maintainer* acknowledging (or otherwise) the bug report. That's the criterion being discussed here: not a

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 09:56 +0100, Klaus Ethgen a écrit : Sorry, but NO. It only shows that there is more people needed for maintaining the package! Yes. We need more people to maintain GNOME, KDE, X.org, the glibc, OOo, and Mozilla. Any volunteers around? -- .''`. : :' : We are

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 10:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : Now let's think a bit: - iceweasel is Eric and Mike (2 people): 528 bugs. - XSF packages is (mostly I think) Julien and David (2 people): I'd say more than 900 bugs (500 on xorg solely). - OOo.org is René (_1_

Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young
Hello, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If you want to write a plugin, however (as opposed to an applet that is shown on a page), then you could indeed use the netscape plugin API (which is supported by almost every browser for the Linux platform). You should probably ask the mozilla people about that,

Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young
Hendrik, This was more or less what I wanted to be assured of. Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Mittwoch 21 Februar 2007 12:11 schrieb Howard Young: This very much depends on what you want to do. Netscape-style plugins work in many browsers, e.g. konqueror can use them, too, like it uses the

Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Howard, I can guarantee you that ActiveX plug-ins don't and won't work in Linux-native browsers. I am guessing you think I mean to use ActiveX through WINE or some such thing? Do not worry that had not been my intention I was

Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Howard Young wrote: I have never heard of Web2.0 before? I will go and find out what this is. Now you are some lucky person. You may also want to look at XSwallow: http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/Packages/XSwallow.html -- Sam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#412488: ITP: midas -- the European Southern Observatory Munich Image Data Analysis System

2007-02-26 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alastair McKinstry [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: midas Version : 2006.09 Upstream Author : The European Southern Observatory * URL : http://www.eso.org/projects/esomidas/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote: A good example already comes to my mind where the maintainer is doing uploads but only for bugs that have RC priority or important and are easy to fix. Not matching this criteria? Then you are simply ignored. No answer. Not one single word

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread paddy
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:05:10PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:26:45PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Hello. What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 26 February 2007, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Feb 26, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You and others cannot substitute for a response *from the package maintainer* acknowledging (or otherwise) the bug report. That's the criterion being discussed here: not a resolution for the

please help

2007-02-26 Thread amritham_ gamaya
Sir, I am working in an school. Our new HCL PC with SATA HDD doesn't support school linux (debian)software . I can Knew through some reliable sources that If we get driver files of it ,it is easy to install. I searched for it in internet several times, but i can't get

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: no we can't, as an example I had a bugrapport (with patch) open on desktop-base for over a year, no reply. It came up in discussion at debian-desktop list and turns out the maintainer list had somehow gotten unsubscribed from the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:51:25PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: 1) you don't want to leave people hanging (as an exercise in understanding the users point of view pretend it's an ftpmaster or other central project function that

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-02-26, Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xorg just sees activitiy to look at bugs (and it was really overdue), libc is a beast of itself. For the others I have no strong preference, the x-maintainers have been lucky by having a Brice Gogling suddenly dropping in and pinging all

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:51:25PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: Instead of forging crappy excuses to say every time I lack time to do this or that, which is with time, frustrating and demotivating enough. SO rather than sending excuses-templates, it's not an excuse template it's: - an

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 03:48, Florian Weimer wrote: * Ron Johnson: Does the BTS ack *mean* that an actual living breathing human has eyeballed the bug? No, it doesn't. Ok. That was was I read from Don Armstrong's post, though. But would an ack from a

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 26 February 2007, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-02-26, Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bug reports might be read, but not answered. There is no reason to send a content-less pong to a bug report. there most definately is a point: A user sending a bug report is a user

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-02-26, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of those are obvious plusses in the big picture view of the project as= =20 whole and the relationship of the project with our users. Welcome as the new helper in the kde bugs in debian. /me goes back to his bugs for now.

