[Fwd: I: Debian @ LinuxWorld 2005]

2005-03-24 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Vogliono una risposta entro il 31 Marzo. Io sar decisamente occupato fino a settembre con il webb.it percui passo volentieri la mano a chi abbia voglia di smazzarsi la presenza Debian al LinuxWorld. Si tratta di organizzare i presenti e compilare i moduli allegati. Qualche fax, un paio di

sliced bread (was: Debian-Installer rc3 released)

2005-03-24 Thread Frank Küster
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kudos to Joey and the D-I team for all the effort, dedication and time spent in making D-I one of the best pieces of code ever since the invention of apt and sliced bread. Code? Where's the code? According to DFSG clause 2, you must give me the source

Re: sliced bread (was: Debian-Installer rc3 released)

2005-03-24 Thread Ben Hill
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 09:19 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Code? Where's the code? According to DFSG clause 2, you must give me the source code for sliced bread!!!1 You just want your cake, and to eat it too. Or is that something else?? ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.seigan.org PGP Key

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Paul Hampson
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 07:39:04AM +0100, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:33:27PM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: On the other hand, I'm having a problem with the package, it doesn't include muttng_dotlock, and seems to think my mailspool (mbox in /var/mail) is read-only.

Possible compromise on releasing architectures

2005-03-24 Thread Blars Blarson
The Vancouver meeting concluded that more of the burden of supporting the various architectures needs to be on the port teams, but did not supply a workable way for releases to be made on less popular architectures. Here's a proposal that will hopefully both meet the main desires of the release

Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-24 Thread Anthony Towns
Pierre THIERRY wrote: Scribit Anthony Towns dies 23/03/2005 hora 21:52: Pierre THIERRY wrote: - Debian: 11 ports, 9157 packages (sarge) [17593 in sid] Hrm, where are those numbers from? wc -l (modulo the first lines) of the allpackages.txt file on the website Aha, with just a straight wc -l of

Re: If Debian's too radical for you... [was: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels]

2005-03-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:49:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:13:05 +1100, Matthew Palmer Some would say that this has already happened. Not a fork, per se, but Ubuntu's licencing policy (and the general level-headedness of the people I know who are deeply involved in it)

Re: debian development diagram: major rework!

2005-03-24 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 09:05:28PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 20 mars 2005 à 08:48 -0500, Kevin Mark a écrit : Hi all you folks who have exercised your fingers and eyes because of 'vancouvor', In my quest to see how things work, I have made some major revision to my

Re: Possible compromise on releasing architectures

2005-03-24 Thread Blars Blarson
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:12:35AM +0100, Jan Niehusmann wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 12:59:19AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: Release candidate architecture: * testing managed by port release manager(s) * testing consists of packages that built on the candidate and are in release

Re: *** SPAM *** Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050324 00:35]: On Thursday 24 March 2005 03:40, Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the free software fanatics succeed in kicking non-free from being supported by Debian assets, such that the FSF documentation were no longer available, I'd probably

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 24 March 2005 00:09, Petri Latvala wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 07:35:35PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.)

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050322 22:39]: I'm also not satisfied with the non-productiveness of the removal of useful documentation. I'm also ashamed that some hardware doesn't work out of the box on Debian because we decided that firmware are software and thus should meet DFSG.

Re: If Debian's too radical for you... [was: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels]

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Hood
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:50:16 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Is it as easy to participate with Ubuntu as it is with Debian? In some respects it is easier. For one thing you can become a maintainer there without going through an NM ordeal. -- Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-24 Thread Guido Guenther
n Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:44:15AM -0500, Kyle McMartin wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:06:19PM +, Rob Taylor wrote: Yes, that makes total sense. Would there likely be major objections to this? Even less (likely zero) testing of packages by the maintainer before they upload? This

Processed: Re: fonts, entiity and konqueror/qt

2005-03-24 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: clone 238833 -1 Bug#238833: general: not all fonts contain glyphs for all codepoints Bug 238833 cloned as bug 301194. reassign -1 libqt3c102-mt Bug#301194: general: not all fonts contain glyphs for all codepoints Bug reassigned from package `general'

