Bonjour,
Je me permets de vous écrire suite aux conseils d'un mainteneur Debian
qui m'a recommandé de m'adresser à cette liste de diffusion pour ma
demande.
Je m'appelle Julien Kauffmann, et je suis à l'origine de différents
projets libres:
- freelan (www.freelan.org) - Un VPN
On 10/05/12 01:04, Brian May wrote:
Should I be changing
the library name from libdar64-5 to libdar64-5000? Or does this change
reflect some sort of misunderstanding in how library versions work?
Given that he doesn't understand why libtool sets the first digit to
current-age (5000 instead of
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* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: Python
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Enrico Tassi gareuselesi...@debian.org
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* License : MIT
Programming Lang: Lua
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:46:40PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
It also means that I don't get a pile of noise in etckeeper from all the
upgrades of default configurations, so that my commits to etckeeper primarily
consist of my own local changes.
I don't personally use etckeeper but it strikes
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Description
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes:
Machine-specific configuration belongs in /etc. The default behavior of
the tools doesn't.
Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because
they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the
defaults any
Package: wnpp
Hello everybody,
I was reminded to send an ITP for cloud-init, so that the progress in packaging
can be followed. Here are prospective control and copyright files.
I tried to rework the description using
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit.
Your comments, proofreading,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software
coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed solely for their
use, including working around the missing/broken features of RPM,
I'm curious exactly what you mean by this, since my own
On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:22:11 Uoti Urpala wrote:
Steve McIntyre wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
Marco d'Itri wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I suspect that the correct
solution would be to just symlink /lib/udev/rules.d/ to
/etc/udev/rules.d/ and so on.
Please don't.
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Upstream Author:Daisuke Maki dais...@endeworks.jp
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/ZeroMQ/
License:GPL-1+ or Artistic
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Hi,
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 06:19:48 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
As I'd like to change a Pre-Depends in dpkg, I'm bringing this up here
for discussion, as per policy §3.5 and given dpkg “Essential: yes”
nature.
As mentioned in [0] some time ago, I'd like to switch the Pre-Depends
from the
George Danchev wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:22:11 Uoti Urpala wrote:
Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software
coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed solely for their
use, including working around the missing/broken
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 03:47:21PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
]] Philipp Kern
You will not, however, get a conffile update prompt when the system
file changes (e.g. to update your own local copy to incorporate the
fix).
This is something I'm
[Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not
subscribed to debian-devel.]
First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an
access to a directory similar to /var very early during the boot process
- when /var is not yet mounted. Currently it creates
On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because
they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the
defaults any more configuration either. It just hides important local
changes and makes it difficult both
On 2012-05-10 18:43 +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
[Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not
subscribed to debian-devel.]
First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an
access to a directory similar to /var very early during the boot process
-
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:43:46PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
[Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not
subscribed to debian-devel.]
First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an
access to a directory similar to /var very early during the
On 10/05/2012 19:34, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because
they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the
defaults any more configuration either. It just hides important
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see how that's
relevant to the discussion.
The reason why it is relevant is because in the etc-overrides-lib
model you are unable to
On 2012-05-10 19:45 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:43:46PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
[Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not
subscribed to debian-devel.]
First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an
access to a
On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:53:18 Uoti Urpala wrote:
George Danchev wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:22:11 Uoti Urpala wrote:
Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software
coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed solely for
On 10/05/2012 19:55, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see how that's
relevant to the discussion.
The reason why it is relevant is because in the
On 05/10/2012 12:14 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Not having the files in /etc by default does have technical advantages.
It's easier to see what is local non-default configuration. Original
default file is always available in a known location (and very easy to
revert to, temporarily for testing or
On 05/10/2012 04:52 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software
coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed solely for their
use, including working around the missing/broken features of RPM, is
seriously annoying. Configuration
Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because
they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the
defaults any more configuration either. It just hides important local
changes
On Thu, 10 May 2012, David Weinehall wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 03:47:21PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Such a tool would certainly be very useful, but doing it right would be
fairly hard, as far as I see.
And it would require assistance from at least the package maintainer, to
mark
On 05/10/2012 07:01 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
I've seen people mention that the way udev and systemd do config files
is really motivated by limitations in RH's packaging tools. Maybe
that's the case, maybe not.
It's *not*! It's a difference in *policy*. :)
RH's policy is that you should never
On 05/10/2012 07:13 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
I have given technical reasons to prefer etc-overrides-lib semantics.
You failed to address any of the reasons I or others have given. Instead
you started by bashing Red Hat, and then gave as your only reason to
prefer traditional conffile semantics
[Uoti Urpala]
The reason why most old applications do not follow that approach (at
least not yet) is pretty obvious: their authors never considered it.
etc-overrides-lib semantics have only become a seriously considered
alternative fairly recently.