Re: I *love* goodbye-microsoft.com

2007-02-26 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:49:13 +1100 Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not register change-linux.com and have it document how to convert between all the different distributions? If someone finds that Debian doesn't suit them then I welcome them to change to Fedora - they may change

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: I was previously beeing ironic, now I'm not anymore. No, previously you were being sarcastic. There is a difference between the two. I find it quite amusing that you are arguing here that you should not have to respond to people reporting

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 26 February 2007 10:57, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Now let's think a bit: - iceweasel is Eric and Mike (2 people): 528 bugs. - XSF packages is (mostly I think) Julien and David (2 people): I'd say more than 900 bugs (500 on xorg solely). - OOo.org is René (_1_ active

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:10:09 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: There is a thing to know about bugs, answering hey, I got your mail is useless Hi Pierre, I'm a user, not a developer. I've filed perhaps a couple of a dozen bugs, and I find great value in a reply which has no content other than

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:40:07 +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: Just an ack, would alleviate frustration on the users' part enourmously. I'm thinking of something like the following: I've seen your bug report, at first glance fixing it seems to have lower priority then A, B, and

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mistakely send this not as followup to the list: Hi, Am Mo den 26. Feb 2007 um 12:02 schrieb Josselin Mouette: Any volunteers around? Sure. For doing some Work on such projects as glibc (Low level tools, I'm not the frontend programmer). But then

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:07:20PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: I was previously beeing ironic, now I'm not anymore. No, previously you were being sarcastic. There is a difference between the two. I find it quite amusing that you are

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-02-26, Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. For doing some Work on such projects as glibc (Low level tools, I'm not the frontend programmer). But then come to another problem, (and In the kde team where I are, we work in a svn archive where non-DDs like me have commit access -

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:31:49PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Sure. For doing some Work on such projects as glibc (Low level tools, I'm not the frontend programmer). But then come to another problem, (and yes, I know there is the possibility to have a sponsor) how to just help without being a

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:39:57AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:31:49PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Sure. For doing some Work on such projects as glibc (Low level tools, I'm not the frontend programmer). But then come to another problem, (and yes, I know there

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 14:28]: Hey, I was speaking about not releasing such packages at all (perhaps except libc and the kernel (at least until hurd is ready ;-)). So Eh? you say that they should not migrate to testing ? To cite myself: | Sorry to say it that way. But

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 26 February 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:07:20PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: I was previously beeing ironic, now I'm not anymore. No, previously you were being sarcastic. There is a difference

Re: Looking for a temporary account on Alpha

2007-02-26 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:33:08PM +0100, Frank B. Brokken wrote: Dear Steve Langasek, you wrote: The intention here is to use size_t in situations where the value is known to be non-negative. I don't see any reason why you should use size_t for that instead of unsigned int.

Bug#412532: ITP: postgresql-plsh -- PL/sh procedural language for PostgreSQL.

2007-02-26 Thread Filipe Lautert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Filipe Lautert [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: postgresql-plsh Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://plsh.projects.postgresql.org/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:14:17PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 14:28]: But Pierre argued that handling bugs is tedious work and there is no time for all of them and still packaging new upstreams. I meant that you have to choose a balance between

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:57:46AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:20:31AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:35:48PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: OK. But is there not a fairly sizeable team working on KDE packaging for

Re: wodim compatibility with external programs

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Package: gnomebaker Hi, It's usually best to file a bug for things like this. Did that with this mail. On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:08:23PM +0100, Thanatermesis - Elive wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 wodim replaces cdrecord and the external applications like gnomebaker

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: it's not an excuse template it's: - an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is apreciated - an indication the effort will _not_ be ignored in the long run - an indication that actual fixing of the bug will take a while If

Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miguel Gea Milvaques [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: aes2501-wy Version : ? Upstream Author : Wittawat Yamwong * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : BSD like Programming Lang: C Description : userspace

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 01:27, Don Armstrong wrote: [Frankly, if you're concerned about whether someone has seen your mail, surely the ack from the BTS is sufficent. Anything else requires someone to actually do the work.] Does the BTS ack *mean* that an

Bug#412570: ITP: fldigi -- digital modem program for hamradio operators

2007-02-26 Thread Joop Stakenborg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joop Stakenborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: fldigi Version : 1.30 Upstream Author : David H. Freese [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, many people discussed about answering bug reports: ... I'm soory, but I tried to safe my time and went over most of the mails in this thread but one point I was missing (only one mail of Cobaco was touching the idea a little bit): Not answering a bug report is IMHO at