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:33:27PM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: On the other hand, I'm having a problem with the package, it doesn't include muttng_dotlock, and seems to think my mailspool (mbox in /var/mail) is read-only. (vanilla) Mutt can use it fine. Same problem

Re: Possible compromise on releasing architectures

2005-03-24 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 12:59:19AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: Release candidate architecture: * testing managed by port release manager(s) * testing consists of packages that built on the candidate and are in release architecture testing with the same version Please specify what applies

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:03:02AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: Same problem here. Reported to Norbert but never got deeper into it. Let's try renaming mutt_dotlock to muttng_dotlock ;) I did that after your report a while ago, and my last package[0] includes muttng_dotlock. I

Re: Two thougts about testing

2005-03-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 10:55:05AM +0100, Erik Schanze wrote: Joerg Friedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reading larger parts of the recent threads triggered by the 'Vancouver proposal' brought me to write this mail. Over the last two years testing became more and more a second (almost) stable

Development files for manipulating Debian packages

2005-03-24 Thread Ivan Kirchev
Hello all, Does Debian package management suite provide C APIs for easier program manipulation of .deb files? I am looking for something like RedHat's rpm-devel C API but still in vain... -- Best Regards, Ivan Kirchev [If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.]

Re: Found an http SourceForge archive mirror

2005-03-24 Thread Free Ekanayaka
|--== Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo writes: BFaf [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] BFaf On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 11:24:21AM +0100, Free Ekanayaka wrote: For who cares.. I've noticed that my old sf ftp mirror [0] is down/broken/unmaintained. After googling a bit I found a new

Re: Two thougts about testing

2005-03-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] Auto-removal of orphaned packages from unstable is also bad if it's an orphaned library that's still needed (which happens often enough). Auto-removal of orphaned (build-)dependency leaves sounds useful. This would also remove orphaned libraries after a while if the

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:59:37AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050322 22:39]: I'm also not satisfied with the non-productiveness of the removal of useful documentation. I'm also ashamed that some hardware doesn't work out of the box on Debian because

Getting openswan 2.2.0 back into sarge

2005-03-24 Thread Rene Mayrhofer
Hi all, [Please CC me in replies, I am currently not subscribed to this list.] As some have already noticed, openswan has been removed from testing a while ago, most probably because of bug #291274, which did not apply to package version 2.2.0-4 (the one that has been removed from testing).

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-24 Thread Paul Hedderly
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 07:31:22AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Henning Makholm writes: Yes, but we shouldn't act as if it was a _freedom_ problem. If it was deliberately made bloody horribly ugly and painful in order to make changing it difficult, it's a freedom problem. Not really. How NV

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 11:42:48AM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: zion:~# apt-cache showpkg libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl1.2debian-all | grep '^ ' | sort -u | cut -d ',' -f 1 /tmp/sdldeps zion:~# apt-cache showpkg libwxgtk2.4 | grep '^ ' | sort -u | cut -d ',' -f 1 /tmp/wxdeps

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 24 March 2005 14:37, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: [analysis skipped] I'm not sure what to do now. Is it possible to link our wxgtk2.4 against glib2.0? Or unlink libsdl from using libglib? I found the cause: libSDL.so from libsdl1.2debian-all links against glib2.0 (and much other

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* David Schmitt [Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:31 +0100]: how many prospective maintainers have already failed to fill out these fields. #293361 - reportbug: add reminder to fill fields to the ITP template -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 Don't ask the barber

Re: Debian-Installer rc3 released

2005-03-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:53:25 -0500 || Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jh The Debian Installer team is proud to announce the third release candidate jh of the Debian Installer for Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. We love doing this so jh much that we couldn't resist updating the installer one more

Packages count (was Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
So looks like sarge above should be woody. Oh, yes. I was wondering why I found so few (!) packages, because last time I installed a fresh sarge, some debconf screen told me I could install something like 14K packages... BTW, is there any other distrib that includes officially so many packages?

