Hi,
I am trying to change some things in the wmaker package menu. Now the
root menu is something like:
Applications-
Help-
Workspace-
Run...
Exit
In the Application submenu are included the Debian menu categories.
Editors-
Graphics-
Terminals-
Tools-
This menu is generated using the wmaker
I have a few questions. First, to repeat the original question, will
we be seeing Upstart 1.4 in Debian experimental or unstable?
Second, I would be interested in reading a good technical comparison
of Upstart and systemd. Does anyone have a URL for me?
I know the System V init system fairly
Le mercredi 22 février 2012 à 23:52 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
I wanted to add a command-line option to my X server. I spent 15 mins
trawling through docs and grepping for config options with no luck.
So I asked a search engine.
Actually there is a way in squeeze (since you’re talking
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote:
I know the System V init system fairly well but I am new to both
Upstart and systemd. Obviously the two are similar insofar as they are
both able to supersede SysV init.
I'm mostly a newbie with both, too. However, apart from
Riku Voipio riku.voi...@iki.fi writes:
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 01:12:08PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
The meme that systemd is better than upstart because it doesn't depend on
a shell is poppycock. No one has done any benchmarking to support the claim
that /bin/sh is a bottleneck for
Hi,
the goal for wheezy is to support multiarch and that means we can finaly
get rid of the ugly ia32-libs packages. For this to happen all packages
used in ia32-libs need to be multiarchified.
The ia32-libs packages contain stuff from around 150 packages (less in
number of source packages) and
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes:
Changing the name in the package would break tools that rely on the name
(like packages.debian.org extracting the Changelog). Also ugly.
We control the tools; we can change the tools. Multiarch is a big
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:58, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Upstart also does not support Should-Start which makes it impossible
to provide correct init scripts for a number of services. For example
autofs will not work if it uses nis because nis is not started before
autofs.
* Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net [120223 01:47]:
Yes, there is absolutely a big cost to pay in supporting multiple
init systems. Choice is good when there's a benefit, but we should
not ignore the cost we pay.
If two init system are too much to support, I'd suggest to stay with
the init
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
If this is comprehensive, then I propose the following path forward, which
is a mix of the various solutions that have been discussed:
* dpkg re-adds the refcounting implementation for multiarch, but along
with a Policy requirement that packages that
On 2012-02-22 23:52:09 + (+), Ian Jackson wrote:
On my netbook I'm running a pretty vanilla install of squeeze,
although my personal desktop session is very different to usual.
I wanted to add a command-line option to my X server. I spent 15
mins trawling through docs and grepping
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery [2012-02-16 14:55 -0800]:
Every file that differs has to be fixed in the current multi-arch plan.
Documentation that contains its build date is going to need to be split
out into a separate -docs
The Fungi fu...@yuggoth.org writes:
Maybe I don't use enough of the whiz-bang graphicky features lots of
people want, but I find logging into a vty and launching startx, just
like I have for decades, to work just fine. I'm certainly not going to
begrudge others their pointy-clicky fanciness,
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le lundi 13 février 2012 à 22:43 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
There's been a lot of discussion of this, but it seems to have been fairly
inconclusive. We need to decide what we're doing, if anything, for wheezy
fairly soon, so I think we need to
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
* Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net [120223 01:47]:
Yes, there is absolutely a big cost to pay in supporting multiple
init systems. Choice is good when there's a benefit, but we should
not ignore the cost we pay.
If two init
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
pkg:arch will still be unique and the dpkg/apt output will use the
architecture where required for uniqueness. So I think that after some
getting used to it it will be clear enough again.
Here are a few examples of the problems
On Feb 23, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
If two init system are too much to support, I'd suggest to stay with
the init working for everyone and not support systemd at all.
Not an option: we really need an events-based init system.
If you want legacy at all costs, I think that
On Feb 23, Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
What are the big costs of supporting other init systems?
Systemd supports /etc/init.d/* scripts and I believe that upstart does the
same.
