On 2012-03-23 04:07, Ian Jackson wrote:
If you absolutely want a workaround an obvious one is to bodge a fake
deluser into the piuparts setup.
I don't think working around bugs without properly documenting them
first ist a good solution. Especially for sid where we do much more
pedantic tests
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On Mar 22, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
So you believe that systemd
Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
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On 03/23/2012 12:14 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
[1] https://blip.tv/linuxconfau/beyond-init-systemd-4715015
This is very interesting, thanks for the link.
What I found interesting, is when he says that all distributions are
switching to systemd. All but ... Ubuntu. But he pretends to have
good
On 03/22/2012 07:10 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
This I disagree with, Debian doesn't work by people sitting down,
writing papers and then agreeing on a course of action. Debian works,
mostly, by people putting in effort and then documenting how others can
solve the same or similar problems.
]] Samuel Thibault
Tollef Fog Heen, le Thu 22 Mar 2012 15:47:45 +0100, a écrit :
Stig Sandbeck Mathisen, le Thu 22 Mar 2012 13:35:15 +0100, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
Because the issue at stake might lie in systemd itself, not the unit
file.
]] Thomas Goirand
And also with release goals. If we decide to change sysvinit by something
else (which ever it is), I guess it would be a wheezy+1 release goal
(I really hope that nobody is seriously thinking about such radical
change so close from the freeze...).
I'm working on getting
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 05:04:09PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 03/23/2012 12:14 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
[1] https://blip.tv/linuxconfau/beyond-init-systemd-4715015
This is very interesting, thanks for the link.
What I found interesting, is when he says that all distributions are
Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
Well, In find the overall reception of systemd in upstream projects
and the current state of upstart in Debian quite convincing. Even
OpenSUSE who
Tollef Fog Heen, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 10:27:02 +0100, a écrit :
What init scripts use from the shell is way less complex than what
systemd implements, and it's independant from what is needed to achieve
the boot. You can copy over a woking systemd, fine, your system can
boot, but you have to
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:49:09AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-03-21 09:34]:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
the particular script that poses problem. With a deamon like systemd,
it's rather all-or-nothing.
This gives me the impression that systemd would be a single monolithic
binary but isn't vconsole-setup.c that you mention actually part of a
small
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode...
I'm not a big fan of Network Manager, but this is unfair: if you click
Make available to all users the connection will
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 00:07 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Speaking about buggy software: Today the libpcre3 update broke a lot of
functions on my computer
This is an interesting story, as libpcre3 being a really core part of
the system now means that it should stop being maintained in
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 14:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode...
I'm not a big fan of Network Manager, but this is
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 13:35 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Can the Network Manager be controlled/started/configured in console mode
when X is not running? If the answer to the above questions is yes,
maybe that setting (making Network Manager work also without X) would be
the default!
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 13:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 13:35 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Can the Network Manager be controlled/started/configured in console mode
when X is not running? If the answer to the above questions is yes,
maybe that setting
Hi
Dne Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:35:34 +0100
Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com napsal(a):
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 14:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
breaks!!! Network
The answer is yes to the three questions; for controlling it’s a bit
complicated with the existing CLI tools, but it is very easy to
configure connections with ini-like configuration files and start them
without X.
but wicd has front-ends for curses, cli, gnome, kde
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Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 14:16 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Regarding configuration of different tools, clicking here and there is
becoming more like the M$ world.
If any kind of GUI makes you think of Microsoft, there’s not much we can
do for you.
There you never know where the
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On Saturday 17 March 2012 10:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
I'd like people to think twice before opt-in for systemd. I just
taked with a friend working for redhat, and he told me how much he
hates it. He told me that if *anything* goes wrong in
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:23 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Same problem seems to apply to gconf and its successor(s).
Ah yes of course. Because gconftool(1) and gsettings(1) never worked
at all.
I have tried gconftool before:
gconftool
Run 'gconftool --help' to see a full list of
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2012, 12:32 +0100 schrieb Denis Washington:
synfigstudio already was in Debian, but was removed together with synfig from
the package archives (bug #612070). Dmitry Smirnov onlyjob at fsf member org
has recently updated the etl, synfig and synfigstudio packages to
Timo Juhani Lindfors, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 14:15:00 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
the particular script that poses problem. With a deamon like systemd,
it's rather all-or-nothing.
This gives me the impression that systemd would be a single monolithic
binary
Roger Leigh, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 10:44:31 +, a écrit :
Debugging the core sysvinit or systemd code does
require programming expertise, but it only needs doing once.
Once it's tested and known to work well, the chance of a
user running into problems with it is very small.
