Work-needing packages report for Jan 4, 2002

2002-01-03 Thread wnpp
Report about packages that need work for Jan 4, 2002 Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 55 Number of packages offered up for adoption this week: 3 Total number of orphaned packages: 117 Number of packages orphaned this week: 28 The number in parenthesis after each package name is

Uploaded xmakemol 5.02-2 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:52:11 +0100 Source: xmakemol Binary: xmakemol xmakemol-gl Architecture: m68k Version: 5.02-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael Banck

Uploaded whois 4.5.17 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:27:23 +0100 Source: whois Binary: whois Architecture: m68k Version: 4.5.17 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Uploaded saytime 1.0-10 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:12:40 -0800 Source: saytime Binary: saytime Architecture: m68k Version: 1.0-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: David Kimdon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Uploaded dcethreads 2.0.2-4 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:06:05 +0100 Source: dcethreads Binary: libdcethreads2 libdcethreads-dev Architecture: m68k Version: 2.0.2-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Uploaded beecrypt 2.1.0-3 (m68k) to non-us

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:58:28 -0800 Source: beecrypt Binary: beecrypt2-dev beecrypt2 Architecture: m68k Version: 2.1.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Luca

Uploaded bind9 9.2.0-4 (m68k all) to non-us

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:12:14 -0700 Source: bind9 Binary: libisccc0 libbind-dev bind9-host libisccfg0 lwresd liblwres1 libdns5 libisc4 dnsutils bind9 bind9-doc Architecture: m68k all Version: 1:9.2.0-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency:

Uploaded scigraphica 0.8.0-3 (m68k all) to ftp-master

2002-01-03 Thread Debian/m68k buildd2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:01:27 +0900 Source: scigraphica Binary: scigraphica-gnome scigraphica scigraphica-common Architecture: m68k all Version: 0.8.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian/m68k - bruno [EMAIL

Uploaded bibletime 1.0.2-2 (m68k) to ftp-master

2002-01-03 Thread Debian/m68k buildd2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:40:18 + Source: bibletime Binary: bibletime Architecture: m68k Version: 1.0.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian/m68k - bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Daniel Glassey [EMAIL

Uploaded asterisk 0.1.9-5 (m68k) to ftp-master

2002-01-03 Thread Debian/m68k buildd2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:00:09 +1100 Source: asterisk Binary: asterisk Architecture: m68k Version: 0.1.9-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian/m68k - bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Mark Purcell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Uploaded raccess4vbox3 0.2.6 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:48:33 +0100 Source: raccess4vbox3 Binary: raccess4vbox3 Architecture: m68k Version: 0.2.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL

Uploaded dillo 0.6.3-2 (m68k) to erlangen

2002-01-03 Thread buildd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:09:31 -0700 Source: dillo Binary: dillo Architecture: m68k Version: 0.6.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Ron Farrer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: proftpd with the security bug fixed still not in testing due to m68k

2002-01-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
First of all, note that -68k is officialy a users' forum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the m68k porters' mailinglist. Cc changed accordingly. On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Josip Rodin wrote: Hi, It seems the lack of a m68k package for proftpd 1.2.4-2 is stopping proftpd from propagating into testing, and the

BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
(crossposted to debian-legal for input on the license; please direct followups to -devel or -legal as appropriate) Has anyone looked into packaging BitKeeper (www.bitkeeper.com)? The license[0] is obviously non-free due to usage restrictions, but people seem to like it, and some of the licensing

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone looked into packaging BitKeeper (www.bitkeeper.com)? The license[0] is obviously non-free due to usage restrictions, but people seem to like it, and some of the licensing restrictions are arguably in defense of other kinds of freedom. I am

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Thomas! You wrote: From http://www.debian.org/devel/people, I see: Maintainer, Unknown Kernel Package [EMAIL PROTECTED] main: kernel-doc-2.4.5-r4k-kn04, kernel-source-2.4.5-r4k-kn04 What's up with this? This is not a legitimate maintainer address IMO. Probably the script that

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Mikael Hedin wrote: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the Norwegian and Swedish keymap (relative to US layout: Shift4) All my keyboards (swedish) have it on AltGr + e. Shift + 4 is still the ¤-symbol (currency). Excuse my ignorance but I

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:46:02PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Mikael Hedin wrote: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the Norwegian and Swedish keymap (relative to US layout: Shift4) All my keyboards (swedish) have it on AltGr + e.

