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Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Ludovico Cavedon
On 04/30/2011 04:32 PM, Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my desktop I use unstable, and when that breaks (which is *very* rare,

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 01:32:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my desktop I use unstable, and when that breaks (which

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-01 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Andreas Barth Hi, | Now my question is just: How to do that efficient? I.e. how would such | a configuration file look like, and how the code to distribute the | package on the most fitting buildd(s)? (I.e. it's better to waste 5 | out of 6 cores than to not build a package at all, but a

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011, Russ Allbery wrote: Pierre Habouzit madco...@madism.org writes: No what we want is probably to be attractive to developers, while keeping our standards about the stable release, which is what really matters. And to do that, well, what we need is to make working for

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 01 mai 11, 08:38:55, Mike Hommey wrote: So while I do agree with the rest of your message, I do see a need to make testing more attractive so that we have a solid user base actually testing what we are going to release, and stop saying to people that they shouldn't be using testing

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:24:41PM -0700, Ludovico Cavedon wrote: On 04/30/2011 04:32 PM, Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my

Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-05-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:31:47PM +0200, sean finney wrote: I second your original proposal though, that packages must not delete system users that they have created. I don't think anyone had objections to that, and the question is whether things should be taken further. I do object to

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 08:38:55AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 01:32:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 01 mai 11, 09:57:50, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I think we'd like people running unstable stick with testing when we freeze, that makes sense, yes. This doesn't make sense to me, why would I want to downgrade to testing during the freeze? Besides, during the freeze testing and unstable

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-01 Thread Ingo Jürgensmann
On Sun, 1 May 2011 01:36:38 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Sometimes we have a few packages we don't want to build on a certain buildds. Sometimes this is because this package needs lots of ram. Or it takes quite long and would waste the parallel building a machine supports. Or whatever else. Of

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 11:22:51AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 01 mai 11, 09:57:50, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I think we'd like people running unstable stick with testing when we freeze, that makes sense, yes. This doesn't make sense to me, why would I want to downgrade to testing

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 01:36:38AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I have a problem I need to solve in perl within wanna-build: Sometimes we have a few packages we don't want to build on a certain buildds. Sometimes this is because this package needs lots of ram. Or it takes quite long and would

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ingo Jürgensmann (i...@2011.bluespice.org) [110501 11:55]: On Sun, 1 May 2011 01:36:38 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Now, what I would like to do is to write that down in a central file with categories. I would recommend to use a database, really. Sorry, but that's not at all the answer to

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 08:41]: Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what we're supposed to do to ensure we can release as quickly as possible. Who is the we you are speaking about

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) [110501 12:02]: I just wanted to add that if you would like more statistics reporting for this purpose, I'll be happy to add that to sbuild. I only worry about the ~20-40 packages that are currently sitting in some no_auto_build on the buildds. Not more but

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 03:09:48PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: libgcrypt has some horrendous bugs which upstream refuse to fix, for example the broken behaviour relating to

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-01 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:09 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 06:48:22PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: We might some day later change the way apt works for upgrades is not an argument for adding a pre-dependency now. But that we do want to prevent a broken APT --

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:48:24 +0200, Andreas Barth a...@not.so.argh.org wrote: Actually, it worked quite well for both volatile and backports to start as a non-official service. Agreed for backports, violently disagreed for volatile. Volatile has been a source of demotivation and frustration, at

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote: [...] It appears to be usable by a lot of projects and people, so that seems like an exaggeration. If I have understood Werner correctly, he believes that it is the setuid binaries that are broken and should be fixed. [...] Hello, I would rather say

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Marc Haber (mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de) [110501 14:16]: On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:48:24 +0200, Andreas Barth a...@not.so.argh.org wrote: Actually, it worked quite well for both volatile and backports to start as a non-official service. Agreed for backports, violently disagreed for

Bug#624764: ITP: trng -- Tina's Random Number Generator Library

2011-05-01 Thread Torquil Macdonald Sørensen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Torquil Macdonald Sørensen torq...@gmail.com * Package name: trng Version : 4.11 Upstream Author : Heiko Bauke heiko.ba...@mpi-hd.mpg.de * URL : http://trng.berlios.de/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C++