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 26 February 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: The goal appears to be to have bugs responded to instantly by maintainers and fixed rapidly. No, very wrong: - bugs don't need instant response, they need reasonably timely response (say within 2 weeks on average) - BUT, _if_ no triage on the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Andreas Tille wrote: A maintainer who refuses to respond to a reasonable bug report of a user does not deserve any user. It's not a case of maintainers refusing to respond, it's a case of some maintainers of some packagages drowning in bugs and not being able to respond to

Re: Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Evgeni Golov
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:28 +0100 Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote: Command line scanning sofware for AES2501B usb fingerprint reader. The ouput are gray pnm files with quite good quality. Please mention Authentec (the vendor) and the places where you can find this reader (Medion MD85264 USB

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Warren Turkal
This is from the perspective of a non-DD systems administrator. While most maintainers are good. Some are pretty lousy with regard to addressing issue even when one is proactive about finding a solution. On Monday 26 February 2007 14:55, Don Armstrong wrote: I don't believe any maintainer of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:31:49PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Mistakely send this not as followup to the list: Hi, Am Mo den 26. Feb 2007 um 12:02 schrieb Josselin Mouette: Any volunteers around? Sure. For doing some Work on such projects as glibc (Low level tools, I'm not the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SO rather than sending excuses-templates, when I've had time to check the bug is actually there, I do use the confirmed tag to: * ack this is an actual bug ; * ack that I've been able to reproduce it (hence implying that I've read the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Di den 27. Feb 2007 um 0:11 schrieb David Nusinow: we currently have a space open for anyone interested in picking up the beryl packaging, as Shawn has been taking time off. It's a golden opportunity to work on one of the hottest pieces of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just for reference, what is currently sent is the following[1]: Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian. ^- an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is appreciated This is an automatically generated reply, to let

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is apreciated - an indication the effort will _not_ be ignored in the long run - an indication that actual fixing of the bug will take a while I think this is significantly more than the

Re: please help

2007-02-26 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, amritham_ gamaya wrote: Sir, I am working in an school. Our new HCL PC with SATA HDD doesn't support school linux (debian)software . I can Knew through some reliable sources that If we get driver files of it ,it is easy to install. I searched for

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:10:09 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: There is a thing to know about bugs, answering hey, I got your mail is useless I'm a user, not a developer. I've filed perhaps a couple of a dozen bugs, and I find great value in a reply

Re: Looking for a temporary account on Alpha

2007-02-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:33:08PM +0100, Frank B. Brokken wrote: I don't see any reason why you should use size_t for that instead of unsigned int. size_t is intended for use in describing the size of objects in memory, not just for anything you know should be non-negative. Hm, well,

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing that has been discussed in this thread necessarily means that an actual human being has done anything, as it's trivial to write an automated response bot for maintainers for every bug. In the bug submitter's perspective, even notification of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernhard R Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it is a time that is well invested. If a maintainer does not look at the bugs, he cannot give them due priority. Thus a maintainer needs to look at them anyhow and do a fast assessment how important it is, how much work it would involve to fix it

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: Honestly, this would kill almost any larger package. You sound like it would not make the maintainers care more about their bugs and start answering them. I think that's a very valid concern. One of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 20:36:21 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I have to completely disagree here. When I started in earnest with the effort to clean up the sasl package, I literally spent three twelve hour days in a row doing nothing but bug triage. I really am not surprised that people

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is apreciated - an indication the effort will _not_ be ignored in the long run - an indication that actual fixing of the bug will take a while

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 18:48:49 +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: - XSF packages is (mostly I think) Julien and David (2 people): I'd say more than 900 bugs (500 on xorg solely). Add to that Drew Parsons, Michel Dänzer (who mostly helps with the harder bugs), and Brice Goglin (who

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:04:03AM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 20:36:21 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I have to completely disagree here. When I started in earnest with the effort to clean up the sasl package, I literally spent three twelve hour days in a row

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Ben Finney wrote: The goal as I understood the OP was to discourage letting bugs (of 'normal' severity or above) sit unacknowledged while the package moves forward with further uploads. There was nothing in the proposal about addressing the speed of fixes. Allow me to

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: Would it be hard to add functionallity to the BTS that e-mails the maintainer once every week with a list of bugs for his packages that have been unanswered for 2 weeks or more? The code to the BTS is publicly available at

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:37:10PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Thus, if you have a package with any unanswered important or normal bugs, it will not progress. In order to assure propogation, you must respond rapidly to any bug that is filed with these severities, even though this has nothing