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 03:11:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: [...] Sarge and sid have the same SDL version. You are basically comparing libsdl1.2debian-all and libsdl1.2debian-oss. Yes you're right. I didn't notice that I'm using -all on my box. Any reason for such huge

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 24 mars 2005 à 14:37 +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo a écrit : [ sid / unstable ] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])~$ldd /usr/lib/libSDL.so libartsc.so.0 = /usr/lib/libartsc.so.0 (0x40103000) libgmodule-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x40109000)

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: I'm not sure what to do now. Is it possible to link our wxgtk2.4 against glib2.0? Or unlink libsdl from using libglib? I'm afraid there is no miracle solution. Getting wxgtk2.5 to install Miracle? no. Technical, sound, and sane? Yes: Version

Re: HOWTO Help (was: Debian DPL Debate Comments)

2005-03-24 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander Schmehl wrote: I think it is quite short and is missing some quite easy tasks that can be done by nearly everyone. I did the mentioned talk and am about to write the document, because I got asked a couple of times what people can do

Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
Dear Debian developers, I would like to consult the developer community on the following issue. Here is the story: Debian packages including daemons may be a problem for people installing them via chroot, due to the fact that the packages will typically try to stop and restart the daemons. In

Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005

2005-03-24 Thread Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:24:15PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote: Hi, FIRST CALL FOR VOTES FOR THE DEBIAN PROJECT LEADER ELECTION 2005 = === = === === == === == Votinge period starts 00:00:01 UTC on March 21st, 2005. Votes

Bug#77570: Bug #77570 - corrupted *status* file (tagged unreproducible but shloudn't it be closed ?)

2005-03-24 Thread browaeys . alban
Could i close this bug ? This is a followup for bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=77570 Configuring packages ... dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 22622: invalid package name (character `' not allowed - only letters, digits and -+._ allowed)

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't rehash old arguments. Nobody has argued that we should put non-free packages into main, but we don't agree on what is free and what isn't for all types of packages. Actually, nobody from the more lenient side has given a description of

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 the mental interface of Paul Hampson told: On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:53:38PM +0100, Per Olofsson wrote: Elimar Riesebieter: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: mutt-ng Also note that Norbert

Re: Bug#295131: JFTR: sdl(glib2.0) vs. wx2.4(glib1.2) only affects scorched3d

2005-03-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 24 mars 2005 14:27 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a crit : On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: I'm not sure what to do now. Is it possible to link our wxgtk2.4 against glib2.0? Or unlink libsdl from using libglib? I'm afraid there is no miracle solution. Getting

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 24 mars 2005 14:54 -0300, Jorge L. deLyra a crit : Now, all this can be avoided very simply by a line in the init.d/ script for the daemon, checking that /proc is mounted. Since it will be mounted on normal systems but typically not when using a chroot shell, it serves as a flag to

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello! On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:54:40PM -0300, Jorge L. deLyra wrote: Here is the story: Debian packages including daemons may be a problem for people installing them via chroot, due to the fact that the packages will typically try to stop and restart the daemons. In fact, this can interact

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Adam Majer
Andreas Barth wrote: Actually, I believe the Debian project as whole _wants_ to getting software released. That was at least the decision in all GRs where people didn't hide the intents (editorial changes). Indeed. These types of changes are akin to changing a country's constitution and

OPORTUNIDADE

2005-03-24 Thread Luis Jordão
O futuro é você quem faz...Existem boas escolhas a serem feitas... E as conseqüências de suas escolhas é que determinarão os resultados. Você está satisfeito? Como estão suas perspectivas? O que você está fazendo para mudar seu futuro?Comece já seu negócio em casa... Quais são seus

Re: Bug#301083: ITP: libevolution-ruby -- revolution, ruby binding for the evolution mail client

2005-03-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Revolution is a little Ruby binding to the excellent Evolution email client. Is it so little that it would be better to include it with the evolution package? -- Henning Makholm Al lykken er i ét ord: Overvægtig!

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Paul Hedderly [EMAIL PROTECTED] What we have is source code (yes code that can be compiled) which is unencumbered, we can modify,compile, distribute etc... whether it is _harder_ to modify or not because of choices the _owner/author_ has made or not... is nothing to do with freedom.

