Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Stummvoll
The 'ip' command is in /bin/ip and always available in PATH. It is the currently recommended swiss-army chainsaw network tool. Give it a try. $ ip addr show Or: $ ip addr show eth0 And of course you can add the sbins to your PATH in .profile so that you have what you want

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org): Sure, certainly true. But, assuming that we have a consensus that the distinction no longer matters and just causes extra work (something that I'm inclined to agree with but that I don't think we can assume we've decided on yet), I hate to see us doing

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 09:02 CEST, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org : I'm probably a bit old school here, but I think that the distinction between bin and sbin still makes sense. Maybe some binaries are misplaced (for instance, if ifconfig makes sense to be used as normal user, then it should be

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Stummvoll
Hi, Moving ifconfig to /bin would break a lot of things calling `/sbin/ifconfig`. there could be a link for compatiblity Kind Regards, Michael signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:02:13AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Isn't there something called FHS and which would be the thing to change first? Or aren't we sticking to the FHS anyway or just don't care? If we keep /sbin as a symlink to /bin, and similarly for the other sbin directories,

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/08/2012 03:16 AM, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Currently the default PATH for Debian does not include /sbin, /usr/sbin, nor /usr/local/sbin. If an user wants to run a program in either /sbin/ or /usr/sbin the full path must be specified. Or the user just adds those directories to $PATH in

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 08/08/2012 09:43 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Experienced users should be able to do this easily. And those who don't knwo what to do with the tools in */sbin/* probably don't want/need them in $PATH. I think the topic in here is good defaults for debian/more common case no if debian/users

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mittwoch, 8. August 2012, Michael Stummvoll wrote: what exactly is the actually reason that a default normal user has ip in his PATH but not ifconfig (also route)? hysteric raisins. (ip a convinced me to use ip instead of ifconfig: it's shorter to type.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 10:32 AM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: I think this is a great idea :) You can't imagine how much I blame Debian each time I have to type the full path /sbin/ifconfig as a non-root user on virtual servers to just know the IP address the DHCP server assigned to the machine.

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 08.08.2012 10:32, Holger Levsen wrote: On Mittwoch, 8. August 2012, Michael Stummvoll wrote: what exactly is the actually reason that a default normal user has ip in his PATH but not ifconfig (also route)? hysteric raisins. historic, rather. ifconfig and route were around already

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 04:28 PM, Alberto Fuentes wrote: On 08/08/2012 09:43 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Experienced users should be able to do this easily. And those who don't knwo what to do with the tools in */sbin/* probably don't want/need them in $PATH. I think the topic in here is good defaults

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 08.08.2012 12:11, Thomas Goirand wrote: Start using the right tool for the job (I mean: ip addr show), and stop blaming Debian. Using ifconfig by the way will show you only part of the information (eg: if there's more than one IP assign, ifconfig will not show it). ifconfig eth0

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: historic, rather. ifconfig and route were around already when everyone insisted on the separation of /bin and /sbin. /bin/ip is slightly newer and supposed to replace ifconfig/route some day entirely. Just for the records, iproute entirely replaced

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Sure, certainly true. But, assuming that we have a consensus that the distinction no longer matters and just causes extra work (something that I'm inclined to agree with but that I don't think we can assume we've decided on yet), I hate to see

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 03:16:59AM +0200, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Currently the default PATH for Debian does not include /sbin, /usr/sbin, nor /usr/local/sbin. If an user wants to run a program in either /sbin/ or /usr/sbin the full path must be specified. Changing the default PATH for normal

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread David Given
Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Exactly what do you need from sbin as a user? I use stuff from sbin as user all the time. A quick glance at /sbin shows these commands that I use on a regular basis: blkid fdisk all the fscks all the mkfss hdparm ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 08/08/2012 12:14 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 08/08/2012 04:28 PM, Alberto Fuentes wrote: On 08/08/2012 09:43 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Experienced users should be able to do this easily. And those who don't knwo what to do with the tools in */sbin/* probably don't want/need them in $PATH.