Re: how to move a config file during package upgrade

2002-01-03 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 03:17:09PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Thomas Lange wrote: my package fai will have a new location for its configuration file /etc/fai.conf. The next version will use /etc/fai/fai.conf. How can I handle this in a preinst script during an upgrade ? Any

Re: Bug#127461: ITP: SkunkWeb - An extensible and easy to use web application server

2002-01-03 Thread Dave Swegen
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 07:36:11PM +, Rob Bradford wrote: On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 15:50, Dave Swegen wrote: package: wnpp severity: wishlist License: GPL v2 URL: http://skunkweb.sourceforge.net Description: SkunkWeb is a web application server written in python. It

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 23:08, Mikael Hedin wrote: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - the Norwegian and Swedish keymap (relative to US layout: Shift4) All my keyboards (swedish) have it on AltGr + e. Shift + 4 is still the ¤-symbol (currency). I suppose swedish and danish

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Zephaniah E\. Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse my ignorance but I have no keys labelled AltGr. Which is it? The right alt key. And for those of us that type using 10 fingers, what is the compose sequence? =e, $e, |e don't seem to work. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: Preparing a Proposal: 3 DD needed for every NEW package

2002-01-03 Thread Lars Bahner
On Tue, 2002-01-01 at 12:51, Egon Willighagen wrote: Yes, wether it is after 1 or 2 releases... IMHO, i think it is important that the Debian Project should decide what is good for the distribution... all packages that do not meet 'our' standard can be moved into unstable and being in

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Bitkeeper is (as you note) not free. Not only the usage restrictions are a problem, but also the requirement that changes you make may be distributed by BitOwner under any license. Thats not non-free in any way. The Freedom DFSG describes is

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Jan! You wrote: And for those of us that type using 10 fingers, what is the compose sequence? =e, $e, |e don't seem to work. -E and =E work for me. BTW: is there any particular reason why the sequences differ between console and X? -- Kind regards,

Re: Processed: Fixed in NMU of tkstep8.0 8.0.4p2-4.1

2002-01-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: tag 126700 + fixed Bug#126700: tkstep8.0: never removes alternative Tags added: fixed Why on earth do you make a NMU for my package less than 24 hours after the original bug report and

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2002-01-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: ... In fact, I would consider it acceptable in general to move everything in contrib to main as long as it each package was forced to be priority extra until it was suitable for general-purpose use as packaged in main (including any dependencies,

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2002-01-03 Thread test

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit: Bitkeeper is (as you note) not free. Not only the usage restrictions are a problem, but also the requirement that changes you make may be distributed by BitOwner under any license. Thats not non-free in any way. The Freedom DFSG

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please elaborate. There is nothing in the DFSG saying the a licens can't require you to give the original autor all rights to you changes. So that single part of the license I refered to does not makes it even more or even less non-free. -- Når folk

[Fwd: URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL]

2002-01-03 Thread Erling Berge
419 on the loose again, Erling Berge -- Professor, Ph.D., Department of Sociology and Political Science, Norwegian University of Science and Technology, NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway tel.: +47 73591721 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage:

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:23:50AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: From http://www.debian.org/devel/people, I see: Maintainer, Unknown Kernel Package [EMAIL PROTECTED] main: kernel-doc-2.4.5-r4k-kn04, kernel-source-2.4.5-r4k-kn04 What's up with this? This is not a legitimate

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:47:41PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Maintainer, Unknown Kernel Package [EMAIL PROTECTED] How the hell were you able to draw that conclusion? The script may be broken, but that it would randomly insert local data into the web pages, well that's just too stupid

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Yann Dirson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: I tried to include the support for Euro and Cent in the console keymaps. Cent is not a problem. It is allmost unknown and AltGR-e could be surely used for this. But Euro is a problem - keymaps have different location of the ?. I

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 08:06:33PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:36:24 +1100 Mark Purcell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question still remains. If we require a big recompile, when/ how are we going to bother to advise the maintainers of these packages? It has been

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:52:01AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: (crossposted to debian-legal for input on the license; please direct followups to -devel or -legal as appropriate) Has anyone looked into packaging BitKeeper (www.bitkeeper.com)? We have a package here which we build from the