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels

2005-03-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please don't rehash old arguments. Nobody has argued that we should put non-free packages into main, but we don't agree on what is free and what isn't for all types of packages. Do you have any arguments for this that do *not* basically reason

Re: OPORTUNIDADE

2005-03-24 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luis Jordo escreveu: :: *O futuro voc quem faz... [...] Looks like a pt_BR SPAM. :o) - -- // // Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) [EMAIL PROTECTED] // GUD-PR / DUG-PR || http://www.debian-pr.org // GUD-BR / DUG-BR ||

Re: discrepancies between uploaded and source-built .deb

2005-03-24 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
Jeroen van Wolffelaar: [Karl Chen:] I didn't know about debdiff - that would have saved me from basically re-implementing it. Common problem unfortunately in the open source/Debian world... not that $what_you_want doesn't exist, but that you just don't know it exists nor where to find

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although most packages do in fact survive this process, in the sense that the installation completes despite some errors when stopping and starting daemons, some do cause the package tools to exit in error, leaving behind a broken package. One

Re: Getting openswan 2.2.0 back into sarge

2005-03-24 Thread Adam M.
Rene Mayrhofer wrote: Hi all, [Please CC me in replies, I am currently not subscribed to this list.] As some have already noticed, openswan has been removed from testing a while ago, most probably because of bug #291274, which did not apply to package version 2.2.0-4 (the one that has been

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
Write a policy-rc.d script for the chroot that denies starting either the particular demon or all demons in general. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling the start of damons during boot or changes in

Re: Bug#301081: ITP: mutt-ng -- Mutt next generation (mutt-ng) is a fork of the well-known email client mutt

2005-03-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Elimar Riesebieter: Differences between mutt and mutt-ng: You should make clear that this list of features compares the mutt and mutt-ng packages (I hope it does). Debian's mutt package contains some of the mutt-ng patches. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Daniel Baumann
Josselin Mouette wrote: I don't know whether we have ports without /proc, the Hurd has no /proc. Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Jorge L. deLyra wrote: Write a policy-rc.d script for the chroot that denies starting either the particular demon or all demons in general. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling

Re: Bug#301083: ITP: libevolution-ruby -- revolution, ruby binding for the evolution mail client

2005-03-24 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 17:31 +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Revolution is a little Ruby binding to the excellent Evolution email client. Is it so little that it would be better to include it with the evolution package? Not quite sure since:

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:28:36AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't rehash old arguments. Nobody has argued that we should put non-free packages into main, but we don't agree on what is free and what isn't for all types of packages.

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:54:40PM -0300, Jorge L. deLyra wrote: Installation via chroot can be very useful for embedded systems, and also for diskless machines that boot remotely from a server and mount the root via NFS. If a package is being installed via chroot running in the server it does

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, all this can be avoided very simply by a line in the init.d/ script for the daemon, checking that /proc is mounted. Since it will be mounted on normal systems but typically not when using a chroot shell, it serves as a flag to enable the daemon

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Alban Browaeys
I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling the start of damons during boot or changes in runlevel. I do not see how this will prevent a package that has a /etc/init.d/daemon start Well if they do they won't work on file-rc system , so are already broken ...

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-24 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Quanah, On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 05:58:01PM -0800, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: You can find the patch for adding -q to slapadd on OpenLDAP 2.2 here: http://www.stanford.edu/services/directory/openldap/configuration/openldap-build-42.html Great, thanks! Applied it to the subversion

Bug#301260: ITP: achims-guestbook -- php driven guestbook

2005-03-24 Thread Tim Peeler
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tim Peeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: achims-guestbook Version : 2.52 Upstream Author : Achim Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.lkcc.org:8500/ * License : GPL Description : php driven guestbook

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
There is nothing wrong with mounting /proc in a chroot; you should not assume that chroots all lack /proc. Yes, I know, and I'm not. But it would be nice if one could prevent the packages from starting the daemons by simply choosing not to mount /proc in the chroot.

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 07:42:01PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 24 mars 2005 ?? 14:54 -0300, Jorge L. deLyra a ??crit : Now, all this can be avoided very simply by a line in the init.d/ script for the daemon, checking that /proc is mounted. Since it will be mounted on normal

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is nothing wrong with mounting /proc in a chroot; you should not assume that chroots all lack /proc. Yes, I know, and I'm not. But it would be nice if one could prevent the packages from starting the daemons by simply choosing not to mount

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling the start of damons during boot or changes in runlevel. I do not see how this will prevent a package that has a /etc/init.d/daemon start Well if they do they won't work on file-rc system , so are already broken ...

