Quoting Paul Wise (p...@debian.org):
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
As wrote by others earlier, that's the amount of memory needed for
compression. 65 MB of RAM is needed for decompression. That's nothing!!!
That is half the RAM available on my Debian-based
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:43:08AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Oct 13, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Policy effectively states that Debian packages shall not depend on any
features which posh doesn't have.
So in what way is that a bad idea, and how should one know
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:05:20PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
If you need array variables, it's likely that the script has grown so
complex that switching to another language is a good idea.
/etc/init.d/nbd-client
It's not exactly *needed*; I could replace it with a set of eval
instructions.
Hi Bas,
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20:02AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
I admit I expected *you* to know about Blends for a while - but
considering the video recorded quote I think I was not wrong using this
chance to point this
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:29:47PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Well, Blends and the desktop situation could be considered
orthogonal.
Do all blends work well with all desktop environments?
No.
While this no means: There exist 1 or 2 Blends focussing on a
specific desktop
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: mustache-java
Version : 0.8.17
Upstream Author : Sam Pullara spull...@yahoo.com
* URL or Web page : http://github.com/spullara/mustache.java
* License : Apache-2.0
Description : Mustache (templating language)
On Oct 15, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
If you target posh, you target all shells that policy allows for --
including those that are smaller and/or faster than dash.
Can you list some, and what benefits they would bring over dash?
--
ciao,
Marco
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:25:20AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2014, Andreas Tille wrote:
While this no means: There exist 1 or 2 Blends focussing on a
specific desktop environment (as far as I know Debian Edu and Ezgo) but
Debian Edu offers you
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
$*, $@, $* were not special in any way. They just underwent
the same rules as other variables. Only $@ was.
This changed in POSIX sh though. I remember having
to change some things in mksh to adhere to 2008 and
post-2008.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Wookey wrote:
I _think_ we don't do this because the upgrading uses a lot of time on
buildds, especially slow ones. I did do this (build in snapshot,
Right.
the same packages over and over until the snapshot was updated (which
was manual and done approx weekly). This
Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org (2014-10-15):
Who are powerpc buildd admins, again?
Still listed at the same location since last time you asked:
https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00446.html
KiBi.
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2014-10-15 12:13:06 +0200, Thorsten Glaser:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
$*, $@, $* were not special in any way. They just underwent
the same rules as other variables. Only $@ was.
This changed in POSIX sh though. I remember having
to change some things in mksh to adhere
On 10/14/2014 at 04:15 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this
issue be a case in which significant concerns from/of the users
about an issue might initiate a GR? Wouldn't it speak loudly
Many of our lookup interfaces don't give out a clear indication of the
status of the person you are looking up. Eg db.debian.org contains
DMs and DDs and the public lookup doesn't distinguish.
www.debian.org/devel/people lists maintainers, DMs and DDs without
distinction. (This is contrary to
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
Only thing I don't understand is why so few votes for systemd-shim out
of the group who has it installed.
Maybe noatime? That’s probably popular on desktops. “vote” does
not really say much, anyway.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
Sometimes they [people] care too
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
$ mksh -c 'IFS=; x=abc; printf %s\n ${x#$*}' x a b | sed -n l
\a\300a$
abc$
Interesting… but all shells diverge on this one.
tglase@tglase:~ $ bash -c 'IFS=; x=abc; printf %s\n ${x#$*}' x a b | sed -n
l
abc$
tglase@tglase:~ $ dash -c 'IFS=;
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org (2014-10-15):
Who are powerpc buildd admins, again?
Still listed at the same location since last time you asked:
Yeah, I tend to forget it.
https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
Ah wonderful, a set of 0
Signed-off-by: Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org
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library.php | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/library.php b/library.php
index a5a0d8e..43e2c45 100644
--- a/library.php
+++ b/library.php
@@ -1432,7 +1432,7 @@ function html_footer_text($raw=false) {
echo div
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
[1] I'm told that looking at db.d.o ldapsearch can help if you then
see whether the user has `gidNumber=800' or perhaps whether the user
has `objectClass=debianDeveloper' but there are rumours that the
latter is misleading.
gidNumber is
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
db.debian.org contains DMs and DDs
db.d.o does not contain DMs AFAIK, but it does have guest accounts and
indeed doesn't distinguish those. DSA have been working on a
replacement for our current interface and could use help with
improving it.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
Ah wonderful, a set of 0 people. No surprise then.