[OT] ifconfig(8)

2012-08-08 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it writes: On Aug 08, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: ifconfig and route were around already when everyone insisted on the separation of /bin and /sbin. /bin/ip is slightly newer and supposed to replace ifconfig/route some day entirely. Just for the records,

Re: [OT] ifconfig(8)

2012-08-08 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com writes: Curiously enough, ifconfig(8) shows RX/TX byte counts, and, somehow, I didn't manage to get a similar output from iproute. Any pointers? TIA. $ ip -s link show lo 1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN

Re: [OT] ifconfig(8)

2012-08-08 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes: Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com writes: Curiously enough, ifconfig(8) shows RX/TX byte counts, and, somehow, I didn't manage to get a similar output from iproute. Any pointers? TIA. $ ip -s link show lo 1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Gergely Nagy
David Given david.gi...@gmail.com writes: Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Exactly what do you need from sbin as a user? I use stuff from sbin as user all the time. A quick glance at /sbin shows these commands that I use on a regular basis: blkid fdisk all the fscks all the mkfss hdparm

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 08, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: historic, rather. ifconfig and route were around already when everyone insisted on the separation of /bin and /sbin. /bin/ip is slightly newer and supposed to replace ifconfig/route

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 06:21 PM, David Given wrote: ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip) This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip instead Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:26:27 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip instead It'd be terrible. Please don't even think of it, okay?

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 08/08/2012 12:59 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: But, you know what those commands do, and I think we can agree, that most - if not all - of them are quite close to being tools for the admin, even if they don't necessarily require root. A 'regular' user on a multi-user system will not likely need any

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:30:54PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:26:27 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit: I don't see any point in doing this as opposed to just moving everything from sbin into bin and making sbin a symlink to bin. Alone the pain to do so (and the complaints from traditionalists) should be enough to not do that. There’s also the “if I want to have a look at what

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Andrew Shadura has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 13:30: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:26:27 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 08:07 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: And BTW, ip command is harder to use and it rather should be in the category 'admin tool' than in the 'user tool'. That's the 2nd time we have someone writing this in this thread. However, ip is user accessible, while ifconfig isn't. So

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 07:16 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: 121 packages, too many to even think about getting rid of ifconfig in the short term... I agree. However, proposing to put ifconfig in a user accessible way, when it is in fact the wrong tool, is going backward, not forward. Thomas -- To

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-08 13:38:36 +0200, Alberto Fuentes wrote: [extra non usuful comments] Those commands without root permissions are not dangerous. ifconfig seems the most obvious that a non expert would want to run. ipconfig/ifconfig eth0 are easy to run/remember. ip addr show eth0 is not. ip has

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 12:22 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 08, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote: historic, rather. ifconfig and route were around already when everyone insisted on the separation of /bin and /sbin. /bin/ip is slightly newer and supposed to replace ifconfig/route some day

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ulrich Dangel
On 08/08/12 12:36, Adam Borowski wrote: Could you please tell me a single benefit from such a change? All I see are downsides. It would degrade tab completion and pollute the namespace. Access to programs without the need to specify the full path. Not all programs in the sbin directories

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 03:20:11PM +0200, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Not just ifconfig, there is also route, iwconfig, blkid etc. And moving them to other directories and add symlinks from sbin/$PROG to bin/$PROG is error prone. Normal users do not need to know or care about these tools. Only

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:32:30AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Mittwoch, 8. August 2012, Michael Stummvoll wrote: what exactly is the actually reason that a default normal user has ip in his PATH but not ifconfig (also route)? hysteric raisins. Funny expression :-) (ip a convinced

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-08 14:38:44 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: Normal users do not need to know or care about these tools. For some of them, they do. Normal users don't need most programs installed in /usr/bin, so let's split this directory? :) Only admins use them, or tools that set things up on behalf of

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: And ip is not standard (not present on every Linux systems), whereas I don't know any system without ifconfig. Then, what do you use to list multiple IPs on a single interface? ifconfig simply doesn't support it. IMHO, if there's distros with

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 09:20 PM, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Not all programs in the sbin directories require root privileges. Then they have nothing to do in sbin. I'm serious: *please file a bug* !!! :) It is about providing good defaults for users. Agreed. Which is why you should file a bug so

