On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 07:52:16AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl [121127 16:32]:
So, what's the reason mbox is still the default in Debian?
Because it works and causes the smallest amount of problems
given all the other changes.
Like, locking issues,
On 11/28/2012 02:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
There is nothing in systemd's or udev's architecture that requires
having /usr mounted early.
That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
However, it's the opinion of the systemd
primary upstream authors that having /usr
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org (28/11/2012):
That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
Rules moved from /etc to /lib. Not to /usr.
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On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
However, it's the opinion of the systemd
primary upstream authors that having /usr on a separate fs is a bad idea
since there are tools that (primarily) some udev rules use, which live
on /usr.
Yeah, we all so his marvelous
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org (28/11/2012):
That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
Yes, the Debian package is OK and I assume it will continue to be. But
I
On 2012-11-28 11:47:38 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
Let's give it a test, this mail should be signed:
From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
If the signature is invalid, your setup is broken.
Even users of
On 11/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org (28/11/2012):
That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
Rules moved from /etc to /lib. Not to /usr.
Woops, my memory is
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On 2012-11-28 11:47:38 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
Let's give it a test, this mail should be signed:
From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
On 11/28/2012 08:46 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
Yes, the Debian package is OK and I assume it will continue to be. But
I believe Thomas was referring to the recently (udev 176) changed
upstream default. See e.g.
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/udev.html :
udev configuration
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless â gpg handles any âÿóÿýFrom â lines itself
in a
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On 11/28/2012 07:17 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
However, it's the opinion of the systemd
primary upstream authors that having /usr on a separate fs is a bad idea
since there are tools that (primarily) some udev rules
(Oops. Failed first time.)
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
reversible manner, using '- ' as the prefix.
The
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sebastien Maret sebastien.ma...@gmail.com
* Package name: gildas
Version : 201211c
Upstream Author : The gildas programmer team gil...@iram.fr
* URL : http://www.iram.fr/IRAMFR/GILDAS/gildas.html
* License : No problem
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:57PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
It is truth that there's a general movement inside RedHat to fuck-up
everything. You are right, I should have mention that more clearly :
it's not only about Lennart and systemd guys, and I should take the
blame for not
]] Bjørn Mork
The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
properly. Example configuration options to install things the
traditional way
On 11/28/2012 11:55 PM, Neil McGovern wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:57PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
It is truth that there's a general movement inside RedHat to fuck-up
everything. You are right, I should have mention that more clearly :
it's not only about Lennart and systemd guys,
I had a half-drafted message to the same effect, but deleted it
earlier. Thanks Neil for speaking up. I have to say Thomas, many
recent messages from you across many threads, mostly on -devel
but also elsewhere, have seemed to have very little in the way
of polite, constructive content, advancing
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:34:32PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
reversible
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:15:55AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
I actually don't really take it very seriously, it just helps
to waiting while things are building ... :)
I actually agree it's pointless (because it's very unlikely
that there will be any outcome), but I also find it fun.
I'm
* Jon Dowland j...@debian.org, 2012-11-28, 17:29:
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one
other little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider
and which makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines
itself in a reversible manner,
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
]] Bjørn Mork
The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
properly. Example configuration options to
On 11/29/2012 01:33 AM, Neil McGovern wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:15:55AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
I actually don't really take it very seriously, it just helps
to waiting while things are building ... :)
I actually agree it's pointless (because it's very unlikely
that there will be
The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
using mboxo? I indeed got 1, 1 and 2
On 28/11/12 15:34, Darren Salt wrote:
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
reversible manner, using '- ' as
* Simon McVittie s...@debian.org, 2012-11-28, 19:16:
If you don't restrict yourself to avoiding MIME, any piece of text (or
indeed any bytestring) becomes losslessly representable. In particular,
MUAs supporting quoted-printable and/or Base64 can avoid sending
messages matching /^From / by
]] Bjørn Mork
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
]] Bjørn Mork
The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
properly. Example
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de
* Package name: python-pampy
Version : 0.1.4
Upstream Author : Chris AtLee ch...@atlee.ca
* URL : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pam/0.1.4
* License : MIT
Programming Lang:
Darren Salt lists...@moreofthesa.me.uk writes:
(Oops. Failed first time.)
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:34:32PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
(Oops. Failed first time.)
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From '
I demand that Nikolaus Rath may or may not have written...
Darren Salt lists...@moreofthesa.me.uk writes:
[snip]
The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34
I demand that Jakub Wilk may or may not have written...
* Simon McVittie s...@debian.org, 2012-11-28, 19:16:
If you don't restrict yourself to avoiding MIME, any piece of text (or
indeed any bytestring) becomes losslessly representable. In particular,
MUAs supporting quoted-printable and/or
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 14:32 +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
# With the advent and now widespread adoption of the superior Maildir
# format over the past several years, the entire mbox family of
# mailbox formats is gradually becoming irrelevant, and of only
# historical interest.
Just
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
Even users of mboxo shouldn't even have a problem because in your
message the F of the From line is encoded in quoted-printable:
| =46rom blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
| From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
| From quux
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:55 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
using mboxo? I indeed got 1, 1 and 2 levels of quoting.
Depends... were you using his webmail? Then probably yes...
But it could have also been your local MUA (when you were
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 22:06 +, Darren Salt wrote:
It would make sense to have that enabled by default, and to ensure that all
software in Debian which produces MIME quoted-printable does this, or at
least can do this.
I agree... but let me add a few notes:
1) Most programs I know of (at
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:32 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
So, what's the reason mbox is still the default in Debian?
Among other gains, data loss because of mboxo would be gone.
Just posted some reasons[0] (but as I see now, some of them have already
been named by others...
But in general... I
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:16 +, Simon McVittie wrote:
* There are certain messages which are losslessly representable in SMTP
without using MIME, but not losslessly representable in mboxo format
without using MIME;
yes,... but of course MIME standards neither demand any quoted-printable
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Miriam Ruiz little_m...@yahoo.es
* Package name: pysiogame
Version : 0.4.0~beta
Upstream Author : Ireneusz Imiolek imiole...@googlemail.com
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysiogame/
* License : GPL3+
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
[…]
But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be
crucial for some people:
- wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use
small file systems block sizes...
Only as long as static mbox
I wouldn't put all my eggs in the same single file.
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On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:06 -0500, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
Darren Salt lists...@moreofthesa.me.uk writes:
(Oops. Failed first time.)
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes
On 29-11-12 01:43, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:55 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
using mboxo? I indeed got 1, 1 and 2 levels of quoting.
Depends... were you using his webmail? Then probably yes...
But
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 05:29:20PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
It was for me (Maildir)
Just rechecked, I'm wrong - the first line was quoted.
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