Unfortunately that page is maintained manually.
According to LDAP it appears to be wouter, he,
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho eribe...@eriberto.pro.br
* Package name: bifrost
Version : 0.1.0-alpha
Upstream Author : Jan Seidl jse...@wroot.org
* URL : https://github.com/jseidl/bifrost
* License : MIT
Programming Lang:
2014-10-15 16:19:00 +0200, Thorsten Glaser:
[...]
tglase@tglase:~ $ dash -c 'IFS=; x=abc; printf %s\n ${x#$*}' x a b | sed
-n l
a$
abc$
tglase@tglase:~ $ ksh93 -c 'IFS=; x=abc; printf %s\n ${x#$*}' x a b | sed
-n l
c$
tglase@tglase:~ $ mksh -c 'IFS=; x=abc; printf %s\n ${x#$*}' x a b |
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:02:07PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Many of our lookup interfaces don't give out a clear indication of the
status of the person you are looking up. Eg db.debian.org contains
DMs and DDs and the public lookup doesn't distinguish.
www.debian.org/devel/people lists
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Arto Jantunen vi...@debian.org
* Package name: python-flask-admin
Version : 1.0.8
Upstream Author : Serge S. Koval serge.koval+git...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/mrjoes/flask-admin
* License : BSD
Programming
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:31:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
You belong to a majority if I might conclude from my experience. I have
no idea whether I should feel responsible for this but I'm fighting on
several fronts like the extensive documentation[1] and countless
talks[2] as well
Thorsten Glaser wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
Only thing I don't understand is why so few votes for systemd-shim out
of the group who has it installed.
Maybe noatime? That’s probably popular on desktops. “vote” does
not really say much, anyway.
I doubt noatime has been
Hi Thorsten,
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:05:21PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
[...]
from dak, because the version is neither in testing (yet or
still) and not in unstable (any more) and so not known to
dak. The buildd admins do not react on this and happily
ignore eMails asking them,
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 08:26:04PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:07:09PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
The FSF has a stated goal of wanting to eradicate all non-free software.
That's fine, that's their right, and if they manage to do that, more
power to them.
Debian
Package: general
Severity: important
Tags: security
Hi.
Not sure if there is already some concentrated effort, but I think
there should be one, i.e.:
---
To disable crypto algorithms and protocols per default, which are
known to be no longer secure, across Debian.
And ideally, to default to
* Thorsten Glaser (t.gla...@tarent.de) [141015 16:20]:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org (2014-10-15):
Who are powerpc buildd admins, again?
Still listed at the same location since last time you asked:
Yeah, I tend to forget it.
* Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de) [141013 12:05]:
sbuild/buildd runs apt-get update, but not apt-get *upgrade,
before each build. But I assume this should not be changed
either…
So we need either a technical, or a policy-ical, or a human,
solution to this problem, right?
Or we just have
* Paul Wise (p...@debian.org) [141015 17:22]:
[ powerpc buildd admins ]
According to LDAP it appears to be wouter, he, pkern.
This list is incomplete. There are more people, especially there is a
group who is buildd admin on all buildds, and tends to fix problems if
they are known. (However,
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
For git it's e.g. quite clear that it's use of SHA1 *is* security
relevant.
I've talked about this with the git developers before, and while they
seemed to have some ideas for how to handle a conversion to a different
hash, they're not keen on doing it until
There are a number of mechanisms for proposing and tracking distro-wide
changes, such as release goals and DEPs in some cases. But this is not what the
general bug is for. Please choose something and then kindly close this bug.
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:10:00AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Oct 15, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
If you target posh, you target all shells that policy allows for --
including those that are smaller and/or faster than dash.
Can you list some, and what benefits they would
Quoting Bas Wijnen (2014-10-15 19:49:32)
On occasion, I've needed a single-use system; something that boots up
into an application and that shuts down when that application exits.
(Having the full power of Debian in the background is a nice feature,
but mostly unused.) For example, for
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 20:25 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
There are a number of mechanisms for proposing and tracking distro-wide
changes, such as release goals and DEPs in some cases. But this is not what
the
general bug is for. Please choose something and then kindly close this bug.
Well
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 15:18 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
I've talked about this with the git developers before, and while they
seemed to have some ideas for how to handle a conversion to a different
hash, they're not keen on doing it until forced by SHA1 being more
broken than it is now.
Well,...