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ulrich Dangel
On 08/08/12 15:38, Roger Leigh wrote: The number of times I've wished e.g. blkid was in my path is... zero. What about iwconfig, ifconfig, route, modinfo, iw, fsck, mkfs.*, fsck, … It is not just about one tool or There are for examples two symlinks for lsmod to /bin/kmod (/sbin/lsmod and

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-08 22:01:37 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: And ip is not standard (not present on every Linux systems), whereas I don't know any system without ifconfig. Then, what do you use to list multiple IPs on a single interface? ifconfig

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 08.08.2012 16:01, Thomas Goirand wrote: IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro doesn't deserve much attention. The standard *is* ip, it's a much more powerful tool that does all you need (you can't say the same thing with ifconfig). If you do not use ip,

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:09:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 08/08/2012 09:20 PM, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Not all programs in the sbin directories require root privileges. Then they have nothing to do in sbin. I'm serious: *please file a bug* !!! :) I think you're conflating

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:40:42 +0100 Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: As a distribution we have to decide on a default, and that is ip. We took the effort to remove all use of ifconfig from ifupdown and other related tools for wheezy precisely to make it removable and optional, so

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Thomas Goirand has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 22:01: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: And ip is not standard (not present on every Linux systems), whereas I don't know any system without ifconfig. Then, what do you use to list multiple IPs on a single

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Stummvoll
ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 up ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.2 up ifconfig It does not list addresses you added with ip without adding a sub-interface, however. With respect to visibility, one might wonder if doing that that is a good idea after all. There are serval ways: - Some users prefer

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 04:26:54PM +0200, Arno Töll wrote: Hi, On 08.08.2012 16:01, Thomas Goirand wrote: IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro doesn't deserve much attention. The standard *is* ip, it's a much more powerful tool that does all you need (you

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 05:56:57PM +0300, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: Hello! Thomas Goirand has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 22:01: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: And ip is not standard (not present on every Linux systems), whereas I don't know any system without

Re: node-like file conflicts

2012-08-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org, 2012-08-07, 22:47: Does this include search across all components of standard $PATH Yes, modulo bugs (see my other message in this thread). and across all packages? Yes, on i386 and amd64. If you check kfreebsd-* there's also this one: ztest: zfsutils

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:02:13AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Isn't there something called FHS and which would be the thing to change first? Or aren't we sticking to the FHS anyway or just don't care? If we keep /sbin as a symlink to /bin, and

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Alberto Fuentes alberto.fuen...@qindel.com writes: I think the topic in here is good defaults for debian/more common case no if debian/users are able to handle such changes. :) I also add sbin to path as one the first steps after installation and i think is a good thing. Yes, likewise here.

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Ben Hutchings has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 16:24: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro doesn't deserve much attention. The standard *is* ip, it's a much more powerful tool that does all you

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes: There’s also the “if I want to have a look at what commands on the system are used for administering, I can just ls /sbin /usr/sbin” thing. Have you done this recently? I seriously doubt anyone is going to read through those 416 programs (on my system;

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:29:58PM +0300, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: Hello! Ben Hutchings has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 16:24: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro doesn't deserve much

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:28:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Yes, we could file bugs and go to the work of moving things and leaving symlinks behind to not break other things, but that's a lot of work. And it's ongoing work to keep things sorted into the right place. Whereas if we moved

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:25:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Also, FHS development seems to be effectively dead. We're already carrying a fairly large collection of exceptions. One more wouldn't make a tremendous difference as long as there's no major user behavior change, and the symlinks

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:25:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Also, FHS development seems to be effectively dead. We're already carrying a fairly large collection of exceptions. One more wouldn't make a tremendous difference as long as there's no major

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Harald Jenny
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: (Does anybody want to try removing net-tools and see what breaks?) On my debian systems net-tools are removed, had to recompile openvpn with ip support and run openswan from experimental without any problems since 4 months. Kind

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 09:15 CEST, Michael Stummvoll mich...@stummi.org : Moving ifconfig to /bin would break a lot of things calling `/sbin/ifconfig`. there could be a link for compatiblity If we start symlinking, a symlink from /sbin to /bin seems easier. Once we start a breach, we'll get more

