Re: END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-03 Thread Rodrigo Castro
Hello Branden, On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 05:07:11PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:48:24AM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote: Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I don't know if I should). I really need your help, I tried everything I

Re: NMU of debianutils (was: Re: (Bug horizon) Problem bugs)

2000-04-03 Thread Raphael Manfredi
Quoting Steve Greenland: :Raphael and Ingo, if you get a chance, can you confirm I didn't screw :this up? Rainer, I think this fixes your bug too (#57464). Guy, if you :don't object by ~22:00 Tuesday, April 4th (CDT), I'm going to go ahead :and upload it to Incoming. Unfortunately, I'm leaving

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-03 Thread Romain Chantereau
So the original question remains: is there a simple pgcc available somewhere? -Jim Yes ! is there a simple pgcc available somewhere? I'm going to tell you why I want a pgcc package: I want to build a customized version of the potato. I have the sources, I compile the sources with pgcc in

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
I partly concur. Even if the developer-user channel was completely secured by signatures et al, we would still have the problem of an attacker gaining very much by breaking into a single developer's machine. You're netbase package is a good example: it contains a couple of programs usually

Re: END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 07:50:31PM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote: Hello Branden, On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 05:07:11PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:48:24AM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote: Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.): I see no reason not to reply [...] I think you are being hypocritical. You complain when other people post their opinions and discussions of this topic with you, yet you post your own diatribes here. Since

DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
I've just sent another, long, message about mail acceptance, blacklisting, and this whole flamewar. Please read that message first; it explains the context of this mail, and without it you might misinterpret this one. This message is about my opinion of the DUL, which I support and use. In fact

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 31, 2000

2000-04-03 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Bug stamp-out list for Mar 31 03:06 (CST) Package: bind (debian/main) Maintainer: Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61129 base: bind upgrade leaves two named's running I see how this can happen in some odd cases. Should have a fix uploaded in a day

ITP: gtans (Games/Puzzles)

2000-04-03 Thread JM Bourdaret
Hello I've just packaged gtans, a tangram (chinese puzzle) game written with GTK. As i'm not a developer yet, Rafael [EMAIL PROTECTED] agreed to sponsors me :) . In fact, the package is near completion. package and source are at www.wiktor.dk/~yip/debian/ (apt-get ok) upstream author

Re: ITP: lirc, devfsd

2000-04-03 Thread Ben Collins
Similarly, I have packaged devfsd (http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/). This one still needs a couple of problems ironing out first. No offense, but I hope you realize the amount of effort that will be needed for devfsd. Since it is a key element in our 2.4.x upgrade path, the amount of

Re: ITP: lirc, devfsd

2000-04-03 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:09:30PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: Similarly, I have packaged devfsd (http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/). This one still needs a couple of problems ironing out first. No offense, but I hope you realize the amount of effort that will be needed for devfsd.

Re: ITP: lirc, devfsd

2000-04-03 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 06:42:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:09:30PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: Similarly, I have packaged devfsd (http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/). This one still needs a couple of problems ironing out first. No offense, but I

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:57:06PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: As dinstall verifies the keys on the packages (which already exist, btw, they are just not propagated), it puts itself in the middle of the chain: Well, as Jason points out, they are propogated: by the -devel-changes list.

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:00:56PM +0200, Bart Schuller wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:46:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: PGP (v2.x, I'm not uptodate with the recent OpenPGP stuff), generates a secret (albeit symmetric, rather than public/private keypair) IDEA key everytime you try to

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 07:44:56PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Note that *any* keys that your agent holds can be snarfed by the admin(s) of any hosts where you ssh-in with agent forwarding enabled. As I understand it, you can't actually *obtain* the keys, you can just *use* them. Often

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 06:52:37PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: It's currently the case, yes, but it *could* be changed. You could, for example setup dinstall so that it wouldn't accept NMUs of certain important packages (such as gnupg). A good idea. Still: with package-granularity, this

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:56:05AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: That mail direct from dynamic dialups is a problem is recognised throughout the community. Not only did Paul Vixie, the author of BIND, and other leading lights of the Internet, decide to host, support, etc, the DUL. Many ISPs

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:56:11AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I think you are being hypocritical. You complain when other people post their opinions and discussions of this topic with you, yet you post your own diatribes here. Since your request to keep the discussion to private email seems

Re: NMU of debianutils (was: Re: (Bug horizon) Problem bugs)

2000-04-03 Thread Rainer Clasen
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:13:42PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: http://www.debian.org/~stevegr/debutils/debianutils_1.13.3_i386.deb Raphael and Ingo, if you get a chance, can you confirm I didn't screw this up? Rainer, I think this fixes your bug too (#57464). Guy, if you don't object by