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-24 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Henning Makholm said: Scripsit Paul Hedderly [EMAIL PROTECTED] What we have is source code (yes code that can be compiled) which is unencumbered, we can modify,compile, distribute etc... whether it is _harder_ to modify or not because of choices the

Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 24, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That may be true for documentation but certainly not for firmware, which has been discussed to death. (Not with a satisfactory outcome, imho.) And one of the reasons for which licensing for documentation has not been discussed is that most

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
Is there some other, better solution to this problem? echo -e '#!/bin/sh\n\nexit 101' /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d \ chmod a+x /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d as mentioned by Steve Langasek in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01316.html. OK, I got to this point: if all

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Jorge L. deLyra wrote: nfs-kernel-server This uses invoke-rc.d: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server $act ntp-server invoke-rc.d ntp-server start || exit 0 ntpdate as does this: invoke-rc.d ntpdate start || exit 0 Pray tell, how was this list generated? The three

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:58:22PM -0300, Jorge L. deLyra wrote: I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling the start of damons during boot or changes in runlevel. I do not see how this will prevent a package that has a /etc/init.d/daemon start Well

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
But you might need /proc. Well, I am starting to see that this might not be a good way to solve the problem but, still, if you need it, just mount it, and be aware that some daemons may come up and down on the server if you install or upgrade some package in these circumstances. If you do not

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you might need /proc. Well, I am starting to see that this might not be a good way to solve the problem but, still, if you need it, just mount it, and be aware that some daemons may come up and down on the server if you install or upgrade some

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
Pray tell, how was this list generated? The three examples that I picked at random all use invoke-rc.d. [Two of which because they use debhelper to do the invoking.] Oh, I see. Looks like I did a poor job here. I just searched for instances of /etc/init.d/something being executed. So, I take

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
At least some of these packages call /etc/init.d/package start *only* if invoke-rc.d cannot be found. Ah! This is another way how I miscounted them, since I just seached for instances of /etc/init.d/package being executed... Cheers,

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Jorge L. deLyra
I think you miss my point. Rather than keying restart daemons to /proc (who would ever guess that?!), I'm saying create something *new*, that means this is a chroot, don't restart demons. OK, I read you. Your message gave me the impression that something like it was already in place. That

Re: Bug#301083: ITP: libevolution-ruby -- revolution, ruby binding for the evolution mail client

2005-03-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Adam M. wrote: Thus, libevelution-ruby doesn't need to depend on Ruby. It only needs to depend on evolution. What happens if/when ruby is updated in a non-binary-compatible way? Or if/when somebody decides to remove ruby since, after all, nothing depends on it? If that happens, you have a

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz I was not aware of this structure, but it seems to relate to controlling the start of damons during boot or changes in runlevel. I do not see how this will prevent a package that has a

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jorge L. deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I read you. Your message gave me the impression that something like it was already in place. That meaning doesn't have to be this is a chroot, but just don't start daemons, for whatever reasons there may be for that in any particular case. It

Re: Bug#301083: ITP: libevolution-ruby -- revolution, ruby binding for the evolution mail client

2005-03-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Matthias Urlichs [Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:46:45 +0100]: Hi, Adam M. wrote: Thus, libevelution-ruby doesn't need to depend on Ruby. It only needs to depend on evolution. What happens if/when ruby is updated in a non-binary-compatible way? Or if/when somebody decides to remove ruby since,

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Jorge L. deLyra [Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:54:40 -0300]: test -e /proc/mounts || exit 0 Others have already pointed out that a policy-rc.d script is the way to do what you want. Still, I thought I'd share a way of testing if you're inside a chroot even if /proc is mounted. IIRC, it was

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Joey Hess
Florian Ernst wrote: echo -e '#!/bin/sh\n\nexit 101' /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d \ chmod a+x /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d as mentioned by Steve Langasek in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01316.html. Would someone like to package this? (No, I'm not really kidding.) --

Re: Bug#301083: ITP: libevolution-ruby -- revolution, ruby binding for the evolution mail client

2005-03-24 Thread Adam M.
David Moreno Garza wrote: On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 17:31 +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Revolution is a little Ruby binding to the excellent Evolution email client. Is it so little that it would be better to include it with the

Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-24 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 01:07:07PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 01:46:17AM +0100, Pierre THIERRY wrote: - Debian: 11 ports, 9157 packages (sarge) [17593 in sid] - NetBSD: 55 ports, 5300 packages It should be noted that the definition of 'port' isn't necessarily the

Re: Idea: about package installation under chroot.

