On 12-07-11 at 10:04am, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
[…]
It is a feature (which each user is free to avoid by not using it!)
for Debian to include a meta-package that pulls in that vil
n-m, not a bug.
… And what exactly this “feature”
Hi!
On 11.07.2012 04:45, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
Although mysql-5.1 was indeed removed from unstable, MySQL wasn't.
mysql-5.1 was simply removed because MySQL has a version number in
source package names and the number changed. MySQL is now packaged as
mysql-5.5:
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 09:10:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
A meta-package has no functionalirty beyond pulling in packages, so
there is no loss to the resulting system other than lack of its sole
feature.
IMVHO a feature almost as important is to remove a set of packages.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On 12-07-11 at 10:45am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 09:10:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
A meta-package has no functionalirty beyond pulling in packages, so
there is no loss to the resulting system other than lack of its sole
feature.
IMVHO a feature almost as important is to
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 10:55:16, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The feature of _allowing a subset of packages to be removed that was
_ensured_ to be installed: Impossible without defeating the feature of
_ensuring_ those same package are installed.
Agreed. However, unless I missed something I haven't
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 20:01 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
I disagree: Looking at the many other dependencies of gnome-core, it
clearly isn't meant as smallest possible GNOME setup but more
essential parts of what the upstream GNOME project has to offer - as
its package description
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:10:18AM -0400, John L. Males wrote:
Modified Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 (squeeze)
Planning, Upgrade, Modifications from Highly modified
^^^
Debian 4.x Etch
^^^
And you upgraded to Lenny, then Squeeze
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 11:14:52, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Yes, maybe we should advertise it more, but gnome-session should be
self-contained, and enough for a bare GNOME desktop without any
applications.
Yes please :)
Some kind of harmonization of (meta-)package names with KDE would also
be very
Le 11/07/12 11:14, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 20:01 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
I disagree: Looking at the many other dependencies of gnome-core, it
clearly isn't meant as smallest possible GNOME setup but more
essential parts of what the upstream GNOME
On 12-07-11 at 12:12pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 10:55:16, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The feature of _allowing a subset of packages to be removed that was
_ensured_ to be installed: Impossible without defeating the feature
of _ensuring_ those same package are installed.
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
??? kde-full
gnome kde-standard
gnome-core kde-plasma-desktop/kde-plasma-netbook
gnome-session ???
Maybe some sort of renaming would also be nice to make the
‘hierarchy’ more obvious? Along the lines of
???
* Betr.: Re: Bug#680817: tryton-proteus: FTBFS: ImportError: No module named
dateutil.relativedelta (Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:49:15 +0200):
* Mathias Behrle mathi...@m9s.biz, 2012-07-09, 11:17:
I want to ask according to Debian policy [1] about a Pre-Depends with
respect to the following build
On 2012-07-11, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Mi, 11 iul 12, 11:14:52, Josselin Mouette wrote:
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Yes, maybe we should advertise it
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:39:10PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Daniele E. Domenichelli daniele.domeniche...@gmail.com
* Package name: gtkdataboxmm
Version : 0.9.1
Upstream Author : Daniele E. Domenichelli daniele.domeniche...@iit.it
* URL : https://sourceforge.net/projects/gtkdataboxmm/
*
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 10:17:44, Sune Vuorela wrote:
I'd rather put kde-plasma-desktop/kde-plasma-netbook on the
gnome-session level. and probably kde-full at the gnome level.
kde-standard is not a collection by upstream, but a collection by the
debian people, so it doesn't fully fit the
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:07:10, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
... And I disagree with that. No solution can override policy's all
Depends must be satisfied. If one choose to support the exclude from
metapackage one either has to change the policy, remove
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:39:10PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning
On 11/07/2012 11:12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 10:55:16, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The feature of _allowing a subset of packages to be removed that was
_ensured_ to be installed: Impossible without defeating the feature of
_ensuring_ those same package are installed.
Agreed.
On 2012-07-10 23:46, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
- The gnome-core metapackage is very useful to some people. It helps
people install a standard GNOME installation, keep it installed,
and remove it later if they wish, using a single package.
Most metapackages provide such a useful collection
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 08:51:32AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Broken as in partially working because there are expected features missing
is the _very_ definition of not installing a recommended package.
Now, broken as in doesn't work at all for any use case would be a bug,
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
Moreover, despite me understanding the picture, I still
has no clean, safe and documented way to do what I'd want in case the
package maintainer chosed Depends.
You have: install the pieces you want by hand. That's at least clean and
safe. I do
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
IMO, metapackages should depend on the absolutely required stuff (and many
times that will be the empty set), recommend the rest, and maybe even
suggest fringe packages. This achieves maximum usability for more
usecases, and malfunctions
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 18:43:03, Gergely Nagy wrote:
During the past ~14 years I've been using Debian with that setting
turned off, nothing ever broke on my systems because of this setting. If
it does, then I'll consider that a bug and report it
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Le 11/07/12 14:36, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
IMO, metapackages should depend on the absolutely required
stuff (and many times that will be the empty set), recommend
the rest, and maybe even
Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org writes:
Well, in case of GNOME, upstream considers n-m to be part of the core
system, to the best of my knowledge. If upstream does so, so should we.
