Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Anand Kumria
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:57:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hamish The package could be redone not to use debhelper. At the same time, Hamish the package could be rewritten not to use the C compiler. Hamish Lazy programmers who

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-30 Thread Linh Dang
Hi first I'm just a debian-user, if you guys don't mind my 2 cents then here it is: I think a task packages is a bad approach to the too-many-packages problems. The organisation of the packages shouldn't be part of the dependency system, IMHO. This organization is intended to help clue-less

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Ryan Murray
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:08:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Don't do this. If you're hellbent on forking Debian packages just for the sake of doing so, or spraying them with Helix musk, then name the packages appropriately. helix-gnomecc helix-gnome-core helix-gdm In the case of

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Anand Kumria
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:02:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, there is no difference between our apps and the upstream in most cases. We do brand gnome-core and gdm, but those are the only packages I can think of offhand. Those are only graphics changes, substituting some of our

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:12:56PM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote: stable Debian releases only have security changes and critical bugfixes going into them once released. I feel that the security/bugfix is more important than any of the extras offered in the Stormix packages, so your suggestion

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 04:48:19PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other remarks on this subject. An Origin field is a great idea.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Ryan Murray
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:28:18AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:12:56PM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote: stable Debian releases only have security changes and critical bugfixes going into them once released. I feel that the security/bugfix is more important than

Re: Found the problem: was Re: Help

2000-08-30 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Dale Scheetz wrote: /usr/local/bin/pine not found If I explicitly call /usr/bin/pine it works just fine. I just checked on another user login, and no problems. This must be a bash command caching artifact. I guess logging out will fix it... hash -r would do it too. Ulf

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other remarks on this subject. An Origin field is a great idea. We have one,

Postgres removing old database

2000-08-30 Thread Tomas Berndtsson
Recently, I upgraded from Postgres 6.5.3 (stable Debian) to Postgres 7.0 (unstable). During the installation, it didn't ask me anything, besides overwriting the config files. Instead it gladly removed all my databases which were in /var/lib/postgres/data/base/. Luckily, I had made a dump myself,

Re: Non-US Incoming

2000-08-30 Thread Michael Sobolev
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 06:38:38PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 07:51:14PM +0400, Michael Sobolev wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 08:54:53AM -0700, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Michael Sobolev wrote: Is it possible to access this for non-developers?

Re: Galeon and Debian?

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Pregler
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:24:09PM -0500, Roland Bauerschmidt wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:41:16AM +1100, Andrew J Cosgriff wrote: You need to set MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME to $HOME/.mozilla Thanks! That was it! Now it runs fine. This was not enough for me. You also have to start mozilla at

Re: Galeon and Debian?

2000-08-30 Thread Per Lundberg
RB == Roland Bauerschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RB ** CRITICAL **: file RB ../../../../../embedding/browser/gtk/src/gtkmozembed.cpp: line RB 298 (void gtk_moz_embed_init(GtkMozEmbed *)): assertion RB `retval == TRUE' failed. FWIW, this is exactly the same error that I got.

Re: potato + updates

2000-08-30 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 06:44:48PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: The README on security.debian.org already gives you that line.. Hmm, strange. It seems I missed reading this. Thanks. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael@Fam-Meskes.De Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Aug-2000 Miros/law `Jubal' Baran wrote: Isn't /bin/ash POSIX compliant? I run ash as my /bin/sh. As for its compliance, I am not certain and no one will claim it being fullly compliant. AFAIK ash is as complaint as bash (in

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 08:22:16AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:21:55PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: I doubt you know what the logic was. No, I don't, because I can't see any logic in excluding debhelper. I don't know how the decision ended up being made,

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Aug-2000 Miros/law `Jubal' Baran wrote: Isn't /bin/ash POSIX compliant? I run ash as my /bin/sh. As for its compliance, I am not certain and no one will claim it being fullly compliant. AFAIK ash is as

Re: Free Pine?

