conflicting gssapi libraries

2007-08-09 Thread Brian May
[4 letter words deleted] === cut === # sudo dpkg -i libgssapi2-heimdal_1.0.1-1_i386.deb ──(Fri,Aug10)─┘ S

Work-needing packages report for Aug 10, 2007

2007-08-09 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 387 (new: 7) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 76 (new: 1) Total number of packages requeste

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This means that when draining the battery we do not allow the CPU to run > at full speed, so CPU-bound tasks take longer. This tends to extend > battery life but reduces the processing work derived from the battery, > since other components then take a h

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-08-09 Thread David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've read the complete thread, and i understand who the main reason from the mantainers are these. But, in the other hand, have the reason of gtk1.2 removal porposal. I understand this, but, i say who of the given reasons are incorrect. Too, i say who

Re: Simplify installation of non-free?

2007-08-09 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 10:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > If any person wants to spend their efforts to work on particular > software, the Debian project should not throw obstacles in their way, > but asking the Debian project to actively help is going too far. And even way more far is to asking the

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:34:01PM +0100, Ben Goodger wrote: >I'm grossly underqualied in that respect, I fear. I can outline precisely >what needs to be done to make nvidia-glx, for example, bearable[1] (and it >does not involve a specialised GUI, god forbid) but am in no position at >

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Donnerstag 09 August 2007 21:23 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > > Not sure. I suspect it depend on the task being installed. It is > > currently used to detect which X driver to activate, but that need > > will go away in the fu

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-08-09 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 05:04 +0200, David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui) wrote: > xmms have 11000+ popcon installations reported. The total reports of > popcon are 57000+. This is aprox 20% of users. Now, are talking for > removal an application for those users?... > > I've read the buglist of xmms, and i

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 09:08:00PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Gustavo Franco] > > Btw, it seems that xdebconfigurator already support discover (2) or > > discover1 but xserver-xorg recommends is on 'discover1 | discover' > > and in ltsp-client-core we depend on discover1 (not desktop task

Re: Simplify installation of non-free?

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Finney
"Ben Goodger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 09/08/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The objection is making it a priority over supporting free drivers > > or diverting people working on supporting vendors who provide DFSG > > free drivers by making it a distribution wide priority

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Luis Matos
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 15:24 -0300, Gustavo Franco escreveu: > Btw, desktop-c-gtk-devel and desktop-python-gtk-devel makes no sense, > IMHO. It's too specific that we will need > desktop-$every_language_in_debian-gtk-devel. What a task like > desktop-php-devel will contain, vim? For those who like emac

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Luis Matos
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 10:42 -0700, Joey Hess escreveu: > Luis Matos wrote: > > having a console tasksel is not enough ... someone was developing a gtk+ > > front end ... right? > > DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome tasksel ? > that's a pretty hack ... why does tasksel does not get the debconf option on which f

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 18:37 -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 8/9/07, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:20 -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > > > > > We already have this on the desktop, from what I can > > > see (there is evidence of a >

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Ben Goodger wrote: > I can outline precisely what needs to be done to make nvidia-glx, > for example, bearable[1] (and it does not involve a specialised GUI, > god forbid) but am in no position at all to do so :( Sure you are! Outlining exactly what needs to be done and filing

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Michael Biebl
Petter Reinholdtsen schrieb: > > I get the impression that you are talking about boot time? I am > talking about the Debian installer and behavior at install time. > discover is not used at boot time, and have not been providing a > init.d script since before Etch was released. Kernel module lo

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Goodger
On 09/08/07, Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > having a console tasksel is not enough ... someone was developing a gtk+ > front end ... right? running "tasksel --new-install" gets you a debconf window, which is either curses, gtk, qt etc depending on your debconf conf. -- Ben Goodger B

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/9/07, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:20 -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > > > We already have this on the desktop, from what I can > > see (there is evidence of a > > scaling-module-loading-thingummy running on boot)

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Goodger
On 09/08/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The objection is making it a priority over supporting free drivers or > diverting people working on supporting vendors who provide DFSG free > drivers by making it a distribution wide priority. The free drivers are perfectly well supported

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:20 -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > We already have this on the desktop, from what I can > see (there is evidence of a > scaling-module-loading-thingummy running on boot) > > Yes, it loads, but the default scalin

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Hendrik Sattler] > As long as "automatic" doesn't take more time than "using manual > settings", that's fine. I doubt that they can detect some of the > settings (keyboard layout, driver options), though ;) I appreciate > the efforts a lot though, especially a better cooperation of kernel > drive

