On 08/09/2012 11:43 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
As of DebianSqueeze, if you ask for the Desktop task during the
installation, that pulls in sudo with a default configuration that
automatically grants sudo-ing rights to any member of the sudo group.
Depending on what user accounts you
Hi Marco,
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it writes:
On Aug 10, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
In the case of OpenRC, it has the potential to be a drop-in replacement
for sysv-rc (note that it uses base sysvinit still underneath that).
So do the other init systems.
The point is what they
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-10 01:06]:
Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
écrit :
What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
work.
Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake
of
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-09 23:15]:
And no, choice between multiple broken implementation is NOT added
value. Linux is not about choice.
Luckily that is not everyones opinion.
Martin
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Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 09:23 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Please explain why adding another sysv-rc drop-in replacements cripples
the Linux port.
Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features such
as the init system only brings more bugs and no added value.
Dear Guys,
Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-10 10:12]:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 09:23 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Please explain why adding another sysv-rc drop-in replacements cripples
the Linux port.
Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features such
as the
On Aug 10, Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote:
Now that they've done the bulk of the effort, do you really expect them
to simply discard their work because you tell them to?
I really do not care about what the openrc developers will do, my
interest is in what Debian developers will do.
So,
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On Aug 10, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
And that really explains why there is a choice for core functions like
kernel event handler: udevd, hotplug2, mdev
c library: glibc, eglibc, dietlibc
They exist, and
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-08-10 11:27]:
On Aug 10, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
And that really explains why there is a choice for core functions like
kernel event handler: udevd, hotplug2, mdev
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 11:56 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
That we do no longer have glibc in the archive and we had a transition
to eglibc was an understandable maintainer decision.
glibc/eglibc is not comparable to the other alternatives, the
differences are extremely tiny.
How is
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
Debian is about the freedom to choose.
No, it is not.
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
Debian is about the freedom to choose.
No, it is not.
No, it is.
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On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org wrote:
Dear Guys,
Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 02:21:08PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
Debian is about the freedom to choose.
No, it is not.
No, it is.
No, it
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:03:19AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On 10/08/2012 08:04, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 01:16:17AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
Wasn't the idea of porting to non-Linux rejected by upstart's upstream?
Porting upstart to non-Linux kernels has never
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:55:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
There are two main issues with trying to support multiple init systems.
The first one is the time needed to do it. The second and more important
one is being limited by the features of the less capable implementation,
which would
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:50 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
écrit :
What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
work.
Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake
On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
Debian is about the freedom to choose.
[...]
No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically excellent operating
system that meets our users needs.
Developers
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically excellent
operating system that meets our users needs.
Developers need the freedom to *make* autonomous technical choices as
part of the process
Le samedi 11 août 2012 à 00:53 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin a écrit :
Declaring one area -- one chosen tool is declaring the monopoly in the
area. As with other monopolies, this often leads to vendor lock-in,
stagnation, stopping developing the standards. Have seen examples of all
that
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:54:24AM +0200, Alberto Fuentes wrote:
For the record and at least up to squeeze, you do have a sudo group
but you are *not* added to that group.
If you are using an empty root password during installation, you do get sudo
rights.
Kind regards
Philipp Kern
On 08/11/12 01:12, Russ Allbery wrote:
There are choices that we don't support because the process of supporting
that choice would involve far more work than benefit, and the final goal
is excellence, not choice for its own sake. For example, we don't allow
users to replace the system C
Faidon Liambotis parav...@debian.org writes:
On 08/11/12 01:12, Russ Allbery wrote:
There are choices that we don't support because the process of
supporting that choice would involve far more work than benefit, and
the final goal is excellence, not choice for its own sake. For
example, we
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:53:45AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
Debian is about the freedom to choose.
No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically
On 08/11/2012 05:53 AM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
Declaring one area -- one chosen tool is declaring the monopoly in the
area. As with other monopolies, this often leads to vendor lock-in,
stagnation, stopping developing the standards. Have seen examples of all
that occasionally.
Exactly!
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