Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-08 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 at 02:25:44 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > Am Do., 6. Juni 2019 um 20:33 Uhr schrieb Kyle Edwards > : > > 2. According to https://wiki.debian.org/BuilddSetup, there seems to be > > a distinction between the build broker (wanna-build) and the build > > workers (buildd). Do

Accepted qelectrotech 1:0.7.0~rc1-1 (source all amd64) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread W. Martin Borgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:11:38 + Source: qelectrotech Binary: qelectrotech qelectrotech-data qelectrotech-dbgsym qelectrotech-examples Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1:0.7.0~rc1-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium

Accepted grub-efi-amd64-signed 1+2.04~rc1+1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Debian signing service
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 16:56:05 +0100 Source: grub-efi-amd64-signed Binary: grub-efi-amd64-signed Architecture: source Version: 1+2.04~rc1+1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: GRUB Maintainers Changed-By: Debian

Accepted ruby-mini-magick 4.9.3-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Jongmin Kim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:06:55 +0900 Source: ruby-mini-magick Binary: ruby-mini-magick Architecture: source Version: 4.9.3-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers Changed-By: Jongmin Kim

Accepted roary 3.12.0+dfsg-3 (source all) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Sascha Steinbiss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:52:37 +0200 Source: roary Binary: roary Architecture: source all Version: 3.12.0+dfsg-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team Changed-By: Sascha Steinbiss Description:

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 11:24 PM Adam Borowski wrote: > In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a > wallpaper once a release? Please note that modifying the appearance of apps can annoy upstreams: https://stopthemingmy.app/

Accepted kazam 1.4.5-3 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:59:36 +0300 Source: kazam Architecture: source Version: 1.4.5-3 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Python Applications Packaging Team Changed-By: Dmitry Shachnev Closes: 894497 895790

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 8 Jun 2019, at 10:56, Aron Xu wrote: > > Even further, it's distributed in > the form of dkms source and theoretically not in Debian (contrib) to > save people of Software Freedom Conservancy from being upset about > losing their position of Linux GPL enforcement. I don’t care much about

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-08 Thread intrigeri
Hi Adam, Adam Borowski: > I also hate with a passion so-called "UX designers". I would love if we tried to make Debian more welcoming to folks with skills that our project lacks, such as UX design and graphics, rather than the opposite. > They work from a Mac while not having to actually use

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Aron Xu
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 4:16 PM Philipp Kern wrote: > > On 6/6/2019 8:09 PM, Aron Xu wrote: > > Key interest in the thread is getting some insights about how to deal > > with the awkward situation that affects ZFS experience dramatically - > > Linux will remove those symbols in LTS kernel release,

Accepted libmediainfo 18.12-2 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Chow Loong Jin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:18:32 +0800 Source: libmediainfo Binary: libmediainfo-dev libmediainfo-doc libmediainfo0v5 libmediainfo0v5-dbgsym python-mediainfodll python3-mediainfodll Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 18.12-2

Accepted grub-efi-ia32-signed 1+2.04~rc1+1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Debian signing service
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 16:56:05 +0100 Source: grub-efi-ia32-signed Binary: grub-efi-ia32-signed Architecture: source Version: 1+2.04~rc1+1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: GRUB Maintainers Changed-By: Debian

Accepted jitterentropy-rngd 1.0.8-4 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 12:02:30 +0100 Source: jitterentropy-rngd Binary: jitterentropy-rngd Architecture: source Version: 1.0.8-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Luca Boccassi Changed-By: Luca Boccassi Description:

Accepted desktop-base 10.0.3 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Aurélien COUDERC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:40:23 +0200 Source: desktop-base Architecture: source Version: 10.0.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Desktop Team Changed-By: Aurélien COUDERC Closes: 930145 Changes: desktop-base

Re: Removing bzip2 support from apt due to rustification

2019-06-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 09:03:18PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > This isn't just for us; it's also for the upstreams involved. It can be > demoralizing and frustrating to be pulled into negative discussions about > something you care about, and people have limited capacity to react > gracefully to

Accepted cups-filters 1.25.0-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Didier Raboud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:57:32 +0200 Source: cups-filters Architecture: source Version: 1.25.0-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Printing Team Changed-By: Didier Raboud Changes: cups-filters (1.25.0-1)

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 05:24:17PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a wallpaper once a release? I fully support more effort on improving the usability, consistency etc. across the GUI stuff we provide. Timing-wise it's best done

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Aron Xu
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 5:33 PM Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > > On 8 Jun 2019, at 10:56, Aron Xu wrote: > > > > Even further, it's distributed in > > the form of dkms source and theoretically not in Debian (contrib) to > > save people of Software Freedom Conservancy from being upset about > > losing

Accepted grub-efi-arm64-signed 1+2.04~rc1+1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Debian signing service
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 16:56:05 +0100 Source: grub-efi-arm64-signed Binary: grub-efi-arm64-signed Architecture: source Version: 1+2.04~rc1+1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: GRUB Maintainers Changed-By: Debian

dMagnetic - A magnetic Scrolls Interpreter just had its release 0.15

2019-06-08 Thread dettus
Hello. I couple of days ago I submitted my project "dMagnetic" to your WNPP list. Today I released Version 0.15. Just wanted to keep this bugreport updated. Thomas