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Surchi
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:56:28PM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: http://home.sol.no/~egilk/mana.html I was curious to see it, but I can't download. Ftp server does not allow anonymous connection... -- Christian Surchi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:04AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: It parses command line -en different from bash. Different getopts ;-) How does it differ? AFAIK, ash's getopts is POSIX compliant. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmVHI~} [EMAIL

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:04AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: It parses command line -en different from bash. Different getopts ;-) How does it differ? AFAIK, ash's getopts is POSIX compliant. Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I

Re: Postgres removing old database

2000-08-30 Thread Oliver Elphick
Tomas Berndtsson wrote: Recently, I upgraded from Postgres 6.5.3 (stable Debian) to Postgres 7.0 (unstable). During the installation, it didn't ask me anything, besides overwriting the config files. Instead it gladly removed all my databases which were in /var/lib/postgres/data/base/.

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:57:17AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I meant echo -ne. Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! (

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:57:17AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I meant echo -ne. Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:31:15PM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the word POSIX anywhere. I just said that there are tons things that will break. And this is Debian where we

Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-08-30 Thread Juhapekka Tolvanen
I don't subscribe to these lists, but I am smart enough to use archives of these mailing-lists in www. And you can Cc: to me, if you want. * * * Have you guys and girls seen this? What do you think about it? http://www.securityportal.com/closet/ Debian 2.2 Kurt Seifried August 30, 2000 - I

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:31:15PM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the word POSIX anywhere. I just said that there are tons things that will break. And this is Debian

Re: Bug reports by maintainer

2000-08-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:58:14PM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: I believe the goal is to remove the static pages completely. Only a few more scripts need to be written. And how would that be a good goal? People can mirror static pages, caches can cache them... We don't have a good,

Re: XEmacs/GTK 21.1.11

2000-08-30 Thread Juhapekka Tolvanen
Aaron Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED], that on Tue, 29 Aug 2000, +02:34:41 EEST (UTC +0300) pressed these keys: On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:34:11PM -0400, James LewisMoss wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:31:11 +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Juhapekka Who will package this?:

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:07:03PM -0500, Joseph Carter écrivait: Perhaps the existing Gnome maintainers interested could help by working on the packages in CVS? This takes some load off of Peter who is currently trying to do the whole Debianization process as well as upstream work himself

Re: Bug reports by maintainer

2000-08-30 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 02:02:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:58:14PM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: I believe the goal is to remove the static pages completely. Only a few more scripts need to be written. And how would that be a good goal? People can

Re: .bashrc (ls --color=auto setting)

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote: What you mean is actually done by dircolors, which checks the terminal type in a rather dump way, using a database, and not verifying termcaps: Why do you need to run dircolors anyway? I don't and I still get coloured output.. Wichert. --

Re: .bashrc (ls --color=auto setting)

2000-08-30 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 30 Aug 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote: What you mean is actually done by dircolors, which checks the terminal type in a rather dump way, using a database, and not verifying termcaps: Why do you need to run dircolors anyway? I don't and I still get

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:45:06PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Not having the helper packages included in the autobuild system appears to benefit, at most, around ~470 packages. It is not a benefit; it is simply irrelevant to them. Julian --

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-08-30 Thread Robert van der Meulen
Hi, I don't like crossposting to mailinglists, so i post this to debian-devel, as well as a Cc to the original author. Quoting Juhapekka Tolvanen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have you guys and girls seen this? What do you think about it? http://www.securityportal.com/closet/ Before you flame me,

CGI bug scripts

2000-08-30 Thread Julian Gilbey
Anthony, Is it my imagination, or is bugreport.cgi *really* slow? I think that we should really investigate the possibility of using mod_perl. It's using CGI.pm, which is *big* and takes time to load. I've written scripts which I use under mod_perl and the time difference is astonishing. It

Re: Installed ld.so.preload-manager 0.3.2-2 (source i386)

2000-08-30 Thread Ron Rademaker
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Ben Collins wrote: Changes: ld.so.preload-manager (0.3.2-2) unstable; urgency=low . * Closes:#70398 I've noticed sort of a trend here lately. Changelog entries are getting more and more ambiguous. Can this stop please? You won't see anything like this in