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: - Most keyboards have AltGr-e as Euro As far as I know most keyboards don't have an AltGr key.. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:17:01AM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 08:06:33PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:36:24 +1100 Mark Purcell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question still remains. If we require a big recompile, when/ how are we going to

Re: Processed: Fixed in NMU of tkstep8.0 8.0.4p2-4.1

2002-01-03 Thread LaMont Jones
Additionally I see that you did other changes to unix/tkstepConfig.sh that aren't even mentioned in the changelog! Here is the complete diff between what I uploaded, and what was in the archive. Dunno what change you're seeing in tkstepConfig.sh, but it was there in 4p2-4. lamont

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Edward Betts
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Most keyboards have AltGr-e as Euro - the French keymap (relative to US layout: AltGr]) - the Hungarian keymap (relative to US layout: AltGr\) - the Norwegian and Swedish keymap (relative to US layout: Shift4) Did I miss anything or is something

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2002-01-03 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
If a package has gotten very stale, and nobody has taken up maintainence, isn't that a pretty good indication that nobody is using it anyhow? What about taking packages like that and removing the binary .deb, but leave the last source package in the archive... there should be a way through

Re: Sponsor for gkrellm-newsticker

2002-01-03 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Hereward Cooper may or may not have written... I'm looking for a sponsor for gkrellm-newsticker. The upstream can be found at http://www.tu-ilmenau.de/~tisa-in/newsticker.html The debian package can be found at http://www.zadok.uklinux.net/debian Gkrellm-newsticker scrolls

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2002-01-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: If a package has gotten very stale, and nobody has taken up maintainence, isn't that a pretty good indication that nobody is using it anyhow? Is it? Is the average Debian user both able and willing to be a maintainer, and sufficiently aware of ongoing developments

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ed Tomlinson
I use debain. As a debian user I am quite distressed at how this bug is being treated. I have watched the bug reports on this issue and have created one (See 127215). From my perspective the problem seems to be the libpng3 changes the dependencies of qt2 and hense kde. It seems the fix is not

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Josip! You wrote: Maintainer, Unknown Kernel Package [EMAIL PROTECTED] main: kernel-doc-2.4.5-r4k-kn04, kernel-source-2.4.5-r4k-kn04 What's up with this? This is not a legitimate maintainer address IMO. Probably the script that generates this page is broken How

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Ed Tomlinson wrote: and have created one (See 127215). From my perspective the problem seems to be the libpng3 changes the dependencies of qt2 and hense kde. It seems the fix is not to revert/fix libpng but to fix the qt dependencies however I get the impression that

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Maintainer, Unknown Kernel Package [EMAIL PROTECTED] main: kernel-doc-2.4.5-r4k-kn04, kernel-source-2.4.5-r4k-kn04 What's up with this? This is not a legitimate maintainer address IMO. Probably the

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Ari Makela
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:08:48AM +0100, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: I suppose swedish and danish keyboards are alike. I think they are almost identical. AFAIK the only difference is that 'ä' and 'ö' have changed places on the keyboard. And, of course, the Danes do not use 'ö' but ø but

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Ari Makela
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:23:24PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: As far as I know most keyboards don't have an AltGr key.. In North America that's probably correct (what would they do with it?) but it's essential with European languages with the possible exception of British English. In the

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-03 21:06]: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: What I meant was: the page was apparently generated from local data (from a local /var/lib/dpkg/available perhaps?). And I said it _was not_. The broken package really was in

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Stephen Zander
Peter == Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter There is nothing in the DFSG saying the a licens can't Peter require you to give the original autor all rights to you Peter changes. So that single part of the license I refered to Peter does not makes it even more or even

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Bitkeeper is (as you note) not free. Not only the usage restrictions are a problem, but also the requirement that changes you make may be distributed by BitOwner under any license. Thats not

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:28:22PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: And to be honest - you could have tried to check the Packages file you get from debian archive. What, you want the devel/people script to check the validity of the emails in the Packages files? But that was quite some days

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2002-01-03 Thread Darrell Rene Dupas
no it isnt flame bait but it is newbie bait! there is an good discussion on this very topic at the following url http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ take care. i am not a maintaner yet! someday hopefully dd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: If a package has gotten

Re: bogus maintainers?