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 07:45:50PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > It might be useful to some that we'll have a 'standard' image for Debian > Live Buster. This is a base image with Debian standard that doesn't > contain any desktop environment. It ships with d-i with a module that > just

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/06/08 21:43, Adam Borowski wrote: > I like this. The d-i is nothing but a glorified live image already. On > every not completely non-eventful install I find myself wishing this live > system wasn't crippled for space reasons. This crippling was intentional -- > d-i was designed in the

Accepted yubikey-personalization 1.19.3-3 (source amd64 all) into unstable, unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Nicolas Braud-Santoni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:34:23 +0200 Source: yubikey-personalization Binary: libykpers-1-1 libykpers-1-1-dbgsym libykpers-1-dev libyubikey-udev yubikey-personalization yubikey-personalization-dbgsym Architecture: source amd64 all

Re: Suspending Offer to Reimburse Expenses for Attending Future Bug Squashing Parties

2019-06-08 Thread Dominik George
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, > I'm hurt reading your message and Holger's. > I wrote to the project saying that the current situation sucked for me. > I got some great offers of help and I think this issue will be easy to > resolve. > > But then I got a message from

Accepted btrfs-progs 5.1-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Adam Borowski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 22:09:44 +0200 Source: btrfs-progs Architecture: source Version: 5.1-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Adam Borowski Changed-By: Adam Borowski Closes: 798072 870286 895501 924368 Changes:

Accepted golang-github-mendersoftware-mender-artifact 3.0.0+really2.4.0-1 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Dr. Tobias Quathamer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:08:00 +0200 Source: golang-github-mendersoftware-mender-artifact Architecture: source Version: 3.0.0+really2.4.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Go Packaging Team Changed-By: Dr.

Bug#930216: ITP: python-noise -- Perlin noise for image generation

2019-06-08 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller * Package name: python-noise Version : 1.2.3 * URL : https://github.com/casemane/noise * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python Description : Perlin noise for image generation To be team maintained

Accepted projectcenter.app 0.6.2+git20190606-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Gürkan Myczko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 15:29:04 +0200 Source: projectcenter.app Architecture: source Version: 0.6.2+git20190606-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian GNUstep maintainers Changed-By: Gürkan Myczko Changes:

Accepted lambda-align2 2.0.0-6 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Sascha Steinbiss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 14:49:26 +0200 Source: lambda-align2 Architecture: source Version: 2.0.0-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team Changed-By: Sascha Steinbiss Closes: 920591 Changes:

Bug#930219: ITP: node-dagre-layout -- Graph layout for JavaScript

2019-06-08 Thread Pirate Praveen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pirate Praveen X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name : node-dagre-layout Version : 0.8.8 Upstream Author : Tyler Long * URL : https://github.com/tylingsoft/dagre-layout#readme * License : Expat Programming Lang: JavaScript

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-06-08 18:11:28 +0800 (+0800), Aron Xu wrote: > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 5:33 PM Ondřej Surý wrote: > > On 8 Jun 2019, at 10:56, Aron Xu wrote: > > > Even further, it's distributed in the form of dkms source and > > > theoretically not in Debian (contrib) to save people of > > > Software

Bug#930223: ITP: node-dagre-d3-renderer -- D3-based renderer for Dagre

2019-06-08 Thread Pirate Praveen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pirate Praveen X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name : node-dagre-d3-renderer Version : 0.5.8 Upstream Author : Liad Yosef * URL : https://github.com/tylingsoft/dagre-d3-renderer#readme * License : Expat Programming Lang:

Re: Suspending Offer to Reimburse Expenses for Attending Future Bug Squashing Parties

2019-06-08 Thread Tobias Frost
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:10:12PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 09:19:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Handling reimbursements for BSPs has significantly crossed my threshhold > > for not being fun with our current procedures. We absolutely should > > reimburse

Accepted libfm-qt 0.14.1-9 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Alf Gaida
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 16:39:11 +0200 Source: libfm-qt Architecture: source Version: 0.14.1-9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: LXQt Packaging Team Changed-By: Alf Gaida Closes: 926803 Changes: libfm-qt (0.14.1-9)

Accepted mailman-suite 0+20180916-9 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 17:29:26 +0200 Source: mailman-suite Architecture: source Version: 0+20180916-9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Mailman Team Changed-By: Jonas Meurer Changes: mailman-suite

Accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot 1:9~svn362869-1~exp1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:12:47 +0200 Source: llvm-toolchain-snapshot Architecture: source Version: 1:9~svn362869-1~exp1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: LLVM Packaging Team Changed-By: Sylvestre Ledru Closes:

Accepted exim4 4.92-8 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 17:37:43 +0200 Source: exim4 Architecture: source Version: 4.92-8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Exim4 Maintainers Changed-By: Andreas Metzler Changes: exim4 (4.92-8) unstable; urgency=low .