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Anton Ivanov wrote: If you are right at least apache scripts are not. I suggest you file a bug against it. If you know how to call apache scripts to demonstrate the error then please file the bug yourself. Check before, if you run an up-to-date apache. apache starts up correctly

Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Dale Scheetz
Since my last upgrade to potato I've been getting a lot of messages like the following: DEBUG: --Relation pg_rules-- DEBUG: Pages 0: Changed 0, Reapped 0, Empty 0, New 0; Tup 0: Vac 0, Keep/VTL 0/0, Crash 0, UnUsed 0, MinLen 0, MaxLen 0; Re-using: Free/Avail. Space 0/0; EndEmpty/Avail. Pages

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Robert van der Meulen
Quoting Dale Scheetz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Since my last upgrade to potato I've been getting a lot of messages like the following: snip messages There doesn't seem to be any real information here. Can anyone tell me what is triggering these messages? They're postgres debug messages. Somehow,

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 04:17:42AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: Since my last upgrade to potato I've been getting a lot of messages like the following: DEBUG: --Relation pg_rules-- DEBUG: Pages 0: Changed 0, Reapped 0, Empty 0, New 0; Tup 0: Vac 0, Keep/VTL 0/0, Crash 0, UnUsed 0, MinLen 0,

debian 2.2 review at http://www.securityportal.com/closet/

2000-08-30 Thread Paul Slootman
I've just read your article on debian 2.2. While you make many valid points, I'm confused about a couple of them. Moving on. Once the basic install is done, you will discover that several services are enabled in inetd that shouldn't be. Discard, daytime, time, shell,

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:02:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, there is no difference between our apps and the upstream in most cases. We do brand gnome-core and gdm, but those are the only packages I can think of offhand. Those are only graphics changes, substituting some of our

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Ashley Clark
* Dale Scheetz in Strange messages... dated 2000/08/30 04:17 wrote: Since my last upgrade to potato I've been getting a lot of messages like the following: DEBUG: --Relation pg_rules-- DEBUG: Pages 0: Changed 0, Reapped 0, Empty 0, New 0; Tup 0: Vac 0, Keep/VTL 0/0, Crash 0, UnUsed 0,

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:20:48AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other

Re: .bashrc (ls --color=auto setting)

2000-08-30 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 02:31:26PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: Why do you need to run dircolors anyway? I don't and I still get coloured output.. Then you must have some other arrangement to get the colors; it's not enabled by default. Try a fresh install (I have). Maybe a direct setting of

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Anton Ivanov wrote: If you are right at least apache scripts are not. I suggest you file a bug against it. If you know how to call apache scripts to demonstrate the error then please file the bug yourself. Check before, if you run an up-to-date apache. I do apache

APT problem

2000-08-30 Thread Michael Meskes
I just tried to upgrade my Corel installation via the net and have some strange behaviour when using apt: feivel:~# dpkg -l libc6¸ Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Anton Ivanov wrote: apache starts up correctly for me on every system boot, and I do have /bin/sh pointing to /bin/ash as well. My fault. It actually uses #!/bin/bash which it should not anyway Well, #!/bin/bash scripts are allowed to use bashisms :) Ulf

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Marillat
PT == Peter Teichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] PT This solution looks like the best one. I'll start rebuilding our PT packages immediately. Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian

Re: Free Pine?

2000-08-30 Thread Chris Allegretta
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:03:44PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:56:28PM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: http://home.sol.no/~egilk/mana.html I was curious to see it, but I can't download. Ftp server does not allow anonymous connection... I found a copy at

dpkg-scanpackages arguments, output Packages files, and apt

2000-08-30 Thread Eray Ozkural
I was running dpkg-scanpackages to construct a custom apt source. This was the first time I really ran it, so I encountered the peculiar style that I had to conform to. This was what I had to write to make a Packages file in a flat dir: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/debian$ dpkg-scanpackages .

Re: Free Pine?