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 09:43 CEST, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de : Currently the default PATH for Debian does not include /sbin, /usr/sbin, nor /usr/local/sbin. If an user wants to run a program in either /sbin/ or /usr/sbin the full path must be specified. Or the user just adds those directories

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 16:56 CEST, Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua : Then, what do you use to list multiple IPs on a single interface? ifconfig simply doesn't support it. In fact, I have multiple IPs on a single interface right now on the machine where I write this letter. And I never used

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 12:21 CEST, David Given david.gi...@gmail.com : ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip) All what is inside net-tools package is old and hardly maintained. arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0200 Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip maddr, mii-tool by ethtool, netstat by ss, nameif by ip link, iptunnel by ip tunnel. iproute and ethtool

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/08/2012 10:10 PM, Ulrich Dangel wrote: Many things are trivial but I think it would be best to ship good defaults in Debian. And have all programs available for tab completion without the need to specify sudo in front is in my opinion a good default. There is also a question how to

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2012 19:54 CEST, Andrew Shadura bugzi...@tut.by : arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip maddr, mii-tool by ethtool, netstat by ss, nameif by ip link, iptunnel by ip tunnel. iproute and ethtool packages are kept in sync

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0200 Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip maddr, mii-tool by ethtool, netstat by

Re: node-like file conflicts

2012-08-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 08.08.2012 17:53, Jakub Wilk wrote: ztest: zfsutils zutils Hum, thanks for spotting that, but what to do here? Both packages legitimately ship a ztest. Admittedly it is not very important for zfsutils, don't know about zutils. Having that said, lots of upstream tutorials and

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0200 Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip maddr, mii-tool by ethtool, netstat by ss, nameif by

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:08, Harald Jenny wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: (Does anybody want to try removing net-tools and see what breaks?) On my debian systems net-tools are removed, had to recompile openvpn with ip support and run openswan from

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Andrew Shadura wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0200 Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: arp can be replaced by ip neigh, ifconfig by ip addr or ip link, route by ip route, ipmaddr by ip maddr, mii-tool by ethtool, netstat by ss, nameif by ip link, iptunnel by ip

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Harald Jenny
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:08:24PM +0200, Milan P. Stanic wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:08, Harald Jenny wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: (Does anybody want to try removing net-tools and see what breaks?) On my debian systems net-tools are removed, had

Re: node-like file conflicts

2012-08-08 Thread Jarek Kamiński
Na grupie linux.debian.devel napisałe(a)ś: There might be even more if you assume that you can co-install Linux an= d kFreeBSD binaries (yay, multi-arch world!). They might be co-installable but not executable (for the time being). The Linux emulation layer which is featured by kFreeBSD only

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:22:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:25:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Also, FHS development seems to be effectively dead. We're already carrying a fairly large collection of exceptions. One more

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-08 22:09:27 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: What would be the point, for example, to have these accessible to the user: - depmod/insmod/etc. - swapon/swapoff - agetty - init - etc. One (perhaps minor) point would be to get basic documentation, e.g. depmod --help There is no

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 22:18, Harald Jenny wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:08:24PM +0200, Milan P. Stanic wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:08, Harald Jenny wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: (Does anybody want to try removing net-tools and see what

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 05:48:35PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:28:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Yes, we could file bugs and go to the work of moving things and leaving symlinks behind to not break other things, but that's a lot of work. And it's ongoing work to

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:53:24PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:22:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:25:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Also, FHS development seems to be effectively dead. We're

Re: node-like file conflicts

2012-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 22:21 +0200, Jarek Kamiński wrote: Na grupie linux.debian.devel napisałe(a)ś: There might be even more if you assume that you can co-install Linux an= d kFreeBSD binaries (yay, multi-arch world!). They might be co-installable but not executable (for the time

Bug#684347: ITP: system-storage-manager -- system storage management tool

2012-08-08 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org * Package name: system-storage-manager Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Lukas Czerner lczer...@redhat.com * URL : https://sourceforge.net/p/storagemanager/home/ * License : GPL-2+