Bug#436982: ITP: ulex0.8 -- OCaml lexer generator with Unicode support - CamlP5 version

2007-08-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ulex0.8 Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Alain Frisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cduce.org/download.html * License : LGPL Programming Lang: OCaml Descri

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Donnerstag 09 August 2007 21:23 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Hendrik Sattler] > > > Is discover still installed by default on new installs? > > Not sure. I suspect it depend on the task being installed. It is > currently used to detect which X driver to activate, but that need > will go awa

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... > On Aug 09, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It's actually not just ATI/nVidia - most wireless drivers are at least in >> part non-free. In my case, it's the madwifi drivers with their binary >> HAL. There's also the ipw2100/2200/39

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gustavo Franco] > Petter, couldn't we replace discover1 with discover (2) into the > desktop task ? Actually, we (Otavio an me) plan to replace discover1 with discover for Lenny, so that every user with discover1 will upgrade automatically to discover. > Is this a list of supported hardware issu

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Hendrik Sattler] > Is discover still installed by default on new installs? Not sure. I suspect it depend on the task being installed. It is currently used to detect which X driver to activate, but that need will go away in the future when X.org manage to configure itself automatically. :) > I

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu August 9 2007 12:08:05 pm Florent Rougon wrote: > Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dselect doesn't force you to install recommended packages; for as > > long as I can remember (since Bo) it has given you a list with the > > recommends preselected, and a simple keypress is all that i

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/9/07, Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Mittwoch 08 August 2007 23:02 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > > [Julian Andres Klode] > > > > > We should try to use binary packages provided by linux-modules-* or > > > other modules packages by default and fallback to m-a. > > > > You migh

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/9/07, Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Qui, 2007-08-09 às 14:10 +0200, Michael Banck escreveu: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu: > > > > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/9/07, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu: > > > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with > > > multimedia (means: surprise, you can use

Re: should texmacs on ia64 be removed?

2007-08-09 Thread Jérémie Corbier
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:38:42PM -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Another option is to reduce the dependency from guile-1.8-libs to > guile-1.6-libs. According to discussion at [4], we do not loose any > functionality due to this. What do you say? You could use something like: Build-Depends:

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Florent Rougon
Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dselect doesn't force you to install recommended packages; for as long > as I can remember (since Bo) it has given you a list with the > recommends preselected, and a simple keypress is all that is needed to > decline them. I'm afraid your memory is not

should texmacs on ia64 be removed?

2007-08-09 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
Hi, Currently texmacs depends upon guile-1.8-libs . However guile-1.8 FTBFS on ia64 architecture [1]. According to [2] it is not going to be fixed anytime in the near future. Lilypond, a package which also depends upon guile-1.8-libs faced the same problem. It was removed from ia64 architecture [3

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sass
On Wed August 8 2007 10:01:40 am Daniel Burrows wrote: > Just to clarify, aptitude didn't "come up" with anything. This was > the standard behavior in Debian at the time (dselect was far more > draconian about forcing you to install recommended packages), and one > of the top complaints I got wa

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Joey Hess
Luis Matos wrote: > having a console tasksel is not enough ... someone was developing a gtk+ > front end ... right? DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome tasksel ? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch 08 August 2007 23:02 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Julian Andres Klode] > > > We should try to use binary packages provided by linux-modules-* or > > other modules packages by default and fallback to m-a. > > You might want to check out the recent changes to discover and > discover-da

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 09, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's actually not just ATI/nVidia - most wireless drivers are at least in > part non-free. In my case, it's the madwifi drivers with their binary HAL. > There's also the ipw2100/2200/3945/etc with the non-free firmware. Without The firmwares are n

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:00:00AM +0200, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace > > > the MS fonts. > > > > Have their licensing issues been solved? > > Which ones ?

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Tim Hull
> Well, when you started this thread I was fearing a quite long flame > with everybody jumping at you with "if you don't like you're > free to some and help improving it"which is definitely what > happens too frequently when some users report issues that can't often > be pointed to a given pac

Re: Updating NEWS.Debian

2007-08-09 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Please don't CC me, as I read the list. On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:49:33AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > The reason? It's counterproductive and silly, when upgrading from > > oldstable to stable, to get lots of news that was eve

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:36:39PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Neil Williams wrote: > > And a script to implement that in every box I have to install. Again > > and Again and Again and > > > > You almost forcing me into maintaining a fork of apt that restores the

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > > No - because the default is already in place in aptitude which is WHY I > > don't use aptitude. If apt goes the same way, the default configuration > > of each offers no choice. > > > > By the tim