In the case of
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@researchut.com wrote:
Today, on my typical laptop, boot is not the most important task. It
is better to have something well working, fixable (being mere shell
scripts and that's what your friend is also pointing). sysvinit serves
this
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:56:49AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote:
Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
Well, In find the overall reception of systemd in upstream projects
and the
Dmitry uploaded the source package to mentors.debian.org:
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Steve Langasek wrote:
The current state of upstart in Debian is a reflection of the upstart
maintainers' respect for Debian and desire to not destabilize the
distribution by triggering an avalanche of package conversions that could
quickly take us past the point of no return for bit rot of our
On Friday, March 23, 2012 12:05:28, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@researchut.com
wrote:
Today, on my typical laptop, boot is not the most important task. It
is better to have something well working, fixable (being mere shell
scripts and
On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
The man pages are not very informative either.
lol whut?
You're arguing for CLI tools and then fail to read our all favourite
documentation source?
$ gconftool --all-dirs /
/system
/desktop
/schemas
/apps
Go figure. From
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 20:43 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Svante Signell
svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode... Looking forward
to the which
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
latest version available in debian. i don't care about the upstart
support in debian because:
- i have my own upstart packages for my own software and want
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
latest version available in debian. i don't care about the
On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
case,
daemons need to be patched to work correctly with systemd.
This is simply not true.
Only if you want to use socket activation, you need to patch your
daemon. But socket
This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
if you want to continue.
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On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:17 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
The man pages are not very informative either.
lol whut?
You're arguing for CLI tools and then fail to read our all favourite
documentation source?
$ gconftool
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:29 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
if you want to continue.
No it is not, this is as important as the systemd/upstart/sysvint\
issue, now being discussed on Debian devel. The general question is:
How much
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
case, daemons need to be patched to work correctly with systemd.
This is simply not true.
Only if you want to use
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:54 +0100, Thomas Bechtold wrote:
i did this already 10 month ago [1]. i also wrote some mails to the
maintainer, he answered, i build some test packages for debian sid,
wrote mails again but at the end nothing happened and the maintainer
didn't answer to my last
On 23.03.2012 23:59, Chris Knadle wrote:
Lennart Pottering during his talk said that daemons needed to be patched to
fully work with systemd, but didn't say specifically what they needed to be
patched for. If he had qualified it, I would have.
Can you provide any references?
--
Why is
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:32:09PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:17 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
The man pages are not very informative either.
lol whut?
You're arguing for CLI tools and then
Hi,
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:06:09AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:54 +0100, Thomas Bechtold wrote:
i did this already 10 month ago [1]. i also wrote some mails to the
maintainer, he answered, i build some test packages for debian sid,
wrote mails again but at
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On Friday, March 23, 2012 19:06:48, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 23.03.2012 23:59, Chris Knadle wrote:
Lennart Pottering during his talk said that daemons needed to be patched
to fully work with systemd, but didn't say specifically what they needed
to be patched for. If he had qualified it, I
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:59:52PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
case, daemons need to be patched to work correctly with
On Friday, March 23, 2012 19:23:11, Michael Banck wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:59:52PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Svante Signell
svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:29 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
if you want to continue.
No it is not, this is as important as the
I have an idea,
all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
Hmmm, and all bin/ programs should given a test run too... to at least
see they can print --version without segfaulting etc.
Hmmm, all even more important
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 09:45:03AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
I have an idea,
all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
As Arno already stated[0], this isn't a problem with Apache. One of the
libraries it
On Friday, March 23, 2012 21:45:03, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
I have an idea,
all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
Hmmm, and all bin/ programs should given a test run too... to at least
see they can print
It doesn't matter who is to blame.
A simple /etc/init.d/... start test could catch such grave bugs before
they hit the user.
Who is to blame could be figured out internally.
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Hello
Hi Henri! Please try the debian-mentors list.
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On Dom 18 Mar 2012 11:55:51 Henri Le Foll escribió:
Hello
OK, maybe I've hitted enter too fast.
I don't know a to maintain a package, and I would be interested to
maintain a package I use every day.
OK, my early reply was mostly to ↑ this.
First I need to learn how to maintain an easy
Please cc me on replies as I am not presently subscribed to
debian-devel.
I would like to do multiarch conversion for the icu packages. I
understand the concept and the implementation, and I have looked at
http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation. One issue not covered
is what to do if
Whereas there's no indication that RHEL is switching away from upstart. I'm
not sure why Debian should regard OpenSUSE as an opinion leader when picking
its core technologies.
When it comes to the boot system we have collaborated quite a lot with Werner
Fink who is SuSE/OpenSuSE affiliated
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