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 02:29:39PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote: [...] It appears to be usable by a lot of projects and people, so that seems like an exaggeration. If I have understood Werner correctly, he believes that it is the setuid binaries

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
Andreas Metzler ametz...@downhill.at.eu.org wrote: Also libgcrypt does seem to be designed to be used indirectly ^ | not -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) [110501 15:08]: Even if the NSS situation changes, surely it's immediately obvious that a random library function should not tamper with the uid of a process as a side-effect? Unless the caller explicitly requested dropping of root privs, no library has

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 02:29:39PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: [...] Also libgcrypt does not seem to be designed to be used indirectly (via gnutls) without knowing and caring about it. (Threading, secmem). Which is why about 50% of all gnutls-using

PPA (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Pierre Habouzit (madco...@madism.org) [110501 01:32]: - link that PPA stuff to the main repository in a way that merging PPA into unstable is just a matter of one single command, or a few. - make it easy for users to subscribe to PPAs, meaning you have to have some kind of

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: * Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 08:41]: Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what we're supposed to do to ensure we can release as quickly as

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 02:06:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I think that we should not do any trade off on the quality of rolling/testing/the-antechamber-of-stable, but instead raise the quality of unstable so that (which isn't *that* bad, unstable is rarely badly broken, and I know lots

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 01:32:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Oh yes, you really want to attract new contributors ? build debhub.com (as in github) and force everyone to package stuff in there. Let people propose patches, packaging new upstreams and so forth using merge requests (as in

Bug#624771: ITP: garmin-ant-downloader -- retrieve information from Garmin GPS devices using ANT+

2011-05-01 Thread Christian Perrier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org Package name: garmin-ant-downloader Version : 0:20091212 Upstream Author : p...@ant.sbrk.co.uk URL : http://www.example.org/ License : GPL v3 Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 06:50:04PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: Look at the welcoming new contributors GR; what did that actually accomplish? There isn't anything new to show for it, there are no new means to bring contributors in, and the number of new people hasn't really changed. I doubt

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 06:05:35PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: In the Squeeze release we have done better than before by calling for explicit upgrade testing (kudos to the Release Team!), but a specific plan of alpha/beta/... might bring even more testing, especially if the media help us out

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:11:49PM +0200, sean finney wrote: A complete aside: I have yet to see DEPs being anything but a structured way to bikeshed. However, if you wish to go down this route, feel free. This does bring me full circle back to the start of my mail - if you want to push

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stefano Zacchiroli (z...@debian.org) [110501 16:12]: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 06:05:35PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: In the Squeeze release we have done better than before by calling for explicit upgrade testing (kudos to the Release Team!), but a specific plan of alpha/beta/... might bring

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
Ludovico Cavedon cave...@debian.org wrote: On 04/30/2011 04:32 PM, Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my desktop I use unstable, and

Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-05-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them): On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:31:47PM +0200, sean finney wrote: I second your original proposal though, that packages must not delete system users that they have created. I don't think anyone had objections to that, and the

Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [110501 16:39]: Steve Langasek writes (Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them): On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:31:47PM +0200, sean finney wrote: I second your original proposal though, that packages must not delete system users that they

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 01/05/2011 15:34, Andreas Barth a écrit : 1. How to push from a vcs (git, svn, ...) to ppa? (This should be coordinated with ftp-masters, so that the same method could be used later on for uploading into unstable.) 2. How could we create new ppa repositories easy enough, how do we hold

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org [2011-05-01 15:40]: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: * Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 08:41]: Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what we're

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stéphane Glondu (glo...@debian.org) [110501 17:00]: Le 01/05/2011 15:34, Andreas Barth a écrit : 1. How to push from a vcs (git, svn, ...) to ppa? (This should be coordinated with ftp-masters, so that the same method could be used later on for uploading into unstable.) 2. How could

Re: Crypto consolidation in debian ?