2002-01-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-03 22:31]: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:28:22PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: And to be honest - you could have tried to check the Packages file you get from debian archive. What, you want the devel/people script to check the validity of the emails in

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Samuel Tardieu
On 3/01, Ari Makela wrote: | In the Nordic keyboard mappings too many important characters ( {[]}\$ to | mention a few) are behind AltGR (the right alt). It's quite common that | Nordic programmers use US mappings when they code or some home brewd | version of US keymap. A keyboard that is

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2002-01-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Darrell Rene Dupas wrote: no it isnt flame bait but it is newbie bait! Not if you read it correctly. Try again. there is an good discussion on this very topic at the following url http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ I was talking about Debian policy and procedures, not

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: OK, perhaps the relicensing rule is not non-free; I'm less sure of that. But the outright prohibition of certain modifications certainly kills it. I only talked about the relicensing issues. I'm sorry it wasn't clear by my quoting (I can see

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Hi! I'm using this discussion for the RFC for a bug/feature I'm experiencing regarding the EURO-symbol. I still didn't get the euro-sign to work in console, but that doesn't bother me because I do almost everything under X. When I use a iso8859-15 font in xterm, the euro will display correctly,

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ari Makela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:23:24PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: As far as I know most keyboards don't have an AltGr key.. In North America that's probably correct (what would they do with it?) but it's essential with European

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: ... We actually need a Debian-wide (well, probably a LSB-wide) fix for the problem. The same kind of breakage is expected to hit us again and again until we do that. This kind of problem does only occur if we ship several versions of a

Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
Hi, I had several discussions with people on Debian lists that became very emotional. They thought that they were right in a discussion and I thought that I was right and nothing but anger resulted from these discussions. Several times the opponents in these discussions are people that are longer

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: ... We actually need a Debian-wide (well, probably a LSB-wide) fix for the problem. The same kind of breakage is expected to hit us again and again until we do that. This kind of problem does

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2002-01-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Craig Dickson wrote: Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: If a package has gotten very stale, and nobody has taken up maintainence, isn't that a pretty good indication that nobody is using it anyhow? Is it? Is the average Debian user both able and willing to be a Obviously

Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V102 #11

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Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V102 #11

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Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:07:57PM -0500, Ed Tomlinson wrote: I use debain. As a debian user I am quite distressed at how this bug is being treated. I have watched the bug reports on this issue and have created one (See 127215). If a bug I filed had been treated that way, I would have

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: This kind of problem does only occur if we ship several versions of a shared library at the same time (in this case libpng2 and libpng3). As Or if the user needs to have different versions of said library because of some closed-source

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: This kind of problem does only occur if we ship several versions of a shared library at the same time (in this case libpng2 and libpng3). As Or if the user needs to have different versions of

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:47:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: This kind of problem does only occur if we ship several versions of a shared library at the same time (in this case libpng2 and libpng3). As Or if the user needs to have

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:41:59PM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:07:57PM -0500, Ed Tomlinson wrote: I use debain. As a debian user I am quite distressed at how this bug is being treated. I have watched the bug reports on this issue and have created one (See

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Sam Couter
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please tell me where I stated I would do the work for our users? When you signed up as a Debian Developer. -- Sam Couter | Internet Engineer | http://www.topic.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]| tSA Consulting | OpenPGP key ID:

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote: Hi, One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable release at about once a year. Currently the software in our stable release is two years old and I see

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking about it doesn't help. Solve the problem. Yeah, but I read Adrian's mail as attempting to prod people into trying to think of solutions. The 'testing' release is an attempted

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:22:56AM +1100, Sam Couter wrote: Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please tell me where I stated I would do the work for our users? When you signed up as a Debian Developer. no. I did not. No where did I state I would submit bug reports for our users,

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no. I did not. No where did I state I would submit bug reports for our users, provide all the necessary information on behalf of users, or anything of the sort. I am a Debian Developer, not a secretary. It is the responsibility of every Debian

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 00:24, Adrian Bunk wrote: Most of us who work for Debian do this in our spare time. But I do personally disagree with the you can't force a volunteer to do anything argument I heard in several discussions. These were discussions about things where some work of the

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: first off the package kde is a meta package that has no binaries so there is absolutely no problem with that package. The bug report was closed with a comment of file it against the proper packages please. What is so wrong about this? Absolutely

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:37:24PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no. I did not. No where did I state I would submit bug reports for our users, provide all the necessary information on behalf of users, or anything of the sort. I am a Debian

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:40:26PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: first off the package kde is a meta package that has no binaries so there is absolutely no problem with that package. The bug report was closed with a comment of file it

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: I am not a secretary. If the user wants all those bugs filed he can do it himself. *NO*. If a user wants all those bugs filled, he should mail -devel and ask about it. Just like we urge developers to do before mass-filling bugs. -- One disk to

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:19:02PM -0700, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:41:59PM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: If a bug I filed had been treated that way, I would have reopened it immediately. Closing a bug out of hand just because you don't agree with where it has been

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking about it doesn't help. Solve the problem. Debian is too big. Split it up in 'core' (must fit easily on one CD) and 'added value' (the other 21 CDs).

