On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:29:55 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
So while I'd love to have a way to have -dbg packages available for
every binary, I actually am happy with this proposal to do it for only
every library (plus whatever other binaries really need it). And it's
a direction
On 2007-04-22, Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested to see some numbers on the archive size impact - my
experience with C++ suggests that the size inflation caused by debug
symbols can be enormous.
Openoffice currently ships a -g1 -dbg package. If it wasn't -g1, the deb
would
Hi all,
I've recently adopted texmacs package and to fix a grave bug
I uploaded the package in experimental to unstable with
a fix but I found that changelogs of a package in experimental
and unstable are mutually independent, i.e. the one isn't a
subset of the other.
In this case, what is the
Hi all,
I maintain texmacs with a co-maintainer who is not a DD yet
but don't know exactly how to set him up in a control file
(or anywhere).
developers-reference teaches me;
Add the co-maintainer's correct maintainer name and address
to the Uploaders field in the global part of the
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 04:49:41PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
developers-reference teaches me;
Add the co-maintainer's correct maintainer name and address
to the Uploaders field in the global part of the debian/control
file.
But the co-maintainer can't upload a package yet so I'm
Hi,
* Atsuhito Kohda [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-23 10:11]:
I maintain texmacs with a co-maintainer who is not a DD yet
but don't know exactly how to set him up in a control file
(or anywhere).
developers-reference teaches me;
Add the co-maintainer's correct maintainer name and address
Le dimanche 22 avril 2007 à 20:39 +0100, Neil Williams a écrit :
I'd like to see all library source packages having a minimum of 4
binary packages required by Policy: the SONAME, the -dev, the -dbg and
a -doc package. (Libraries for perl or other non-compiled languages
would be exempt from
On 4/22/07, Marcus Better [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Torsten Werner wrote:
I call the binary package
libcommons-configuration-java but not the source package.
This is one of the two conventions used by the Java packaging team (and IMHO
the best option), cf. commons-logging and commons-daemon
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* Package name: python-asterisk
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Programming
Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Hi all,
I've recently adopted texmacs package and to fix a grave bug
I uploaded the package in experimental to unstable with
a fix but I found that changelogs of a package in experimental
and unstable are mutually independent, i.e. the one isn't a
subset of the other.
Package: wnpp
Owner: Varun Hiremath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libjflac-java
Version : 1.2
Upstream Author : David R Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL or Web page : http://jflac.sourceforge.net/
* License : BSD
Description : Java Free Lossless
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Kartik Mistry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: fontypython
Version : 0.2.0
Upstream Author : Donn.C.Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython
* License : GPL
Description : Manage
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 11:30:32PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
On 4/2/07, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, the patches.ubuntu.com website and
equivalent mailing of changes to the Debian PTS and ubuntu-patches
mailing list has been offline, or at
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:52:09 +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
Often the package in experimental gets superseded with a package in
unstable at a later time (i.e. weeks or even months later). In that
case the new package uploaded to unstable should most probably
incorporate the changelog entries
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:59:44 +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote:
But the co-maintainer can't upload a package yet so I'm
not sure if this is true in my case.
You can still just add him to the Uploaders field.
I see.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:32:14 +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
The package will show
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:38:15AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 08:26:38PM -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
I'd be interested to see some numbers on the archive size impact - my
experience with C++ suggests that the size inflation caused by
Hi everybody,
in the last months or even years, xmltex and passivetex have been
basically unmaintained (and they *do* have bugs), and responses from the
list which is listed as maintainer are very rare. jadetex is actually
maintained by you, Ohura-san, but maybe gets not as much care as it
could
Am Montag, den 23.04.2007, 15:46 +0200 schrieb Frank Küster:
in the last months or even years, xmltex and passivetex have been
basically unmaintained (and they *do* have bugs), and responses from the
list which is listed as maintainer are very rare. jadetex is actually
maintained by you,
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Upstream Author : Jon Oberheide [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* License : GPL-2
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:35:13PM +0300, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 00:00 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
Did it require a manual action from ftp-master ? Either way I guess
it takes a few days to happen.