2000-08-30 Thread Martin Jenssen
* Chris Allegretta | I found a copy at ftp://ftp.kvaleberg.com/pub/mana-4.0beta.tar.gz, I | guess it's a mirror. A whole lot of warnings when trying to compile it, | but it looks interesting. Actually, I think it's the official site. The official homepage for Mana is:

apt source for sather and ddclient

2000-08-30 Thread Eray Ozkural
You may use the following apt source for my ddclient deb and the sather debs that I've fixed for woody. deb http://139.179.21.143/~exa/debian/ ./ Please see ITPs on wnpp and on this list for information on these packages. Thanks, __ -+++-+++-++-++-++--+---++- --- -- - - +

Re: CGI bug scripts

2000-08-30 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:53:46PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: Anthony, Is it my imagination, or is bugreport.cgi *really* slow? I think that we should really investigate the possibility of using mod_perl. It's using CGI.pm, which is *big* and takes time to load. I've written scripts

Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Thomas Guettler
Redhat, Suse, Microsoft they need version numbers so that they can announce their great new release of their operating system. It is more or less marketing hype. But Debian is different. It is a collection of several single application on top of Linux/Hurd. And we don't need the marketing hype of

ANNOUNCE: First official release of apt-show-source

2000-08-30 Thread Dennis Schoen
ANNOUNCE: First official release of apt-show-source What is it? It's a perl script that parses the dpkg status file and that APT list files that end with Sources, without any options it prints out all installed packages and versions were a different version is available through your

ITP: bbppp -- A blackbox ppp tool

2000-08-30 Thread Timshel Knoll
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2000-08-31 Severity: normal Source: bbppp Section: x11 Priority: optional Maintainer: Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build-Depends: debhelper (= 1.2.9), xlib6g-dev, libstdc++-dev, g++ Standards-Version: 3.1.1 Package: bbppp Architecture: any Depends:

ITP: bbdate -- A blackbox date tool

2000-08-30 Thread Timshel Knoll
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2000-08-31 Severity: normal Source: bbdate Section: x11 Priority: optional Maintainer: Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build-Depends: debhelper (= 1.2.9), xlib6g-dev, libstdc++-dev, g++ Standards-Version: 3.1.1 Package: bbdate Architecture: any Depends:

ITP: bbsload -- A blackbox system load tool

2000-08-30 Thread Timshel Knoll
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2000-08-31 Severity: normal Source: bbdate Section: x11 Priority: optional Maintainer: Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build-Depends: debhelper (= 1.2.9), xlib6g-dev, libstdc++-dev, g++ Standards-Version: 3.1.1 Package: bbdate Architecture: any Depends:

ITP: bbtime -- A blackbox time tool

2000-08-30 Thread Timshel Knoll
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2000-08-31 Severity: normal Source: bbdate Section: unknown Priority: optional Maintainer: Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build-Depends: debhelper (= 1.2.9), xlib6g-dev, libstdc++-dev, g++ Standards-Version: 3.1.1 Package: bbdate Architecture: any Depends:

Re: MANA - Free Pine? yet another dead mailer/newsreader?

2000-08-30 Thread Sven Guckes
* Jimmy O'Regan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000829 22:40]: ) But are there any features that ) mutt and slrn do not offer yet? How about it's pine ;) No further questions. ;-) Problem is though, the discussion about the IMAPD license started with rms mentioning that the FSF had tried to resurrect

Re: Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:05:58PM +0200, Thomas Guettler wrote: But I am interested what you think about this crazy idea to remove version numbers (like debian2.2) from debian? How do u call slink? Old Stable? :) No i think it is not a bad idea to have a version number. The only question is

Re: APT problem

2000-08-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:49:27PM -0700, Michael Meskes wrote: Could anyone please explain this to me? Did Corel do anything to their files that makes apt think it has to upgrade although its up-to-date? Or is this a bug in apt? I see this quite often, so it is a bug in the curret apt lib.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:50:08PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote: PT == Peter Teichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] PT This solution looks like the best one. I'll start rebuilding our PT packages immediately. Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL

Re: CGI bug scripts

2000-08-30 Thread James A. Treacy
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:43:29PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:53:46PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: Anthony, Is it my imagination, or is bugreport.cgi *really* slow? I think that we should really investigate the possibility of using mod_perl. It's using