The big cost is not in managing individual simple daemons, but in
everything else which you can
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I think it would be better to have a world in which all the architectures
of the foo package on the system have to have the same version, because
then you don't have to treat foo:i386 and foo:amd64 like they're separate
packages. The list of installed
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 05:54 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
I probably missed some key thing that makes this work, but the last time I
tried, using startx when you want to launch a desktop environment like
GNOME or Xfce was quite painful and confusing.
There might be some remaining
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:10, Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org wrote:
* David Kalnischkies [2012-02-16 03:59 +0100]:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 00:39, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
(the only problem i see is that i don't have
Thibaut Paumard mlotpot.n...@free.fr writes:
Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
Hi,
now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks
like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy.
!!!HURAY!!!
The problem now is the transition:
1) multiarch
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Package: 3depict
Source: 3depict (0.0.9-1)
Version: 0.0.9-1+b1
Except that doesn't have to work (sorry for the ubuntu part):
Package: gcc
Source: gcc-defaults (1.93ubuntu1)
Version: 4:4.4.3-1ubuntu1
What would the version be for a
Hi,
I'm looking for a way to enable non-root users to install packages on
their local machines, but not removing/purging them.
I know that probably the proper way to achieve that is PackageKit, but I
was wondering if there is also a way to allow the use of apt-get, with
constraints for certain
On 2012-02-23 05:54:49 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote:
I probably missed some key thing that makes this work, but the
last time I tried, using startx when you want to launch a desktop
environment like GNOME or Xfce was quite painful and confusing.
[...]
Ahh, yes... I don't try. I'm just
Thomas Hood jdth...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:58, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Upstart also does not support Should-Start which makes it impossible
to provide correct init scripts for a number of services. For example
autofs will not work if it uses nis
On Feb 23, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Say you have a desktop system but also have apache, postgresql, ... for
some developement work installed. First thing you need when you turn it
on is your desktop. The apache and postgresql do not need to be running
for you to log in
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [120223 15:24]:
Not an option: we really need an events-based init system.
If you want legacy at all costs, I think that Slackware is looking for
developers.
What's the supposed answer to this kind of ad hominem attack?
Asking you if you have too many Microsoft
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:32:18 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for a way to enable non-root users to install packages on
their local machines, but not removing/purging them.
At which point, you lose anyway because sometimes package
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:57 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [120223 15:24]:
Not an option: we really need an events-based init system.
If you want legacy at all costs, I think that Slackware is looking for
developers.
What's the supposed answer to this kind of
Hi,
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 16:32 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
écrit :
I'm looking for a way to enable non-root users to install packages on
their local machines, but not removing/purging them.
I know that probably the proper way to achieve that is PackageKit, but I
was wondering
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
(We even have a patch to allow only a subset of packages but it is
unfortunately a bit too hackish.)
Would be really nice to have some standard sets available (think
browser extensions, command-line tools that ship no services or suid
binaries). I'd
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120223 17:34]:
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:57 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [120223 15:24]:
Not an option: we really need an events-based init system.
If you want legacy at all costs, I think that Slackware is looking for
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:56:22AM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
Moreover, other display manager may not work correctly because gdm3 is
the only display manager supporting all modern stuff. For example, we
could switch to something like slim but slim does not play nice with
ConsoleKit
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120223 17:34]:
Many people seem to argue that 'we know the old stuff and it works
everywhere'. The second point, 'it works everywhere' isn't really true
as there is a constant stream of bugs in init scripts and inherent
problems with the lack of real
Em 23/02/2012 14:58, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org escreveu:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:56:22AM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
Moreover, other display manager may not work correctly because gdm3 is
the only display manager supporting all modern stuff. For example, we
could switch to
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 17:54 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
I've no problem with Debian supporting multiple init systems. But if
someone claims maintaince costs are too high for that, that is in my
eyes a reason against supporting systemd, not for only having it.
Seriously, this
2012/2/23 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi:
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
(We even have a patch to allow only a subset of packages but it is
unfortunately a bit too hackish.)