It requires manual action. There's a bug open for its removal:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 10:20:55PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
cdebootstrap sid failed today :
O: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
O: libsasl2: Depends: libsasl2-2 (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+b1) but 2.1.22.dfsg1-9
is to be
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:29:55PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Even with separated debugging symbols, -dbg packages are frequently
larger than the package they provide debugging symbols for. See for
example xserver-xorg-core-dbg. Looking through the 227 lib*-dbg
packages, I found few contain
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 11:28:06PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:38:15AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 08:26:38PM -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
I'd be interested to see some numbers on the
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:06:55PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
The point is that it's pretty useless to have a backtrace without line
numbers. It would be interesting if there was an option similar to -g1,
but that would keep the line numbers (without the burden of keeping the
whole source code)
On 22-Apr-07, 17:29 (CDT), Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:40:45PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 22-Apr-07, 16:22 (CDT), Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because segfaults are often not easily reproduced. Having the ability to
analyse a
On 22-Apr-07, 17:01 (CDT), Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. Why a seperate -doc? API docs should be part of the -dev package.
In practice, such attitudes are commonly expressed as RTSL. (Read The
Source, Luke). That does NOT encourage upstream usage of Debian as a
distro.
Is
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:10:15PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 07:06:55PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
The point is that it's pretty useless to have a backtrace without line
numbers. It would be interesting if there was an option similar to -g1,
let's say you need to build from source a program such as gimp which has
many library dependencies. You don't know what they are, and you want debian
to auto-install the -dev packages you need. apt-get build-dep is your
friend.
/etc/apt [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get build-dep gimp
Reading package
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
It would be nice if the standard iso images that Debian makes
available could be made to exclude -dbg packages as a trade-off. It
actually felt painful someday when doing jigdo on the archive, only to
see loads of -dbg packages getting downloaded, and knowing I
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:29:55 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
So while I'd love to have a way to have -dbg packages available for
every binary, I actually am happy with this proposal to do it for only
every library (plus whatever other binaries really need
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
Yes, it's deliberate. People rarely need them just because they're
debugging something linked to libc.so.6. Having them slows down GDB
startup and increases its memory usage, for _every_ debug session.
Ok. Of course, this is also generally an argument against having
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
Are you sure the source code is in there with -g? I was pretty sure it
wasn't, only line numbers.
You're right, it doesn't include the actual code, but the size is
still roughly porportional to the size of the code in the library.
--
see shy jo
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I've stopped Beryl for now since they are officially merging with compiz. I
need to speak to the compiz maintainer.
I have 0.2.1 in a local git repository but im likely just going to chuck it
out. With the merge its moot now.
- Original Message
From: Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Mike Hommey wrote:
The point is that it's pretty useless to have a backtrace without line
numbers.
That depends on whether the problem you're debugging is a bug in the
library itself, or only a bug triggered by code that calls the library,
or in code called by the library.
--
see shy jo
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
Are you sure the source code is in there with -g? I was pretty sure it
wasn't, only line numbers.
I was fooled by the fact that the debug packages I was using have:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/debug/usr/libstrings libaa.so.1.0.4|grep joey
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Owner: Ian Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: liburi-template-perl
Version : 0.06-1
Upstream Author : Brian Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/URI-Template-0.06/
* License : Same as Perl
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 03:08:41PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
Yes, it's deliberate. People rarely need them just because they're
debugging something linked to libc.so.6. Having them slows down GDB
startup and increases its memory usage, for _every_ debug session.
Hi.
On 4/23/07, Shawn Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've stopped Beryl for now since they are officially merging with compiz. I
need to speak to the compiz maintainer.
I know something about this.
Do you know is officially? The compiz and beryl teams has problems
with this process (was
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 03:19:23PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Hmm, I hope this isn't a potential security hole.. I'd be happy if there
were a way to remove that info from the package, actually.