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 29-Aug-00, 16:05 (CDT), Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense to make policy something like All official Debian auto-build machines will have installed this set of build packages: gcc, ..., and debhelper. Debian packages are not required to specify build dependencies

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Aug-00, 04:21 (CDT), Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how the decision ended up being made, but the argument I presented at the time is that a dependency on debhelper is far more likely to be versioned than the others are. A package that makes use of a new

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Jules Bean wrote: Well, they're from Postgres, I can tell you that much. OK... Probably you have one of the debug trace options on in your postgres config files (in /etc/postgresql). I have? ;-) I looked in /etc/postgresql and found several files, none of which set

Re: ANNOUNCE: First official release of apt-show-source

2000-08-30 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi, If you were to augment apt-show-source in the following ways, I can see it becoming a household word :) I think for people inside debian who never gets out, this package can be useful, because then they can see what upstream source pkg to get if they decide to poke outside. However, I

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Christian Marillat wrote: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where did that come from That won't do anything at all and will make dpkg-gencontrol complain loudly at you. Wichert. --

Re: Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Vincent L. Mulhollon
A Debian package is either unstable, (testing) or stable. And everybody should use the package that fits his needs. Debian is evolving constantly, not in single steps. But I am interested what you think about this crazy idea to remove version numbers (like debian2.2) from debian? I

Rfp: galeon

2000-08-30 Thread Daniele Cruciani
Hi, I've read on this list about ITP of galeon (web browser), but i don't remenber who announce ITP and I can't find that package on experimental. thank you. -- Daniele Cruciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universita` di Pisa - Informatica - http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~cruciani/

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Ashley Clark wrote: They are courtesy of PostgreSQL, the behaviour of the config file has changed between two of the versions. You can add PGDEBUG=0 to your /etc/postgresql/postmaster.init file and they will disappear. Cool! Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:20:48AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: 3) Libraries - All possible effort should be made to make Debian the primary source of libraries. Period full stop. This is so important because of what we are seeing with helix and their special library

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2830T112651-0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 29-Aug-00, 16:05 (CDT), Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense to make policy something like All official Debian auto-build machines will have installed this set of build packages: gcc, ..., and debhelper. Debian

Re: RFP: galeon

2000-08-30 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 08:30:39PM -0500, Roland Bauerschmidt wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Sorry, /me is a fool. I should have looked in the bug database before reporting this. :-/ Nevertheless I've made a galeon package which should work ok. You can find them under

Re: XEmacs/GTK 21.1.11

2000-08-30 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fear, that it will take so much time, that we must have separately packaged XEmacs/Gtk meanwhile. And I fear, that latest upstream sources of XEmacs will ship with too old version of XEmacs/Gtk. Just check out, how old version of Gnus and Auctex

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Aug-00, 12:51 (CDT), Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2830T112651-0500, Steve Greenland wrote: That's pretty much the definition (or at least the *use*) of Build-Essential: packages that may be assumed to be present, so that they need not be listed in

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-08-30 Thread Colin Watson
Robert van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like crossposting to mailinglists, so i post this to debian-devel, as well as a Cc to the original author. Maybe you should have *really* Cc'd the original author :) (Read the article again; he isn't Juhapekka, that's for sure ...) -- Colin

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-08-30 Thread Bob Bernstein
Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you guys and girls seen this? What do you think about it? http://www.securityportal.com/closet/ I demur from the generally benign flavor of the reactions I've seen so far. I think this was a hatchet job by a guy who appears completely

Re: Rfp: galeon

2000-08-30 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 06:59:25PM +0200, Daniele Cruciani wrote: I've read on this list about ITP of galeon (web browser), but i don't remenber who announce ITP and I can't find that package on experimental. I have made a package which can be found uder

Bug#70603: Can we please list build-essential packages in Developer's Corner?