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
In general, I think that Debian needs to identify upstreams that are
being proactive about dropping old crypto algos, and those that are not.
Major browsers, openssh upstream, etc are going to be more on top of
this than we are, and make better decisions.
Hey,
Am 15.10.2014 um 21:44 schrieb Christoph Anton Mitterer:
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 20:25 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
There are a number of mechanisms for proposing and tracking distro-wide
changes, such as release goals and DEPs in some cases. But this is not what
the
general bug is
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:44:43PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Well a bug is at least something, where one has a central log of all
discussions... and where one can really keep track of...
Only if people remember to copy it. And that's less likely to happen
when you start getting
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 21:55 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
While I appreciate your efforts to raise security-relevant topics within
the Debian distribution, I have to admit that exactly the same happens
to quite a few of your meta-bugreports as well. There's a lot of
discussion and a few changes
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 12:55 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
For another example, upstream for both Heimdal and MIT Kerberos know
very well what the situation is with the RC4 use in the Kerberos
protocol and are making well-informed decisions
* Christoph Anton Mitterer:
Not sure if there is already some concentrated effort, but I think
there should be one, i.e.:
Fedora is currently working on this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CryptoPolicy
However, it is an ongoing effort to make applications adhere to the
system
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 01:49:43PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Thorsten Glaser wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
Only thing I don't understand is why so few votes for systemd-shim out
of the group who has it installed.
Maybe noatime? That’s probably popular on desktops.
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: bash exorcism experiment ('bug' 762923 763012)):
But that's *also* not the point. The point is that we have a policy
which states particular things, and that you should follow that policy.
If you think policy is wrong, you're welcome to change it; doing so
really
Control: reassign -1 wnpp
Control: severity -1 wishlist
On Jo, 16 oct 14, 00:12:10, Evgeny Golyshev wrote:
Package: wnppSeverine: wishlist
Owner: Evgeny Golyshev euguli...@gmail.com
* Package name : elixir
* Version : 1.0.1
* Upstream Author : José Valim
Joey Hess writes (Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and protocols
perdefault):
Instead, it makes sense to adapt workflows that do not trust git hashes,
which mostly means making signed tags and commits, and checking the
signatures. This is something Debian could improve in many
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:47:07PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Joey Hess writes (Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and
protocols perdefault):
Instead, it makes sense to adapt workflows that do not trust git hashes,
which mostly means making signed tags and commits, and checking
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 01:58:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It's unlikely that you're going to be able to make better cost/benefit
decisions about these things than well-informed upstreams for general use
cases. Debian is targeted for general use cases. If we were making a
On 16 October 2014 10:44, brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net
wrote:
Unfortunately, not all upstreams make good decisions. OpenSSL ships
with a set of default ciphers that is completely insecure. There is no
reason that every application using OpenSSL directly or indirectly[0]
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 13:58 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
The approach that you are taking to this discussion is destroying my
desire and willingness to explain to you all of the nuance that you're
ignoring.
Well I respect that you have another opinion on security, but I didn't
demand you to
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 10:55 +1100, Brian May wrote:
What about security updates? Should Debian be releasing wheezy
security updates for browsers, web servers, etc, that disable SSLv3
by default now that SSLv3 is considered insecure?
I'd guess that as soon as the respective vendor issues an
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 23:44 +, brian m. carlson wrote:
HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL is a better default.
Still allows quite a number of combinations I probably wouldn't want to
entrust my data: RC4 stuff, DSS stuff, even some MD5 combination is in
the list.
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Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
So what's wrong about my approach, apart from the paradigm security
first?
It feels to me like you're spending lots of time telling other people
they're wrong and telling other people what they should be spending time
on, and then arguing
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes (Re: Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto
algos and protocols perdefault):
So what's wrong about my approach, apart from the paradigm security
first?
Firstly, I agree with everything Russ has said.
But secondly, I would worry that you're perhaps not paying
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:31 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It feels to me like you're spending lots of time telling other people
they're wrong and telling other people what they should be spending time
on, and then arguing with anyone who tells you that how you're going about
this isn't
Your message dated Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:42:23 +0200
with message-id 1413430943.4706.42.ca...@scientia.net
and subject line Re: Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and
protocols perdefault
has caused the Debian Bug report #765512,
regarding general: distrust old crypto algos and
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:42:23AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:31 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It feels to me like you're spending lots of time telling other people
they're wrong and telling other people what they should be spending time
on, and then
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