No. That's why we have our own distribution instead of just a collection of
unpatched packages
Thibaut Paumard paum...@users.sourceforge.net writes:
That also achives maximum annoyance, because if I want the full
platform, I'll have to go recommends/suggest hunting. (No, I'm
*not* going to turn on install-recommends.)
You don't want to turn on install-recommends, but you are happy
On 2012-07-11 14:33, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
Moreover, despite me understanding the picture, I still
has no clean, safe and documented way to do what I'd want in case the
package maintainer chosed Depends.
You have: install the pieces you want
By the way, I find it enlightening to realize that gnome only
recommends network-manager-gnome whereas gnome-core depends on it.
That was at gnome 2.30 times...
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On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 20:01 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-07-10 at 06:34pm, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:10 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
of packages is installed, not just recommend them:
Thanks, I will review the list of critical errors to look for any
package on my interest. If I can resolve any errors better.
If I cannot, maybe I could try to edit a program of another distro to
adapt it to Debian. I installed on 2 partitions of 20Gb Ubuntu and
LMDE, and there are some packages
Some argue that meta-packages can have a different purpose, and some
argue that recommending also to some (lesser) extend ensures
installation of packages. None of that, however, changes the fact that
_this_ meta-package _now_ has the feature of strictly ensuring a certain
set of packages.
I still (as previously mentioned) believe that you really should focus
on gnome-session instead, if you feel gnome-core is too invasive when it
insist on installing certain image viewer, web browser, video player and
other tools (which includes a certain network manager).
Installing an image
Yet, we try to not diverge much from upstream, and maintain a good
relationship with them. If they consider it core, so can we. Those who
want to hand-pick parts of a meta package, can do so, we do not forbid.
If we want to be user friendly, it is not a matter of we do not forbid, it
is a
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
IMO, metapackages should depend on the absolutely required stuff (and many
times that will be the empty set), recommend the rest, and maybe even
suggest fringe packages. This achieves maximum
On 12-07-11 at 07:54pm, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 20:01 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
essential parts of what the upstream GNOME project has to offer - as
its package description also clearly reflects.
And NM is not essential in my point of view
Your view is irrelevant
On 12-07-11 at 07:21pm, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
I still (as previously mentioned) believe that you really should
focus on gnome-session instead, if you feel gnome-core is too
invasive when it insist on installing certain image viewer, web
browser, video player and other tools
Gergely wrote:
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
IMO, metapackages should depend on the absolutely required stuff (and many
times that will be the empty set), recommend the rest, and maybe even
suggest fringe packages. This achieves maximum usability for more
usecases, and
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: er...@in.tum.de
* Package name: predictnls
Version : 1.0.18
Upstream Author : Laszlo Kajan lka...@rostlab.org
* URL : http://www.rostlab.org/
* License : GPL
Programming Lang: Perl
Description : PredictNLS is an
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 15:22:32, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Like I said earlier: script it. I posted a script that can remove any
number of packages from another's depends line, and echo a control
file. Updating that to create a local meta-package is a piece of
cake. Hooking it into apt is also
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 14:41:50, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
Depending on how you do the package selection on your next installation
you might end up with rsyslog, but without logrotate[1].
I don't see how that would break anything. logrotate is not
Installing N-M breaks unrelated software.
That is a bug in network-manager, not in gnome-core.
That bug is not fixed nor worked around by making it easier to avoid the
broken package.
No. It is not a broken package. It does what it is designed to do. The bug is
having it as a Depends
[...]
essential parts of what the upstream GNOME project has to offer - as
its package description also clearly reflects.
And NM is not essential in my point of view
Your view is irrelevant here: GNOME project considers it essential.
Gnome view is the one irrelevant. This is Debian
Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org (11/07/2012):
Your view is irrelevant here: GNOME project considers it essential.
Gnome view is the one irrelevant. This is Debian GNU/Linux, not Gnome
GNU/Linux. We need to care for our users (both proficient and novice [1]),
not for Gnome
On July 10, 2012 10:39:10 AM Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
So, if
On 2012-07-11, Bruce Sass bms...@shaw.ca wrote:
On July 10, 2012 10:39:10 AM Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off
On 11 July 2012 14:21, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote:
Installing N-M breaks unrelated software.
Hi!
I don't claim to be a networking expert, but I believe half the
conversation here is based on wrong or outdated information. I
encourage those who think NetworkManager (NM)
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 08:04:18PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 11 July 2012 14:21, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote:
Installing N-M breaks unrelated software.
I don't claim to be a networking expert, but I believe half the
conversation here is based on wrong or outdated
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 07:21:00PM +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
Installing N-M breaks unrelated software.
No. At most it breaks *related* software.
Kind regards
Philipp Kern
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:32:19PM -0600, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 07:21:00PM +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
Installing N-M breaks unrelated software.
No. At most it breaks *related* software.
Exactly, that's why it's the gnome-core package that's RC-buggy, not
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