2000-08-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist On 2830T130630-0500, Steve Greenland wrote: find out what I could leave out of by Build-Depends stanza. It would *much* easier for developers, if less ideologically pure, to just list the damn packages on the Developers Corner part of the website.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread John Goerzen
Christian Marillat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoa! What packages understand this, and where is it documented? Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Arthur Korn
Hello. Anand Kumria schrieb: Not having the helper packages included in the autobuild system appears to benefit, at most, around ~470 packages. May I ask how they benefit? It's only a (little) burden on the packages that use debhelper, but I can't see any benefits for packages not using it.

Re: Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Eray Ozkural
Thomas Guettler wrote: But I am interested what you think about this crazy idea to remove version numbers (like debian2.2) from debian? It's really crazy. Removing version numbers mean that the dependency graph must be synchronized globally which is impossible AFAIK. In addition to this, it

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Marillat
JG == John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Whoa! What packages understand this, and where is it documented? Sorry this is a error. The right place for this is in: /usr/share/bug/$package/control For more

Re: Installed console-apt 0.7.7.2potato1 (source i386)

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Surchi
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 02:52:16PM -0400, Randolph Chung wrote: Installed: console-apt_0.7.7.2potato1_i386.deb to dists/proposed-updates/console-apt_0.7.7.2potato1_i386.deb What does it mean? console-apt is not in potato and is it put again in stable? bye Christian -- Christian Surchi

Re: Rfp: galeon

2000-08-30 Thread Eray Ozkural
orion:exa$ galeon /usr/bin/galeon-bin: error in loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory What's happening? Where's this library? How could I install the package if this is a dependency? Thanks, --

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Herbert == Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Herbert And this is Debian where we have a policy that says #!/bin/sh scripts Herbert need to be POSIX compliant. What policy says is: The standard shell interpreter ``/bin/sh'' can be a symbolic link to any POSIX compatible

Re: Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Eric Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vincent L. Mulhollon) writes: Perhaps any package can live in unstable, but any package that has a release critical bug older than 1 week is zapped from stable and placed back in unstable. Upon next package upload, it will be reinstated into stable. Ack! Can you imagine

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
You cannot use it as a default shell without auditing all scripts. I have used ash for over a year now as my /bin/sh.

Re: .bashrc (ls --color=auto setting)

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Paul Slootman wrote: Then you must have some other arrangement to get the colors; it's not enabled by default. Try a fresh install (I have). Maybe a direct setting of LS_COLORS in your .bash_profile or whatever? Nope: [tornado;~/cistron]-15 env|grep LS zsh: done env | zsh:

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
You cannot use it as a default shell without auditing all scripts. I have used ash for over a year now as my /bin/sh. OK, OK, OK, I surrender. I have to admit my experience was rather old and the quantity of bashisms have sharply decreased. So you can run another

Suggestion about security

2000-08-30 Thread Cherubini Enrico
Hi, my suggestion about choosing between a simple to install or increased security: you can work for easy installing and giving the people the freedom to choice at the end of the installation process if secure the system. There will be a procedure at the end of the installation that will take any

Re: APT problem

2000-08-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: Could anyone please explain this to me? Did Corel do anything to their files that makes apt think it has to upgrade although its up-to-date? Or is this a bug in apt? I see this quite often, so it is a bug in the curret apt lib. aptitude is

Re: Bugs over two years old

2000-08-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: For your amusement: (it's actually been a year or two since I last posted this now too... The comments are probably pretty outdated) Bugs Over Two Years Old ... Package: emacs19 Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark

Re: APT problem

2000-08-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Michael Meskes wrote: | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionDescription

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Steve Greenland wrote: It is not unreasonable to assume that the latest-and-greatest version of all the build-essential packages will be installed. I wonder what world you are living in. It is in reality a completely unreasonable assumption. Wichert. --

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Richard Braakman wrote: I don't know how the decision ended up being made, but the argument I presented at the time is that a dependency on debhelper is far more likely to be versioned than the others are. A package that makes use of a new feature of debhelper is going to have to

Re: Crazy idea: removing version numbers from debian

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Thomas Guettler wrote: Debian is evolving constantly, not in single steps. True. But I am interested what you think about this crazy idea to remove version numbers (like debian2.2) from debian? Won't work. Users demand a know really stable system, and with a dynamic system we

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