Care/i dd,
stiamo organizzando la CONFSL12 ad Ancona per le giornate del 22 e 23 giugno.
In quell'ambito vorremmo dar seguito all'evento organizzato il 16 aprile dal
gruppo Gulliver
http://www.gulliver.univpm.it/eventi/debian-dalla-community-al-developing/
che ha visto protagonista zack con un
On 2012-05-15, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
Is there a rational behind not allowing any fuzz?
I think it makes perfect sense to expect the patches to apply perfectly,
so we don't rely on patch quilt to be able to unfuzz things.
Especially when unfuzzing patches are so simple.
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
Is there a rational behind not allowing any fuzz?
Fuzz indicates that the source file has changed since the patch has been
generated, which means that the patch may no longer apply properly. Fuzz
is a guess of convenience by the patch program that the
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
isn't indicative of an error. A good way to indicate that is to unfuzz
the patch.
Or build a source and binary package, do normal testing *as*usual*
and upload ...
No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
Best wishes
Norbert
Hi,
(Caveat: I am not a dpkg-source maintainer.)
Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-05-15, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
Is there a rational behind not allowing any fuzz?
I think it makes perfect sense to expect the patches to apply perfectly,
so we don't rely on patch quilt to be
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
isn't indicative of an error. A good way to indicate that is to unfuzz
the patch.
Or build a source and binary package, do normal testing *as*usual*
and upload ...
There was a reason why I added the word
Russ Allbery wrote:
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
Is there a rational behind not allowing any fuzz?
Fuzz indicates that the source file has changed since the patch has been
generated, which means that the patch may no longer apply properly. Fuzz
is a guess of convenience by
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
isn't indicative of an error. A good way to indicate that is to unfuzz
the patch.
Or build a source and binary package, do normal testing *as*usual*
and upload ...
Hmmm, what
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
Of all the things that one has to do with a package, this is pretty minor.
If you are talking of a normal small package. Not of 2.6G of packages
where even the source packages are *generated*, and unfuzzying is a
process that takes quite some time.
Best
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
Of all the things that one has to do with a package, this is pretty minor.
If you are talking of a normal small package. Not of 2.6G of packages
where even the source packages are *generated*, and unfuzzying
Hi,
On Di, 15 Mai 2012, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hmmm, what exactly is normal testing *as*usual*? Isn't it a duty of
Like I have, a test bed testing various upgrade and install scenaria
from stable/testing/sid.
the maintainer to inspect critical parts of the code? IMHO existing
Not all patches
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
If you don't care about checking the patches, it takes fifteen minutes one
time to write a shell script and then less than ten seconds to run it
before you do an upload.
See my other answer. This is conceptually wrong, because you might
end up with a
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
If you don't care about checking the patches, it takes fifteen minutes
one time to write a shell script and then less than ten seconds to run
it before you do an upload.
See my other answer. This is
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:59:31PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
See my other answer. This is conceptually wrong, because you might
end up with a *wrong* patch and the old one is destroyed due to the
refresh (patch just messed it up .. and I didn't realize it, uuups).
Why don't you use a VCS?
* Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at [120515 01:10]:
For these kind of things the expected behaviour is that quilt and
dpkg-source behave the same way, and if not, dpkg-source should
warn or whatever.
I think the patched debian source format should not depend on what
quilt does but be sensible
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
I'm hoping we can revisit 3.0 (git) post-squeeze, myself. But I have also
found myself to be incompatible iwth 3.0 (quilt) and used 1.0 for my last
few packages.
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
although it might
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using
a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download
time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD
Hi,
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're
using a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the
download time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of
what
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:18:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
package, which nearly no
Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:57:15AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
And besides, why are we talking about Installed-Size in the first place?
Because I asked a question off-topic in that thread without breaking it.
Apologies for this confusion.
--
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
--
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:54:53AM +0200, David Kalnischkies a écrit :
And the fields defining a difference in versions are:
Installed-Size, Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts, Breaks
Guillem Jover writes (Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts):
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
I can't see an equivalent in GNU tar. But BSD tar is available
in Debian.
This would imply BSD tar needs to be promoted to the Essential set
alongside GNU
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:06:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
|| Guillem Jover writes (Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer
scripts):
|| On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
||I can't see an equivalent in GNU tar. But BSD tar is available
||in Debian.
||
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]:
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
2. USB-targeted images
I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the
normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more
useful. We could quite readily produce (say)
]] Vincent Zweije
No, this is about packing. Doing packing with dpkg-deb invoking bsdtar
would either make bsdtar essential, or require that dpkg-deb switch to
use whatever tar is available.
Why would it require more than dpkg-dev depending on bsdtar? We have
precedence for packages being
Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
You also need to have root access to some machine to
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing of the
Hi, sorry for my late response
At Fri, 11 May 2012 18:50:22 +0200,
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote:
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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:12:37 +0900, Youhei SASAKI wrote:
Package: wnpp
Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org
Severity:
Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
although it might not
Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
There is a huge difference between gconf, for which you can set one
specific setting in /etc, overriding the default in /usr (and in a way
that will not break the application if the schemas change), and
systemd/udev, which
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are
Hi,
Fedora/RH folks recently added more
hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent
ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05
should probably do.
It is a
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 05:26:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
Not entirely true. You can override parts of the file too, without
copying: include the original. This doesn't let you override everything,
but for a lot of things, is
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 05:26:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
There is a huge difference between gconf, for which you can set one
specific setting in /etc, overriding the default in /usr (and in a way
that will not break
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but
skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big
clear message DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS to make it more
obvious. :-)
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential
[Steve McIntyre]
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block
devices), I
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
cat debian.iso /dev/sdX
for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
the Debian Live Manual.
Maybe one should advise people to first read
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit :
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time
Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca writes:
accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?
At least in default debian and
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:45:47PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
cat debian.iso /dev/sdX
for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 17:31:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
package, which nearly no
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:18:25 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
package, which nearly no one
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre Jaury pie...@jaury.eu
* Package name: vodstok
Version : 1.2.3
Upstream Author : Damien Cauquil virtual...@gmail.com
* URL : http://virtualabs.fr/vodstok/
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: PHP
Description :
On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
cases into the daemon is not sensible for any upstream.
That is what configuration files and similar things are for, I
[Samuel Thibault]
I think cp is even more straightforward.
Does cp accept that way since a long time?
I'm not sure, but I've been using things like cp boot.img /dev/fd0
for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The
fact that I referred to a floppy drive may give some
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote:
On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
cases into the daemon is not sensible for any
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Steve McIntyre]
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to
[Steve McIntyre]
The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of the
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