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Lynn
On 08/08/12 12:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 08/08/2012 06:21 PM, David Given wrote: ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip) This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:28:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : Yes, we could file bugs and go to the work of moving things and leaving symlinks behind to not break other things, but that's a lot of work. And it's ongoing work to keep things sorted into the right place. Whereas if we

Accepted iso-codes 3.38-1 (source all)

2012-08-08 Thread Tobias Quathamer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:46:37 +0200 Source: iso-codes Binary: iso-codes Architecture: source all Version: 3.38-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Tobias Quathamer to...@debian.org Changed-By: Tobias Quathamer

Accepted scirenderer 0.5.6-1 (source all)

2012-08-08 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:38:54 +0200 Source: scirenderer Binary: libscirenderer-java libscirenderer-java-doc Architecture: source all Version: 0.5.6-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Science Team

Accepted nbd 1:3.2-1.1 (source i386)

2012-08-08 Thread Christian Perrier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:49:21 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:3.2-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted acpid 1:2.0.16-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Meskes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:55:33 +0200 Source: acpid Binary: acpid kacpimon Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:2.0.16-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Acpi Team pkg-acpi-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted pylucene 3.5.0-1.1 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Luca Falavigna
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:43:34 +0200 Source: pylucene Binary: python-lucene python-lucene-dbg pylucene Architecture: source amd64 Version: 3.5.0-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Dmitry Nezhevenko d...@dion.org.ua

Accepted tor 0.2.3.20-rc-1 (source all amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Palfrader
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:50:49 UTC Source: tor Binary: tor tor-dbg tor-geoipdb Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 0.2.3.20-rc-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org Changed-By: Peter

Accepted libaudio-tagger-perl 0.09-1 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:41:56 +0200 Source: libaudio-tagger-perl Binary: libaudio-tagger-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.09-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libauthen-krb5-simple-perl 0.43-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:56:22 +0200 Source: libauthen-krb5-simple-perl Binary: libauthen-krb5-simple-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.43-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libfile-libmagic-perl 0.96-3 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:53:59 +0200 Source: libfile-libmagic-perl Binary: libfile-libmagic-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.96-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libipc-sharelite-perl 0.17-3 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:00:05 +0200 Source: libipc-sharelite-perl Binary: libipc-sharelite-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.17-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libdata-structure-util-perl 0.15-3 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:01:22 +0200 Source: libdata-structure-util-perl Binary: libdata-structure-util-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.15-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libmath-tamuanova-perl 1.0.2-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:20:09 +0200 Source: libmath-tamuanova-perl Binary: libmath-tamuanova-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted prey 0.5.3-7.1 (source all)

2012-08-08 Thread Christian Perrier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:52:30 +0200 Source: prey Binary: prey Architecture: source all Version: 0.5.3-7.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org Changed-By: Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org

Accepted libopengl-xscreensaver-perl 0.04-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:38:36 +0200 Source: libopengl-xscreensaver-perl Binary: libopengl-xscreensaver-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.04-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libcrypt-dh-gmp-perl 0.00010-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:47:18 +0200 Source: libcrypt-dh-gmp-perl Binary: libcrypt-dh-gmp-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.00010-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libmath-bigint-gmp-perl 1.37-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:38:24 +0200 Source: libmath-bigint-gmp-perl Binary: libmath-bigint-gmp-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.37-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted libtext-hunspell-perl 2.03-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:53:45 +0200 Source: libtext-hunspell-perl Binary: libtext-hunspell-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.03-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted thailatex 0.5.0-2 (source all)

2012-08-08 Thread Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:31:22 +0700 Source: thailatex Binary: thailatex Architecture: source all Version: 0.5.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@debian.org Changed-By: Theppitak

Accepted qtcreator 2.5.0-2 (source all amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Felix Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:33:13 +0200 Source: qtcreator Binary: qtcreator qtcreator-dbg qtcreator-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 2.5.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers

Accepted libzeromq-perl 0.21-2 (source amd64)

2012-08-08 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:53:58 +0200 Source: libzeromq-perl Binary: libzeromq-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.21-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Perl Group pkg-perl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org

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