I have done some work with debugedit, which is shipped with RPM - it's
supposed to be able to do this,
On Monday 23 April 2007 12:58, Alan Ezust wrote:
let's say you need to build from source a program such as gimp which has
many library dependencies. You don't know what they are, and you want
debian to auto-install the -dev packages you need. apt-get build-dep is
your friend.
Speaking of
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:22:40PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 22-Apr-07, 17:01 (CDT), Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think libraries should be encouraged to provide significant
documentation - what we have now is simply not enough.
You seem to be arguing that the man pages
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:22:40 -0500
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You seem to be arguing that the man pages should be in the core
library package, yes?
I would prefer a -doc package that covers the entire API in a
comprehensive and detailed manner, registered with helper programs
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:19:39 +0100
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reading between the lines I think Neil is assuming that good
documentation has to be large enough to be worth splitting out.
In a lot of cases, yes. I do accept that some libraries - and
particularly perl modules - do not
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:26 +0100
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After reading the responses so far, the -doc element of my original
idea needs modification.
I'd like to see all library source packages having a minimum of 4
binary packages required by Policy: the SONAME, the -dev,
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On 23-Apr-07, 15:51 (CDT), Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that all libraries - without exception - must come with some
API documentation and the docs should be as complete and as accurate
as possible - ideally generated from the source itself.
That's not a Debian issue. All we
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:15:02 -0500
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23-Apr-07, 15:51 (CDT), Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that all libraries - without exception - must come with some
API documentation and the docs should be as complete and as accurate
as
Neil Williams wrote:
Would these changes need a GR?
Why would a policy change need a GR? How could a GR possibly be the best
way to choose a sound technical policy?
--
see shy jo
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:55:47 -0500
Anibal Avelar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If both projects joins but you don't upload them in unstable, but
while we can have beryl, I like beryl than compiz due to the
beryl-manager ;)
I guess beryl-manager will be merged as well (probably renamed).
--
KiyuKo
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 12:00:59AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:15:02 -0500
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23-Apr-07, 15:51 (CDT), Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that all libraries - without exception - must come with some
API
Neil Williams wrote:
I chose Debian as a development platform for my own reasons and my
decision was not deemed to be wise in the eyes of some of my upstream
colleagues. As the newbie to that particular team, I was under
significant pressure to upgrade to Fedora or SuSE. Debian needs to
On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 22:31 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Sonntag 22 April 2007 22:12 schrieb Russ Allbery:
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am Sonntag 22 April 2007 21:39 schrieb Neil Williams:
Apart from those limitations, is there a *technical* reason why -dbg
packages
On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 22:14 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Neil Williams:
Apart from those limitations, is there a *technical* reason why -dbg
packages should not be available?
GCC's debugging information at -O2 will continue to worsen (in part as
a result of -O2 getting better).
It's
Package: general
Severity: minor
The following line is repeated continually in dmesg:
ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c18e0dec] 'on'
This begins shortly after hald loads and repeats about ten times a
minute.
uname -a:
Linux hanyuu 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:05:22 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would rather add it as a recommended practice in policy, with a
note that it will become a should/must as we get better coverage, and
_also_ provide examples of what maintainers need to do to create
separate debugging
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:29:55PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
Certain packages have already had bug reports requesting a -dbg
package.
I'd rather see some offline debug-symbol infrastructure for all
packages implemented, so that you can download the debug
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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Bug#420678: dmesg spam: ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c18e0dec] 'on'
Bug reassigned from package `general' to `hal'.
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Daniel Leidert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Am Montag, den 23.04.2007, 15:46 +0200 schrieb Frank K?ster:
in the last months or even years, xmltex and passivetex have been
basically unmaintained (and they *do* have bugs), and responses from the
list which is listed as maintainer are very
Neil Williams wrote:
snip
There is a distinct lack of man (3) and coordinated documentation for
libraries in Debian. True, some poorly documented packages include test
programs or examples somewhere under /usr/share/doc/ but it isn't
simple to track these down.
Is it unreasonable to expect
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