Bug#436921: ITP: phpformgenerator -- create web forms easier

2007-08-09 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: phpformgenerator Version : 3.0 Upstream Author : Musawir Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://phpformgen.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : cr

Re: Updating NEWS.Debian

2007-08-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > The reason? It's counterproductive and silly, when upgrading from > oldstable to stable, to get lots of news that was ever relevant only for > sid-to-sid upgrades. Better to do that cleanup near the freeze, if at all. Otherwise, once could eas

Re: Seeking new maintainer(s) for HPLIP and amavisd-new

2007-08-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > So, this mail is a request for new maintainers for both hplip and > amavisd-new. I've already had three people (two DDs and a non-DD) join in for amavisd-new work. So it looks like it will be well-cared for in the future. But what about H

Re: Seeking new maintainer(s) for HPLIP and amavisd-new

2007-08-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Gregory Colpart wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:11:24PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > [...] > > The requirements for amavisd-new is a good grasp of perl and email > > infrastructure, and the usual careful attitude one should have when dealing > > with packa

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Philippe Cloutier
* Simplify installation of out-of-tree kernel modules, possibly by adapting Ubuntu's Restricted Manager to work with m-a. Non-free drivers would *only* be displayed if non-free is in the sources.list. No plans AFAIK. Working on this should not be difficult and should be appreciated, either by i

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Luis Matos
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 14:10 +0200, Michael Banck escreveu: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu: > > > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with > > > multimedia (means: surprise, you can

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu: > > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with > > multimedia (means: surprise, you can use a desktop without music and > > movies). > > I think we n

Re: Arch-independent parts of binary modules of interpreted languages

2007-08-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > (Please don't start a debate over what an interpreted language is, I just > tried to generalize the subject.) > > Perl XS module packages usually install all their code under /usr/lib/perl5 - > not just the shared library that implements the external

Bug#436902: ITP: digiband -- full home version drumming/guitar simulator

2007-08-09 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: http://www.digiband.net/ Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Joe Wall * URL : http://www.digiband.net/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : full home ve

Arch-independent parts of binary modules of interpreted languages

2007-08-09 Thread Magnus Holmgren
(Please don't start a debate over what an interpreted language is, I just tried to generalize the subject.) Perl XS module packages usually install all their code under /usr/lib/perl5 - not just the shared library that implements the external subroutine, but also at least one ordinary module, w

Re: Seeking new maintainer(s) for HPLIP and amavisd-new

2007-08-09 Thread Gregory Colpart
Hello, On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:11:24PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > [...] > The requirements for amavisd-new is a good grasp of perl and email > infrastructure, and the usual careful attitude one should have when dealing > with packages that are often mission-critical. Upstream

Re: Updating NEWS.Debian

2007-08-09 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 11:08:46AM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > I have seen some packages lately, most prominently apache2, that replace the > entire NEWS.Debian file when they have some news to report. That way, older > news are lost, and users who don't upgrade to every intermediate versio

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:55:13AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:17:13AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:00:00AM +0200, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Luis Matos
Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu: > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with > multimedia (means: surprise, you can use a desktop without music and > movies). I think we need to have multiple desktop tasks. One desktop-simple, desktop-multimed

Updating NEWS.Debian

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Eisentraut
I have seen some packages lately, most prominently apache2, that replace the entire NEWS.Debian file when they have some news to report. That way, older news are lost, and users who don't upgrade to every intermediate version (say, those who upgrade only between stable releases) are left in the

Bug#436878: ITP: gconf-cleaner -- GConf database cleaner

2007-08-09 Thread Julien Valroff
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Julien Valroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gconf-cleaner Version : 0.0.3 Upstream Author : Akira TAGOH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://code.google.com/p/gconf-cleaner/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Des

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:17:13AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:00:00AM +0200, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace > > > the MS fonts. > > > > Have their licensing issues been solved?

Re: Out of the box CPU frequency scaling

2007-08-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[manphiz] > As in my case it didn't work because the cpufreq related modules > were not loaded automatically, I had to explicitly write them down > in /etc/modules, then everything is fine. The /etc/init.d/loadcpufreq script is supposed to load the cpufreq related modules automatically. If this

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Loïc Minier
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007, Tim Hull wrote: > Update: it works with libxine1-ffmpeg installed. Evidently totem-xine is > installed by default - at least if you install Etch and upgrade to Lenny. > Is this by design, or just an issue with Etch to Lenny transitions. I'm > going to install totem-gstreame