Would be really nice to have some standard sets available (think
browser extensions, command-line
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [120223 18:36]:
Seriously, this constant obstruction to improving the Debian system by a
minority of whiners who don’t contribute much to relevant parts of the
system but have an opinion on everything is getting intolerable.
As long as you react to everything
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 18:57 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit :
You can change the PK settings using PolicyKit. Limiting installations
to a group of packages is not possible at time. (and not planned -
what if a package in group X requires a package of group Y? Users
could easily work
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 17:39 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [120223 17:34]:
That is not an ad hominem attack. Ad hominem would be dismissing the
opponent with 'but you are just an old fart'.
It's ad hominem because of If you want legacy at all
Hi,
I am about to upload a fresh new package -- CDE
http://www.stanford.edu/~pgbovine/cde.html
which is heavily based on strace (pretty much it is a code fork of
strace to provide necessary functionality).
Upstream author maintains it for x86 architectures only and
unfortunately has neither
2012/2/23 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 18:57 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit :
You can change the PK settings using PolicyKit. Limiting installations
to a group of packages is not possible at time. (and not planned -
what if a package in group X requires a
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:13:33PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
the goal for wheezy is to support multiarch and that means we can finaly
get rid of the ugly ia32-libs packages. For this to happen all packages
used in ia32-libs need to be multiarchified.
The ia32-libs packages contain
On 2012-01-31 18:14, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
I'm planning to file bugs against all packages that currently fail the
piuparts test with a 'ucf: command not found' error in wheezy and sid.
As ucf became transitively essential in the mean time, this mass bug
filing is postponed until this problem
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 07:24:20AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Tzafrir Cohen
In sysv init scripts the daemon forks into the background. In upstrart
and systemd it doesn't have to (or shouldn't). (not) forking requires a
different command-line argument, normally. This leads to odd
Hi,
I'm planning to file bugs against all packages that currently leave
alternatives on the system after they were removed. Forgetting to remove
alternatives usually leaves dangling symlinks on the system and in most
cases these are dangling symlinks in /usr/bin
At the moment there are 20
* Andreas Beckmann deb...@abeckmann.de, 2012-02-23, 21:49:
I'm planning to file bugs against all packages that currently leave
alternatives on the system after they were removed. Forgetting to
remove alternatives usually leaves dangling symlinks on the system and
in most cases these are
But for me all the new init systems have a fundamental lack: They do not
have priorities.
I think that's gone already.. update-rc.d already does whatever it wants with
the priorities.
--
Salvo Tomaselli
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]] Bernhard R. Link
My point is that every init system will have a constant stream of
problems. There simply is no way anyone will ever write a system that
always work. Currently we have a system where every user has a chance to
debug and fix those problems and make their system work again.
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 08:07:10PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
mime
This separate document has been retired and and its (short)
contents merged into Policy section 9.7. There are no changes to
the requirements.
Does this have any influence on #658139? As
Andreas Tille andr...@fam-tille.de writes:
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 08:07:10PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
mime
This separate document has been retired and and its (short)
contents merged into Policy section 9.7. There are no changes to
the requirements.
Does
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Not an option: we really need an events-based init system.
If you want legacy at all costs, I think that Slackware is looking
for developers.
What's the supposed answer to this kind of ad hominem attack?
[...]
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 432 (new: 34)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 146 (new: 4)
Total number of packages
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:31:38AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
Finally one benefit of an event based booting system is that it won't become
stuck if one daemon hangs. I've had problems in the past when one daemon
didn't start up and that prevented other daemons from starting due to the
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:31:38AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
[...]
Debian has already become rather difficult to debug. During the text boot
process we have a change to the video mode which resets the scroll-back
buffer
and makes it difficult to read early messages that appear on the
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes:
Is there any way of capturing the old text output from /dev/console at a
later
stage in the boot?
I personally use
http://iki.fi/lindi/git/vtgrab-initramfs.git/
which starts rvcd (remote virtual console daemon) in the beginning of
initramfs and
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