Re: ITP: lirc, devfsd

2000-04-03 Thread Rainer Clasen
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:16:42PM +0100, Tom Lees wrote: LIRC is Linux Infra-red Remote Control support, see http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/index.html Ist it compiled for only one certain receiver type + port? Or were you able to make it configurable? Rainer -- KeyID=58341901

Re: ITP: gnome-db

2000-04-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Dan White wrote: gnome-db (http://www.gnome.org/gnome-db) is a framework for creating database applications. It provides a common API with pluggable back ends to different database sources as well as various specialized widgets for handling many database tasks. It's

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 31, 2000

2000-04-03 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:13:38AM -0800, esoR ocsirF wrote: Caution, IANAD. Just tring to help Package: cricket (debian/main) Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 56948 cricket depends on non-existant package Package:

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I don't like getting spam. I dislike the fact that I am inconvenienced. I have not yet decided to give in, though. And, in my opinion, bouncing mail from people innocent of sending spam is giving in to spammers. I ifnd this phenomena remniscent of may people in the trhoes

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:38:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: It's all going to end in heat death anyway. Of course, so we might as well turn off the computers right now. Cheers Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Obsolete packages

2000-04-03 Thread Petr Cech
On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 09:41:29AM +0200 , Michael Meskes wrote: After upgrading my machine I found some obsolete packages. Before purging them I'd like to know if there are replacements: lde yes. it had RC, and it is still in mess due to some strange gcc header interactions :( manpages-net

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:00:52AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: You appeal to authority, call for bandwagon jumping, and rely upon anecdotal accounts, but have yet to point to an RFC that forbids or discourages the establishment of outbound SMTP connections from dialup machines, whether they

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Nicolás Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All packages can run things as root. Even the most simple game. Doing clandestine things in a install-script is harder than in a binary. -- Robbe

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-03 Thread Eray Ozkural
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:28:41 David Starner wrote: Um, that's not what I've heard. Since optimizing for the Pentium will sometimes pessimize the Pentium (Pro, II, III), and the speedup from most programs is not that great, and anything that needs it can be recompiled locally, it wasn't worth

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:38:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The problem with DUL is that they don't care if the people blocked ever sent any spam. The have the wrong color ski^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H type of connection, and must be the enemy. The analogy is flawed. Solutions have

Re: Re: How to hide/show cursor without Ncurses ?

2000-04-03 Thread lorenzo . zampese
I asked to list : How to hide/show cursor without Ncurses libraries... and you answered me, Dos programmers were weenie because they..., ...it is evil consider a generic terminal... That's a yours suggestion/opinion/idea, but you didn't answered me really. Please read the question carefully! A

Re: DUL

2000-04-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
First I'd like to know what dialup includes means for you. Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It does seem that some people do find it beneficial to send mail direct from their dialups (static or dynamic). I don't understand why they think this is a good idea, There are apparently a

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 01:01:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:57:06PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: As dinstall verifies the keys on the packages (which already exist, btw, they are just not propagated), it puts itself in the middle of the chain: Well,

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 10:24:02AM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Nicolás Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All packages can run things as root. Even the most simple game. Doing clandestine things in a install-script is harder than in a binary. #!/bin/sh /usr/games/mygame

Re: DUL

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:01:22PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: There are apparently a number of ISPs that do well in providing an IP pipe, but suck big rocks when it comes to administering a mail server. This number will certainly grow as more and more infrastructure (phone, cable,

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 08:11:15PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: We might want to revoke the old key. If James leaves we can't revoke his key because it is HIS key. We can however revoke the dinstall key because it is by definition Debian's key. But this is nitpicking. Who is Debian?

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:30:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: This is a seperate problem. I agree that this should not be the case, but it has no place in this discussion. If individual developer keys are compromised, we have a problem no

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:09:41PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:00:52AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: You appeal to authority, call for bandwagon jumping, and rely upon anecdotal accounts, but have yet to point to an RFC that forbids or discourages the

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:58:18PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:38:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The problem with DUL is that they don't care if the people blocked ever sent any spam. The have the wrong color ski^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H type of

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 07:44:56PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Note that *any* keys that your agent holds can be snarfed by the admin(s) of any hosts where you ssh-in with agent forwarding enabled. As I understand it, you can't actually

Problem with bug system

2000-04-03 Thread Michael Meskes
Is this a known problem? Michael - Forwarded message from Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: 3 Apr 2000 06:03:23 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debian Bug Tracking System) To: Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Processed: Re: Processed: Processing commands for

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:02:29PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: But they could be, with minimal changes. Stick the latest .changes files in debian/changes somewhere and add some code to apt to get it. The changes file would be sufficient, but it is not ideal, because it always signs a

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 01:40:51AM +0200, Romain Chantereau wrote: So the original question remains: is there a simple pgcc available somewhere? Yes ! is there a simple pgcc available somewhere? There may or may not be, however I highly recommend avoiding pgcc. There are exactly two

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:10:27PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: We might want to revoke the old key. If James leaves we can't revoke his key because it is HIS key. We can however revoke the dinstall key because it is by definition Debian's key. But this is nitpicking. Who is Debian?

