Hi - please change the Subject: of the thread if the topic of conversation
has moved on. (We're all guilty of not doing this enough…)
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:07:29AM -0600, Kevin Toppins wrote:
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I realise your intentions are good, here, but please, it is not much help.
On 2012-11-21, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
suspect this is a bug that was fixed eons ago. I'd been meaning to try
Xfce since I make a personal policy of changing desktop environments every
few years -- I used to use GNUstep before GNOME 2 -- so I didn't bother to
pursue it further.)
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you were asking
for a freeze exception for
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Vincent Cheng vincentc1...@gmail.com
* Package name: mailnag
Version : 0.4.4
Upstream Author : Patrick Ulbrich zul...@gmx.net
* URL : https://github.com/pulb/mailnag
* License : GPL-2+
Programming Lang: Python
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for testing during the freeze.
So much for the general
Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes:
For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
Wrong. You can't have any recent systemd without the Journal, and
'legacy' syslogds are piggybacking on /run/systemd/journal/syslog,
Hi Dmitrijs,
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
This should be a standard interface via DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, because
dh_builddeb / dpkg-deb is not the only way to build compliant binary
packages.
Policy §4.9 explains:
Both binary-* targets should depend on the build target, or on the
appropriate
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for
Hi,
after following up with the discussion on MATE on this list, I think
we have a consens that there are many people who'd be in favor to
getting MATE into Debian.
As Debian Wheezy is already in the freeze, MATE won't undeniably be a
part of it. Even if we still weren't in the freeze, I still
* Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com, 2012-11-21, 01:48:
This should be a standard interface via DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, because
dh_builddeb / dpkg-deb is not the only way to build compliant binary
packages.
Policy §4.9 explains:
Both binary-* targets should depend on the build target, or on the
On 21/11/12 04:03, Michael Schmitt wrote:
It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a viable option.
Most definitely not for me, the local and remote folks I asked around
the globe. Don't get me wrong most of them could probably get along
with the fallback mode after some degree of
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:22:52AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I'd therefore like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me
to get MATE into Debian for Jessie.
As you know, there is already an effort to package MATE ongoing (at least
#658783). The purpose of ITPs is to
Alessio Treglia writes (Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host):
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins
with certain features.
Altough dillo doesn't support
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julien Cristau julien.cris...@logilab.fr
* Package name: python-hglib
Version : 0.3
Upstream Author : Idan Kamara, Matt Mackall
* URL : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-hglib/
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Programming Lang:
Quoting Ian Jackson (2012-11-21 13:40:35)
Alessio Treglia writes (Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host):
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins
with certain
Jonas Smedegaard writes (Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host):
It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been
applied to other names on the list in the past.
This is not some kind of hazing ritual where people have to persuade a
reluctant audience. I'm
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
desktop like gnome2.
It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a
Am Mittwoch, den 21.11.2012, 14:15 +0100 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
The panel (no free arranging of applets / starters;
This is by design. Please point me to a case where the new layout
mechanism doesn’t answer *real* user needs. OTOH being finally free of
absolute positioning means the end
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Don't get me wrong most of them could probably get along
with the fallback mode after some degree of tweaking, but they would
miss A LOT! Some examples? In no particular order: The complete
infrastructure under
Hello!
Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes:
For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
Wrong. You can't have any recent systemd without the
Regarding the GNOME vs. MATE etc., please read this recent post from Vincent:
http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2012/11/21/No-fallback-mode-in-GNOME-3.8%2C-future-of-gnome-panel
If people (the MATE people?) step in and maintain adjust the
gnome-panel, we won't have any problem for Jessie.
I will
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
I guess you are thinking that LV2 plugin packages would Recommend or
Depend on lv2-host ?
Yes, exactly.
But I don't think that's really helpful.
Perhaps lv2-host should specify something more definite, like
2012/11/21 Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua:
Hello!
Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes:
For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
Wrong.
Why tightening up rules? Policy =C2=A73.6 does not pretend packages
to meet= any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says
Sometimes there are severa= l packages which offer more-or-less the
same functionality. In this case, it'= s useful to define a virtual
package whose name
On 21 November 2012 22:51, Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org wrote:
Actually I receive lots of mails from users asking me questions like How
could
I find an exhaustive list of LV2 toys currently provided by Debian?, Does
the
X sequencer support LV2 plugins?. So, I think we'd do a good
Please stop top-posting.
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would
help improve the dependency resolution.
Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed,
making LV2 plugins packages
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:21:38 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
I kind of insist it being in jessie ;) And yes, that makes another good
point why the gnome3-fallback just can't feel like the real thing. It is
supposed to be for those users that 1.)
Hello!
Neil Williams has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 15:48:
However, if people choose to migrate to XFCE instead of GNOME3, then a
migration to a GNOME2-alike in Jessie isn't as hard but might still not
be wise. Who knows how XFCE will change with a bunch of new users
reporting
Norbert Preining, 2012-11-12 06:34+0100:
What I would like to have is:
* get rid of the above link, change it to a directory
* make packages that install the documentation in /usr/share/doc/texmf
rebuild and install it into the new dir /usr/share/texmf/doc
(around 20 packages)
* properly
Alessio Treglia writes (Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host):
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would
help improve the dependency resolution.