2011-05-01 Thread Simon Josefsson
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: This is the root cause, I think. libgcrypt was developed as part of gnutls, and although it's a separate library, it's insufficiently generalised. It's implicitly doing things the way gnutls wanted them doing, and rather than making the library

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: However, to get that done right for multiple software is not so easy. But please prove me wrong - as soon as 2. is done, I'm happy to help setting up autobuilding (even if that happens this afternoon). It needs however done in a way where buildds only

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 01/05/2011 17:16, Andreas Barth a écrit : I don't understand why this is only point 5. Setting up a custom repository easily usable is quite easy... and done already (mozilla.debian.net has been mentioned; I also happen to provide unofficial packages on ocaml.debian.net). It's easy for

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 18:23]: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: However, to get that done right for multiple software is not so easy. But please prove me wrong - as soon as 2. is done, I'm happy to help setting up autobuilding (even if that happens this

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stéphane Glondu (glo...@debian.org) [110501 18:24]: Le 01/05/2011 17:16, Andreas Barth a écrit : Well yes, but how many autobuilding suites should we add? 50? 100? 200? How do we do key management so that we know that the autobuilder build the packages that they should? Why would we

How to change the world, was: Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Steffen Möller
Hello, Marc laid that wonderful bait in this thread to which then Stefano bite, and then the thread ended after some clarification by Marc where IMHO there was no clarification needed [not shown]. On 04/30/2011 12:28 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:28:17AM +0200, Marc

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 03:39:57PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: * Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 08:41]: Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 06:34:02PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 18:23]: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: How can we submit jobs to a buildd? - APT entry to add (i.e. URL of the PPA so that the buildd can fetch build-dependencies not

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) [110501 18:46]: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 06:34:02PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 18:23]: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote: How can we submit jobs to a buildd? - APT entry to add (i.e. URL of the

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 06:24:00PM +0200, Stéphane Glondu wrote: I was thinking of a request that would include a base suite (e.g. squeeze, wheezy, or sid), files to drop in /etc/apt/sources.list.d (and /etc/apt/preferences.d), and the key used to sign unofficial repositories. Of course, the

Re: PPA

2011-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) [110501 19:04]: WRT the signing key, there would need to be some form of trust path or else the signature would be worthless. If packages are being uploaded to Debian infrastructure, and are under our control, can't we use a single signing key? We

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Stefano Zacchiroli | I've been dreaming of a similar integration in Debian since the days | where I was pushing for the Vcs-* headers, but as you explained later on | in your mail the problem is: how can we converge on a specific Vcs in | Debian? Or, even easier, how can we converge on the

Qt3 looking for adopters

2011-05-01 Thread Ana Guerrero
Hi, kdelibs3 was removed recently from the archive and the last tiny bit of KDE 3 remaining, aRts, will be removed quite soon. This means the KDE team is not longer interested in Qt3 and we are looking for new maintainer(s). Personally, I would have gone for removing Qt3 too but the

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 18:38 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: You're saying: Problem: I acknowledge that people are not interested in stable releases enough and that the RT has to compensate all the time. Those two statements are true: - A subset of DDs care about doing stable releases. The

Bug#624808: ITP: python-enet -- wrapper for the ENet networking library

2011-05-01 Thread Christoph Egger
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org * Package name: python-enet Version : 0.0~svn21 Upstream Author : Andrew Resch andrewre...@gmail.com * URL : http://code.google.com/p/pyenet/ * License : GPL (buildsystem), MIT/X

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Sun May 01, 2011 at 20:02:51 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: 2. determine who is in support of each action plan, through a GR or a poll. I don't think we need a GR for that. Those who are interested in rolling releases could show that they are interested and just doing so (like

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 08:02:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 01/05/11 at 18:38 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: You're saying: Problem: I acknowledge that people are not interested in stable releases enough and that the RT has to compensate all the time. Those two

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 04:17:10PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: JFYI, Sean and Raphael have taken DEP number 10 They have? I haven't seen mail to debian-project about this, which is what http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/ requires? (The chance of a collision here is quite small of course,

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:43:51PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 08:55:25PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: (1) you'll split the userbase, some of the users will use rolling instead of testing, and during the freeze we're very interested about our users to

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 20:51 +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, On Sun May 01, 2011 at 20:02:51 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: 2. determine who is in support of each action plan, through a GR or a poll. I don't think we need a GR for that. Those who are interested in rolling releases could

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 20:55 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 08:02:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 01/05/11 at 18:38 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: You're saying: Problem: I acknowledge that people are not interested in stable releases enough and that