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 12:49:24PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: As I understand it, you can't actually *obtain* the keys, you can just *use* them. Often though, this is just as good. Yes. Snarf was the wrong word. Just being able to use them while the user is connected restricts your time

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 01:36:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Debian *can* make this decision, because we know each other. Most users can only go `James who?'. This is easily identified as a play with names. Who is this Debian person you refer to anyway? After all, behind every action is a

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Users don't have enough information to make such a decision, however. How do they know if James allowed a particular NMU to be made, [...] It would probably be better to let this essential package be maintained by a small team. Three or four people

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:58:18PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: The analogy is flawed. Solutions have been offered several times owner for DUL-listed or potentially DUL-listed users. All of which should not be too difficult to set up for a Debian

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:17:51AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: We all know how screwed up the former is. The latter has (and has had for some time) several very obnoxious bugs which result in bad code on certain Definately - pgcc should be approached with some caution. It's also been known

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 31, 2000

2000-04-03 Thread Siggy Brentrup
BugScan reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Package: at (debian/main) Maintainer: Siggy Brentrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61295 at depends on libelfg0 This bug is fixed in at 3.1.8-10. Since I still can't upload to master, would some kind soul please do it for me. The files are at

Re: Obsolete packages

2000-04-03 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 10:08:13AM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: manpages-net this package appeared only for a short time (and yes, I have it installed too). I think it was in Incoming only. How about re-creating it? Michael -- Michael Meskes | Go SF 49ers!

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:42:21AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: Furthermore, that any issue is unspecified in an RFC does not mean that the RFC's already address all issues that need to be addressed. Yes, exactly. Therefore ommission of any comment about dialup users making direct SMTP

Re: DUL (was Re: RBL report..)

2000-04-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 06:49:17AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: What mechanism do you propose that people on dynamic IP's use to identify their mails as non-spam while still making direct SMTP connections to the MX host of the destination domain? None, it is not necessary. Hamish --

Re: How to hide/show cursor without Ncurses ?

2000-04-03 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point is: an exact question needs an exact answer. Except for Craig's understandable but unfortunate need to take shots at old DOS programmers, he gave you the right answer---and to the extent that exactness matters, it is also exact. You asked, more or less, How

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-03 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:35:08AM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:28:41 David Starner wrote: Um, that's not what I've heard. Since optimizing for the Pentium will sometimes pessimize the Pentium (Pro, II, III), and the speedup from most programs is not that great, and

[PROPOSAL] update-binfmts - manages the binfmt_misc kernel module

2000-04-03 Thread Kristoffer . Rose
Dear Colin, I have some comments on your `update-binfmts' proposal. 1. I like it :) 2. It should be a separate package because we don't want any way that the standard dpkg package depends on a kernel option that may be compiled out of a custom kernel. It could be named binfmt-support

Re: [PROPOSAL] update-binfmts - manages the binfmt_misc kernel module

2000-04-03 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But then again this may be overloading the package system since there are quite a few kernel modules... But it would be nice with some standard way to specify a depend on a kernel-option and a provide of options for kernel patches. I don't know any way to check

Re: Bug#61674: Courier-IMAP is not usable with Netscape or Mozilla

2000-04-03 Thread Steve Haslam
On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 11:59:22AM +0200, root wrote: There are bugs in the IMAP implementation of Netscape and Mozilla. All the other IMAP servers have workaround to allow fetching from Netscape. Courier-IMAP has now a workaround, if it is compiled with

New shmfs and Debian

2000-04-03 Thread Grendel
Hi *, The new version of the Linux kernel will introduce a new file system called shmfs. It has to be mounted for the applications to use the shared memory features. The standard mountpoint for the shmfs is /var/shm. Maybe it would be wise to add the directory to the base-files package as well

Re: eximconfig: Option 4, Local delivery only

2000-04-03 Thread Paul Slootman
On Fri 31 Mar 2000, Jose Marin wrote: I was wondering if eximconfig is doing the right thing for this option. I have machines which are connected on a network, and I want to have a MTA but only for the benefit of apps like cron or debconf which need to send local mail. I expected that

Alternate LILO package?

2000-04-03 Thread Jordi Mallach
Some time ago, someone (I think it was Vincent) asked about the possibility of including the new LILO with LBA support in frozen, but IIRC this idea was discarded because there are some issues with this new version. Today I was wondering if it would be possible to add a new lilo-lba package with