2005-03-24 Thread Brian May
Jorge == Jorge L deLyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jorge /etc/init.d/daemon start Jorge in its postinstall script to start that daemon. I was not Jorge talking about booting a system, but about using a chroot Jorge shell to install packages in the filesystem structure of a

update-menus runs in the background?

2005-03-24 Thread Justin Pryzby
It seems that /usr/bin/update-menus now runs in the background. I ran sudo apt-et install glade, and after it finished, I ran ps -ef |tail -5, and the last commands running were update-menus.real, and install-menu. Is it supposed to be a background job, and, if so, why? Thanks, please Cc: me,

7 Hours of Photoshop Video Training

2005-03-24 Thread Photoshop Training
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Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-24 Thread foo_bar_baz_boo-deb
Believe what you like about what I said. I could not care less. What was apparently blatantly obvious to you about the nature of the post was not to me, and I wanted to step forward to be sure that Sven's points (which are near to my heart as a SPARC user) were not discarded over a triviality.

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-24 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 06:56:31PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe what you like about what I said. I could not care less. What was apparently blatantly obvious to you about the nature of the post was not to me, and I wanted to step forward to be sure that Sven's points (which are

Re: HOWTO Help (was: Debian DPL Debate Comments)

2005-03-24 Thread Rudy Godoy
El da 23/03/2005 a 05:32 Alexander Schmehl escribio ... * Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050322 22:25]: AFAIK we don't have a good What you can do to help us documentation (please correct me, if I am wrong). How about http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ ? Which is linked from the main

Accepted gfslicer 1.5.4-5 (i386 source)

2005-03-24 Thread Vctor Prez Pereira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:54:04 -0400 Source: gfslicer Binary: gfslicer Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.5.4-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Víctor Pérez Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Víctor Pérez Pereira

Accepted rails 0.11.0-1 (all source)

2005-03-24 Thread Adam Majer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:29:19 -0600 Source: rails Binary: rails Architecture: source all Version: 0.11.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description:

Accepted kernel-image-2.6.8-amd64 2.6.8-12 (i386 source)

2005-03-24 Thread Frederik Schler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:30:10 +0100 Source: kernel-image-2.6.8-amd64 Binary: kernel-image-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-generic kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp

Accepted calendar 1.09.3-1 (powerpc source)

2005-03-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:37:49 +0100 Source: calendar Binary: libcalendar-ocaml-dev Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.09.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Stefano

Accepted tclvfs 1.3-1 (powerpc source)

2005-03-24 Thread David N. Welton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:33:40 +0100 Source: tclvfs Binary: tclvfs Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted crypt-ssleay 0.51-3 (i386 source)

2005-03-24 Thread Nol Kthe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:00:37 +0100 Source: crypt-ssleay Binary: libcrypt-ssleay-perl Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.51-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Noèl Köthe [EMAIL

Accepted devscripts 2.8.13 (i386 source)

2005-03-24 Thread Julian Gilbey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:15 + Source: devscripts Binary: devscripts Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.8.13 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Julian Gilbey [EMAIL

Accepted afterstep 2.00.04-1 (i386 source)

2005-03-24 Thread Robert Luberda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:14:58 +0100 Source: afterstep Binary: libafterstep0 afterstep libafterimage-dev libafterimage0 Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.00.04-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Robert Luberda [EMAIL

Accepted language-env 0.64 (all source)

2005-03-24 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:34:39 +0900 Source: language-env Binary: language-env Architecture: source all Version: 0.64 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Tomohiro KUBOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Kenshi Muto [EMAIL

Accepted asterisk-prompt-se 0.8-1 (all source)

2005-03-24 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:15:56 +0100 Source: asterisk-prompt-se Binary: asterisk-prompt-se Architecture: source all Version: 0.8-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Simon Richter

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