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Joey Hess
Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my desktop I use unstable, and when that breaks (which is *very* rare, really) I go to snapshots

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 05/01/2011 08:02 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: There are compromise solutions, too: [Plan C -- freeze rolling before forking frozen:] - do plan A. - But When the release team decides to do a general freeze, rolling is frozen for a few months to maximize user testing and developer

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 04:01:20PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Pierre Habouzit wrote: FWIW I think that rolling or CUT miss the point entirely. As a Debian user I use stable on my servers (with a few backports for the 3-4 things I need bleeding edge for). For my desktop I use unstable, and

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:35:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: [ Note that my position is based on the assumption that we have a share of DDs interested in rolling similar to the share of DDs interested in stable releases. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to know where we stand regarding

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Joey Hess
Pierre Habouzit wrote: Who are they? Unlike this constant handwaving, I've shared my experience ^^^ If you feel that my contributions and experience in Debian consist of constant handwaving, feel free to ignore and dismiss me. -- see shy jo

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 04:26:57PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Pierre Habouzit wrote: Who are they? Unlike this constant handwaving, I've shared my experience ^^^ If you feel that my contributions and experience in Debian consist of constant

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Out of curiosity, have the d-i discussed with the release team the possibility of presenting them as alpha/beta/... of Debian as a whole? It seemed better when I was leading d-i to just do it, rather than talk about doing it. (Which AFAICS also holds true of this

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 22:17 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:35:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: [ Note that my position is based on the assumption that we have a share of DDs interested in rolling similar to the share of DDs interested in stable releases. Unfortunately,

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Those are real users from real life. I'm not saying we-re representative of a majority of Debian Users, but unlike all the handwaived users we've read about in this thread, those are real. First of all I think you should concede

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Carsten Hey
* Stefano Zacchiroli [2011-05-01 15:43 +0200]: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 02:06:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I think that we should not do any trade off on the quality of rolling/testing/the-antechamber-of-stable, but instead raise the quality of unstable so that (which isn't *that* bad,

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:36:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 01/05/11 at 22:17 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:35:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: [ Note that my position is based on the assumption that we have a share of DDs interested in rolling similar

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:41:07PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Those are real users from real life. I'm not saying we-re representative of a majority of Debian Users, but unlike all the handwaived users we've read about

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 May 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: Testing, OTOH, is really unique in that respect, with its mixture of fresh software and quarantine period. A 'frozen' requiring most updates to go through *-proposed-updates would make this quarantine period a lot less useful, and it would make

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 11:07:48PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: Testing, OTOH, is really unique in that respect, with its mixture of fresh software and quarantine period. A 'frozen' requiring most updates to go through *-proposed-updates would

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-05-01, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: - I've talked at several trade shows and conferences with developers of rolling distros based on Debian (in particular: Aptosid/Sidux and Linux Mint Debian Edition). They usually claim they have built those distros because Debian

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread sean finney
Hi Ste(ve|fano), On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 12:02:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 04:17:10PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: JFYI, Sean and Raphael have taken DEP number 10 They have? I haven't seen mail to debian-project about this, which is what

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Kel Modderman
Hi Stefano, On Mon, 2 May 2011 06:41:07 AM Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Those are real users from real life. I'm not saying we-re representative of a majority of Debian Users, but unlike all the handwaived users we've read about

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 22:48 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:36:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: It's clear that we are not going to stop doing stable releases anytime soon. However, there seem to be some interest in the rolling release concept. The question is: can we

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 11:39:47PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 01/05/11 at 22:48 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 10:36:07PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: It's clear that we are not going to stop doing stable releases anytime soon. However, there seem to be some

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
Hi On Sunday 01 May 2011, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2011-05-01, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: - I've talked at several trade shows and conferences with developers of rolling distros based on Debian (in particular: Aptosid/Sidux and Linux Mint Debian Edition). They usually

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-05-01 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 3.4.2011 18:08, Fernando Lemos napsal(a): * It doesn't have a good command-line interface It does have CLI interface. Those commands are bundled directly in NetworkManager: nm-cli nm-tool nm-online I'm not sure if this qualify as good command-line interface :) Miroslav Suchy -- To