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:41:59PM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:07:57PM -0500, Ed Tomlinson wrote: I use debain. As a debian user I am quite distressed at how this bug is being treated. I have watched the bug reports

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: your right..but we are not talking about that. We are talking about a bug report filed against a meta package where the user wanted me to submit bugs for each of the 40+ packages he listed. Anthony Towns was working on a clone command last weekend

Size of file changes when uploading to ftp servers.

2002-01-03 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
Hi, I'm a bit puzzled, I upload some weeks ago a package to non-us ftp-master server. I just realize the size of the file has changed between my local copy and the file available at packages.debian.org : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.0 Source: crafty Version: 18.12-4

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:24:12 +0100 (CET) Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable totally agreed, I hope debian-installer will be one of the solutions to

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
On 04 Jan 2002 01:33:35 +0200 Fabian Fagerholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the real debian problem is not about maintainers MIA, orphaned packages or slow release cycles. The real problem is about lack of smooth introduction of new participants, and a complicated, undocumented internal

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 06:09:31PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: your right..but we are not talking about that. We are talking about a bug report filed against a meta package where the user wanted me to submit bugs for each of the 40+ packages he

Re: Size of file changes when uploading to ftp servers.

2002-01-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Eric Van Buggenhaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.04.0101 +0100]: 75337cc8ad3a21e3eb46e31fa24d5393 1000617 crafty_18.12-4.diff.gz fb8740eea8c993d911521da4e3585edf 1000616 crafty_18.12-4.diff.gz ^^^ Anyone understands this ? they have

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2002-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 01:12:01PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: ... In fact, I would consider it acceptable in general to move everything in contrib to main as long as it each package was forced to be priority extra until it was suitable for

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 12:39:31PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: BTW: is there any particular reason why the sequences differ between console and X? Yes. XFree86 and console-{tools,data} have completely different upstreams. -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a

Re: BitKeeper

2002-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 01:13:13PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: OK, perhaps the relicensing rule is not non-free; I'm less sure of that. I don't think it's obvious from a casual reading of the DFSG that such a requirement is non-free, but perhaps it should be. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 06:09:31PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: your right..but we are not talking about that. We are talking about a bug report filed against a meta package where the user wanted me to

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 02:23, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: smooth introduction? you never heard of policy, maint-guide, developers' reference, web pages, etc, have you? I have. That is not what I call a smooth introduction. For a person who can devote, say 24 hours per month to working on a

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 18:33, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: What the people writing about this matter seem to be after is - what is expected of a maintainer? - how does the debian project fit together? - what can I do? - what must I know to be able to do this? - where do I go to ask if I must know

Re: Size of file changes when uploading to ftp servers.

2002-01-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 01:01:26AM +0100, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: ftp-master server. I just realize the size of the file has changed between my local copy and the file available at packages.debian.org : it has not, the checksum has: 75337cc8ad3a21e3eb46e31fa24d5393 1000617

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-03 Thread Adam Majer
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 03:22:09AM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 02:23, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: smooth introduction? you never heard of policy, maint-guide, developers' reference, web pages, etc, have you? Many operating systems have accompanying certification

dpkg-cross maintenance status

2002-01-03 Thread YAEGASHI Takeshi
Hi, Is there anyone who utilize dpkg-cross? According to BTS, it seems that dpkg-cross has been left unmaintained for more than 1 year... I want to add SuperH support to dpkg-cross (I've just reported as the wishlist, Bug#127723), and there are several bugs I want to fix too. Is there any hope

Re: dpkg-cross maintenance status

2002-01-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
YAEGASHI Takeshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to BTS, it seems that dpkg-cross has been left unmaintained for more than 1 year... Have you asked the maintainer?

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