Although I'd agree
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:48:08PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
MATE will not be in Wheezy and staying on Squeeze until Jessie is released is
probably not suitable for most users.
It's quite likely that if MATE packages make it into Debian at all, they
will be provided in backports, so some
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been
applied to other names on the list in the past.
I don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of
existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they
Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org writes:
Why tightening up rules? Policy §3.6 does not pretend packages to meet
any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says Sometimes
there are several packages which offer more-or-less the same
functionality. In this case, it's useful to define
On 21/11/12 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote:
Without that, it's questionable whether the
virtual package serves any purpose, and indeed you'll find that the CD
ripping packages in Debian don't reference mp3-encoder
... and perhaps more tellingly, only one package Provides it, and that
package isn't
On 21 Nov 2012, at 17:27, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of
existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't
offer any sort of guaranteed interface, and therefore cannot be
meaningfully used in package
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sebastian Gibb sgibb.deb...@gmail.com
* Package name: r-cran-maldiquant
Version : 1.4
Upstream Author : Sebastian Gibb sgibb.deb...@gmail.com
* URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/MALDIquant/index.html
* License
Hi,
On Dienstag, 20. November 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
I am asking why, when I had a reason to do so, was not able to do a
source-only upload.
Is this a feature of dak, or a policy enforcement?
Both.
I'd argue that it's a bug in both.
BTW, can we have this as a release
Le mercredi, 21 novembre 2012 20.59:02, Holger Levsen a écrit :
Hi,
On Dienstag, 20. November 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
I am asking why, when I had a reason to do so, was not able to do a
source-only upload.
Is this a feature of dak, or a policy enforcement?
Both.
Sadly it is obvious from the rest of this message that you are not up
to speed on the topic here. If you want to usefully contribute to the
topic, at a very least you should familiarise yourself with the prior
threads about systemd to debian-devel. At a very, bare-minimum least.
It would then
Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua writes:
Hello!
Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes:
For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
Wrong. You
On 21.11.2012 23:26, Kevin Toppins wrote:
First off, I don't have a sysvinit agenda.
Apparently, you also have no clue what you are talking about.
Michael
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Hm, sorry for the lengthy mail.
TL;DR: GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 15:21 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
écrit :
Well, I can confirm Michael's
I’m not going to answer to all of your weird or unrelated claims, but
there’s one extremely relevant to your point of view.
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 16:26 -0600, Kevin Toppins a écrit :
Systemd is also presuming it knows how the daemons operate better than
the daemons know, and systemd
Also as you aren't the filer or owner of that ITP please make sure anything
you do is agreeable to the actual ITP owner.
I'm the current ITP owner, and an upstream MATE developer too. I alread talked
with Adrian some weeks ago and I would be happy to move MATE packaging on an
appropriate
Am 21.11.2012 03:23, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
as I see you, as a member of ctte, are kind of in favour of MATE for
jessie and not wheezy... :(
I have no opinion on MATE. I personally switched from GNOME 2 to Xfce on
the one system where I use an
Am 21.11.2012 05:06, schrieb Matt Zagrabelny:
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of
Kevin Toppins kevin.topp...@gmail.com writes:
Sadly it is obvious from the rest of this message that you are not up
to speed on the topic here. If you want to usefully contribute to the
topic, at a very least you should familiarise yourself with the prior
threads about systemd to debian-devel.
Am 21.11.2012 09:48, schrieb Jon Dowland:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
I read through some of the systemd man page and a little of the
original design document. I think I have a rough idea of what systemd
thinks it is. But I am not able to form a sound foundation from the
ideas systemd describes.
Am 21.11.2012 10:30, schrieb Neil Williams:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for testing
Am 21.11.2012 11:19, schrieb Marc Haber:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no
On 22.11.2012 04:49, Kevin Toppins wrote:
[ lots of non-sense snipped ]
reflection. I think we have a problem.
I think you have a problem. Please troll elsewhere.
Michael
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012, Kevin Toppins kevin.topp...@gmail.com wrote:
I respect that you are free to make up your mind, and I do not want
that fundamental freedom to go away. So I ask you, please, just give
this more than a passing thought.
I know that this is debian's list, but please just look
Hi Kevin,
There's honestly a mountain-load of crap here, so I'm going to snip most of them
out. It would be nice if you could keep the propaganda-like walls of text,
irrelevant examples, and disclaimers to the minimum.
On 22/11/2012 11:49, Kevin Toppins wrote:
[...]
- What role is systemd
Am 21.11.2012 14:15, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
desktop like gnome2.
It may be for you
Le 21/11/2012 17:48, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed,
making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-host
package would seriously help as it allows maintainers to avoid to fill
up Depends: fields with long and incomplete
Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012 à 07:21 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Now I see how that works for the gnome folks! *lol* Really, if the
general gnome attitude is all complaints are dumb and should be
ignored, what we do is the holly grail then...
Please read
Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:56:09 +0800 from Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org
- What role is systemd designed to facilitate?
An init daemon. But why don't you ask yourself -- what role(s) should an init
daemon play anyway?
Thank you.
Everyone raising a fuss and not many seeing the focus I am
On 20 November 2012 12:23, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
I am sorry, if I was not clear. I am aware of the last iteration,
but I am not enquiring about the default policy within debian as to
how we should upload by default.
I
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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:31:02 -0800
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:51:27 +0100
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