If I'm not mistaken, I first saw this sort
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see how that's
relevant to the discussion.
The reason why it is relevant is because
I don't see how the
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
I do not know about trivially merging changes in the
etc-overrides-lib model, but in the current model, I am presented
with the dpkg prompt about conffiles for some programs where I added
(or changed) only one line (off the top of my head:
On 10/05/2012 21:12, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
I do not know about trivially merging changes in the
etc-overrides-lib model, but in the current model, I am presented
with the dpkg prompt about conffiles for some programs where I added
(or changed)
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
The reason why it is relevant is because [...]
I don't see how the following would make this comparison with rpm
relevant.
This is debian-devel, and we're talking about configuration file
handling in Debian, which makes ucf and
George Danchev wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:53:18 Uoti Urpala wrote:
The reason why most old applications do not follow that approach (at
least not yet) is pretty obvious: their authors never considered it.
etc-overrides-lib semantics have only become a seriously considered
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
The reason why it is relevant is because [...]
I don't see how the following would make this comparison with rpm
relevant.
This is debian-devel, and we're talking about configuration file
On Thursday 10 May 2012 21:46:41 Uoti Urpala wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see how that's
relevant to the discussion.
The
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:44:45AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/10/2012 04:52 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software
coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed solely for their
use, including working around the
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:45:21PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but /boot seems to be a very bad
choice for the location, simply because it is not available any earlier
than /var.
Ah, you are right.
So it seems only /etc is an option. Thanks.
Anton
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
I don't see how the following would make this comparison with rpm
relevant.
This is debian-devel, and we're talking about configuration file
handling in Debian, which makes ucf and dpkg relevant.
Yes, ucf and dpkg are relevant
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:13:39PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:45:21PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but /boot seems to be a very bad
choice for the location, simply because it is not available any earlier
than /var.
Ah,
On 05/10/2012 05:53 PM, Harlan Lieberman-Berg wrote:
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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:55:06AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see how that's
relevant to the discussion.
The reason why it is
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:29:05 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
in the current model, I am presented with the dpkg prompt
about conffiles for some programs where I added (or changed) only one
line (off the top of my head: only the servers list in roundcube, for
example), and dpkg does not
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 09:40:23PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Generally the console has to work even before root is mounted, so
that the user can enter a decryption password if necessary.
Unfortunately, as far as I know currently this doesn't work in
Debian. Proper wishlist bug reports
George Danchev wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2012 21:46:41 Uoti Urpala wrote:
I don't see how the following would make this comparison with rpm relevant.
It was a comparison of the packaging system facilities to handle upgrades of
the configuration files of the applications. This was initially
On ven., 2012-05-11 at 00:16 +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 09:40:23PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Generally the console has to work even before root is mounted, so
that the user can enter a decryption password if necessary.
Unfortunately, as far as I know
On May 10, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jean-christophe.dub...@ens-lyon.org wrote:
There are cases where file in /etc overrides only the directives present
in /etc and not the rest. I prefer this way.
Fine, but they are not the cases which we are discussing.
--
ciao,
Marco
signature.asc
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote:
In the etc-overrides-lib model, program defaults and local
configuration are effectively being merged every time the program
starts.
This is only the case if the configuration files are fine grained
enough that overrides to a configuration file
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:43:46PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an
access to a directory similar to /var very early during the boot process
- when /var is not yet mounted. Currently it creates files in the
directory
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
FWIW, /etc/default/* and /etc/$package/conf.d/* and similar already
do something *very* close to what etc-overrides-non-etc does. To the
point that changing a file under /etc/default, or adding a snippet
to conf.d/ can break just as well when the
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote:
In the etc-overrides-lib model, program defaults and local
configuration are effectively being merged every time the program
starts.
This seems to assume that the program would always read both. systemd
unit files don't work
On Friday 11 May 2012 00:01:14 Uoti Urpala wrote:
--cut--
You need to at least start reading some man-pages (a good start would be
ucf(1), ucfr(1), ucfq(1), debconf-devel(7)) before keep jamming
suggestion like improvements to be able to alert the user about
changes. This is already there,
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because
they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the
defaults any more configuration either. It just hides important local
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 394 (new: 2)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 169 (new: 2)
Total number of packages
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 09:56:57PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:55:06AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Uoti Urpala wrote:
You're pretty much just saying that dpkg and helpers like ucf have
implemented better functionality than rpm. I don't see
Hello,
Can somebody here please check out my response to the claim ld
prefers linking with the oldest [library version].
I suspect upgrading the major version to major * 1000 may have only
worked due to unrelated reasons.
Thanks
--
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au
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