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/05/11 at 23:46 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Benefits for Debian: - attract users who think that testing is only a development branch, and want newer software than what one finds in stable. Those users are likely to be rather advanced users (developers, free software

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread sean finney
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 11:17:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: The problem is, you need to entry points, one for testing as we know it, one for rolling. snip So basically you split our users in two non overlapping sets, meaning that you divide coverage and tests. How come is that in the

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-05-01 Thread Carsten Hey
* Pierre Habouzit [2011-05-01 23:17 +0200]: On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 11:07:48PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 01 May 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: Testing, OTOH, is really unique in that respect, with its mixture of fresh software and quarantine period. A 'frozen' requiring most

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-05-01 Thread Fernando Lemos
2011/5/1 Miroslav Suchý miros...@suchy.cz: Dne 3.4.2011 18:08, Fernando Lemos napsal(a): * It doesn't have a good command-line interface It does have CLI interface. Those commands are bundled directly in NetworkManager: nm-cli nm-tool nm-online I'm not sure if this qualify as good

Accepted icedove-l10n 1:3.1.10-1 (source all)

2011-05-01 Thread Christoph Goehre
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Accepted libhx 3.10.1-3 (source all amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 08:35:37 +0200 Source: libhx Binary: libhx27 libhx-dev libhx-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 3.10.1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Bastian Kleineidam cal...@debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted libpam-mount 2.10-2 (source amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 08:35:01 +0200 Source: libpam-mount Binary: libpam-mount Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.10-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Bastian Kleineidam cal...@debian.org Changed-By: Bastian Kleineidam

Accepted openvas-scanner 3.2.3-2 (source i386)

2011-05-01 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:13:03 +0200 Source: openvas-scanner Binary: openvas-scanner Architecture: source i386 Version: 3.2.3-2 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian OpenVAS Maintainers

Accepted unhide.rb 12-2 (source all)

2011-05-01 Thread Julien Valroff
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 08:52:41 +0200 Source: unhide.rb Binary: unhide.rb Architecture: source all Version: 12-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Forensics forensic-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Julien

Accepted libimobiledevice 1.1.1-1 (source all amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:28:43 +0200 Source: libimobiledevice Binary: libimobiledevice2 libimobiledevice-dev libimobiledevice2-dbg python-imobiledevice libimobiledevice-utils libimobiledevice-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version:

Accepted stumpwm 1:20110420.git14571fc-1 (source all)

2011-05-01 Thread Desmond O. Chang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 02:34:34 +0800 Source: stumpwm Binary: stumpwm Architecture: source all Version: 1:20110420.git14571fc-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team

Accepted van.pydeb 1.3.2-1 (source all)

2011-05-01 Thread Arnaud Fontaine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 17:06:31 +0900 Source: van.pydeb Binary: python-van.pydeb Architecture: source all Version: 1.3.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian/Ubuntu Zope Team pkg-zope-develop...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Accepted zim 0.52-1 (source all)

2011-05-01 Thread Raphaël Hertzog
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 09:29:45 +0200 Source: zim Binary: zim Architecture: source all Version: 0.52-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Raphaël Hertzog hert...@debian.org Changed-By: Raphaël Hertzog hert...@debian.org

Accepted python-scientific 2.8-2 (source all amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:36:03 +0200 Source: python-scientific Binary: python-scientific python-netcdf python-scientific-doc python-mpi mpichpython lampython Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 2.8-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency:

Accepted pam 1.1.2-3 (source all amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Steve Langasek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 01:49:11 -0700 Source: pam Binary: libpam0g libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g-dev libpam-cracklib libpam-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1.1.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer:

Accepted kaffeine 1.2.2-1 (source amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Fathi Boudra
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 11:55:48 +0300 Source: kaffeine Binary: kaffeine kaffeine-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.2.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team pkg-kde-ext...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Accepted xorg-server 2:1.10.1-2 (source all amd64)

2011-05-01 Thread Julien Cristau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:28:58 +0200 Source: xorg-server Binary: xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-core-udeb xserver-xorg-dev xdmx xdmx-tools xnest xvfb xserver-xephyr xserver-xfbdev xserver-xorg-core-dbg xserver-common Architecture:

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