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:30:23 +0100, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just for reference, what is currently sent is the following[1]: Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian. ^- an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of whining. *That* would help. For example, these three packages I have listed in this mail, they

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:40:07 +0100, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Ben Finney wrote: The goal as I understood the OP was to discourage letting bugs (of 'normal' severity or above) sit unacknowledged while the package moves forward with further uploads. There was nothing in the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:30:23 +0100, Ben Finney wrote: There's a huge difference, though, in the effect on the submitter between receiving an automated your report *will in the future* be read by a human being, ...which most submitters will

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: what would be so bad about requiring that every = important bug be tagged (either confirmed, forwarded, non-reproducible, moreinfo, or upstream) or simply closed? All bugs *should* be dealt with, but requiring that it be done is counter productive

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:37:54PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: All bugs *should* be dealt with, but requiring that it be done is counter productive when maintainers are unable to keep up with the bugs that they already have. High numbers of unresponded bugs are an indication that a

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Brian May
Don == Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don It's not a case of maintainers refusing to respond, it's a Don case of some maintainers of some packagages drowning in bugs Don and not being able to respond to all of them. [I don't Don believe any maintainer of packages, given

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Joey Hess
If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear to be from the

heimdal and ldap

2007-02-26 Thread Brian May
Hello, I have a bug in heimdal-kdc: http://bugs.debian.org/385809 That is caused because Heimdal is linked against an old version of libldap, and the new version changes the location of the socket path. However as far as I can tell, it is not possible to link against the latest version of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Eric Dorland
* Reid Priedhorsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of whining. *That* would help. For example,

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that have not had a maintainer response ... This is

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:37:10PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit : Allow me to quote from the OP: What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with severity = normal? Thus, if you have a package

Re: heimdal and ldap

2007-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a bug in heimdal-kdc: http://bugs.debian.org/385809 That is caused because Heimdal is linked against an old version of libldap, and the new version changes the location of the socket path. However as far as I can tell, it is not possible to link

Re: Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-02-26 at 23:09 +0100, Evgeni Golov wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:28 +0100 Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote: Command line scanning sofware for AES2501B usb fingerprint reader. The ouput are gray pnm files with quite good quality. Please mention Authentec (the vendor) and the

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:01:17PM -0600, Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:03:39AM +0100, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And not only when bug are fixed don't we get feedback. We sometimes also face non-responsiveness to our requests for more precisions on the bug... Ironically, most of the time, this happens with unreproducible bugs.

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And not only when bug are fixed don't we get feedback. We sometimes also face non-responsiveness to our requests for more precisions on the bug... Ironically, most of the time, this happens with unreproducible bugs.

Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs

2007-02-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:42:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:37:10PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Thus, if you have a package with any unanswered important or normal bugs, it will not progress. In order to assure propogation, you must

Re: Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Joey Hess
Lars Wirzenius wrote: The Fujitsu-Siemens P7120 seems to contain one as well. Confirmed, and I can use it with this program. Which BTW is at http://gkall.hobby.nl/authentec.html I'd post the beautiful fingerprint scan I just did, but that's perhaps not a great idea. ;-) -- see shy jo

Accepted bbsload 0.2.8-2 (source amd64)

2007-02-26 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:57:35 +0100 Source: bbsload Binary: bbsload Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.2.8-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael Ablassmeier [EMAIL

Accepted windowlab 1.33-4 (source amd64)

2007-02-26 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:27:01 +0100 Source: windowlab Binary: windowlab Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.33-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael Ablassmeier [EMAIL

Accepted dnsdoctor 1.0.0-3 (source all)

2007-02-26 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:30:28 +0100 Source: dnsdoctor Binary: dnsdoctor-cgi dnsdoctor Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael

Accepted amsynth 1.2.0-2 (source amd64)

2007-02-26 Thread Free Ekanayaka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:48:21 +0100 Source: amsynth Binary: amsynth Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.2.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Team debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org Changed-By: Free

Accepted rosegarden 1:1.5.0-2 (source all amd64)

2007-02-26 Thread Free Ekanayaka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:18:58 +0100 Source: rosegarden Binary: rosegarden2 rosegarden4 rosegarden-data rosegarden Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1:1.5.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Team

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