Accepted libregexp-pattern-license-perl 3.1.93-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 18:43:59 +0200 Source: libregexp-pattern-license-perl Architecture: source Version: 3.1.93-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Perl Group Changed-By: Jonas Smedegaard Closes: 926392

Accepted pgcli 1.9.1-2 (source all) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Lennart Weller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 18:16:27 +0200 Source: pgcli Binary: pgcli Architecture: source all Version: 1.9.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Lennart Weller Changed-By: Lennart Weller Description: pgcli - CLI for

Accepted unattended-upgrades 1.11.2 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Balint Reczey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 16:59:45 +0200 Source: unattended-upgrades Binary: unattended-upgrades Architecture: source Version: 1.11.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Michael Vogt Changed-By: Balint Reczey Description:

Accepted cargo 0.35.0-2 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Ximin Luo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:04:43 -0700 Source: cargo Architecture: source Version: 0.35.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Rust Maintainers Changed-By: Ximin Luo Closes: 930218 Changes: cargo (0.35.0-2) unstable;

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 10:21:22AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 05:24:17PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a > > wallpaper once a release? > > I fully support more effort on improving the usability,

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 06:36:30PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 at 19:29:49 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > A desktop install can writeout > > while the user answers installer questions > > I can't help wondering whether the right answer for a finite number > of relatively

Accepted pysynphot 0.9.12+dfsg-3 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Ole Streicher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:51:21 +0200 Source: pysynphot Architecture: source Version: 0.9.12+dfsg-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Astronomy Team Changed-By: Ole Streicher Closes: 930056 Changes: pysynphot

Re: @debian.org mail

2019-06-08 Thread Florian Reitmeir
Am 06.06.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Bjørn Mork: Daniel Lange writes: We have more people registered for DebConf ("the Debian Developers' conference") with @gmail.com than @debian.org addresses. You can't fix @gmail.com. It is deliberately broken for commercial reasons, and that won't stop with

Re: Suspending Offer to Reimburse Expenses for Attending Future Bug Squashing Parties

2019-06-08 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Tobias" == Tobias Frost writes: Tobias> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:10:12PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 09:19:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > Handling reimbursements for BSPs has significantly crossed my >> threshhold > for not being fun with

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Stanley writes: Jeremy> Your earlier message also implied the motives behind Jeremy> Conservancy's recommendations to be something other than a Jeremy> desire to protect projects relying on free/libre open source Jeremy> software licenses from making

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 at 19:29:49 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > A desktop install can writeout > while the user answers installer questions I can't help wondering whether the right answer for a finite number of relatively predictable installations (a minimal system, or all of Priority: standard, or

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/06/08 19:36, Simon McVittie wrote: > If the pre-prepared installation image is in a suitable format (for > example an unpacked tree, squashfs or OSTree, but not a tarball or an > OCI image), then there's no reason it couldn't also be bootable as a > stateless live system. It might be

Concern for: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-06-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:11:14AM -0700, Mo Zhou wrote: > Hi people, I see your good intention but this is basically changing status-quo for the main requirement. > https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/deeplearning-policy > (issue tracker is enabled) I read it ;-) > This draft is

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 3:44 AM Adam Borowski wrote: > So if you took current d-i and planted it into a regular live image IIRC debian-live used to have that but it was too buggy so it got removed. Later Calamares replaced it. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Concern for: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-06-08 Thread Yao Wei (魏銘廷)
Hi, >> With a labeling like "ToxicCandy Model" for the situation, it makes bad >> impression on people and I am afraid people may not be make rational >> decision. Is this characterization correct and sane one? At least, >> it looks to me that this is changing status-quo of our policy and >>

Accepted faudio 19.06.07-1 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Michael Gilbert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 00:49:52 + Source: faudio Architecture: source Version: 19.06.07-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Wine Team Changed-By: Michael Gilbert Closes: 926578 927451 Changes: faudio

Re: Concern for: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-06-08 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Osamu, On 2019-06-08 18:43, Osamu Aoki wrote: >> This draft is conservative and overkilling, and currently >> only focus on software freedom. That's exactly where we >> start, right? > > OK but it can't be where we end-up-with. That's why I said the two words "conservative" and

Accepted gitbrute 0~12-2 (source) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Adam Borowski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:52:42 +0200 Source: gitbrute Architecture: source Version: 0~12-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Adam Borowski Changed-By: Adam Borowski Changes: gitbrute (0~12-2) unstable; urgency=medium

Accepted firefox 68.0~b8-1 (source) into experimental

2019-06-08 Thread Mike Hommey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 22:07:41 +0900 Source: firefox Architecture: source Version: 68.0~b8-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages Changed-By: Mike Hommey Changes: firefox

Accepted perltidy 20181120-1 (source all) into unstable

2019-06-08 Thread Don Armstrong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 14:57:29 -0700 Source: perltidy Binary: perltidy Architecture: source all Version: 20181120-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Don Armstrong Changed-By: Don Armstrong Description: perltidy -

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
[No need to Cc an extra copy, I've been a d-d subscriber since... the 1990s?] On 2019-06-08 13:00:02 -0400 (-0400), Sam Hartman wrote: > Jeremy Stanley writes: > > Your earlier message also implied the motives behind > > Conservancy's recommendations to be something other than a > > desire to