]] Uoti Urpala
But to the extent that we have to pick winners and
losers (and, to be clear, I think it's premature to do that for init
systems),
I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is
clearly the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before
it
]] Barry Warsaw
On Nov 29, 2012, at 03:40 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Plus, you have to sign a contributor's agreement with Canonical which leaves
a bad taste in my mouth. That shouldn't be the case with true free software,
should it?
In an ideal world maybe it shouldn't, but
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:26:56 +0100
Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st wrote:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st
* Package name: GNU Health
The package name cannot have a space, you'd need to change the name to
be something like
On 30/11/2012 16:46, Neil Williams wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:26:56 +0100
Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st wrote:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st
* Package name: GNU Health
The package name cannot have a space, you'd need to
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On 30/11/2012 16:46, Neil Williams wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:26:56 +0100
Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st wrote:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emilien Klein emilien+deb...@klein.st
* Package
2012/11/30 Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
[...]
Is it really not part of GNU? I see the URL being a subdomain of gnu.org:
[...]
* URL : http://health.gnu.org/
[...]
And from their webpage:
| Health is an
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
[...]
How much are these instruction set compatible with the classical m68k
processors? Would we be able to have an m68k port of Debian which runs
both on the original m68k CPUs and the ColdFire series?
AFAIK the ColdFire is nearly, but not quite, a strict
Again, I am constantly asking here what these reasons might be and yet
people always come with strawman arguments.
You should bother to read the answers to your question then :-)
I am using systemd on my laptop, i have a very default system configuration,
(except that i compile my own
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We are considering removing the following packages from testing as
they have unfixed RC bugs filed against them. The packages can be
found in the attached dd-list. The bugs that put them on this list
can be found in the removals file (also
Niels Thykier writes (Candidates for removal from testing (2012-11-30)):
We are considering removing the following packages from testing as
they have unfixed RC bugs filed against them. The packages can be
found in the attached dd-list. The bugs that put them on this list
can be found in the
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:19:22PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693522
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694048
I can't say anything about the fetchmail problem, but I just tried to
reproduce the problem you explained in #693522
# #692623
remove fossil/1:1.22.1-1
This is worrying because fossil is the vcs used by sqlite upstream.
It looks like fixing this would involve Packaging cson too. The
alternative of dumping cson into the fossil source tree is probably
not ideal.
Barak, have you looked at this at all
I can't say anything about the fetchmail problem, but I just tried to
reproduce the problem you explained in #693522 and it works on my
installation.
So we will probably need more input to debug this.
Please post on the bug what kind of test you want me to do.
I was just pointing out how
On 30/11/12 11:55, Niels Thykier wrote:
The packages have been selected based on the following criteria: *
The package had at least one RC bug without activity for the past
14 days.
...
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pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org gnome-dvb-daemon
(U)
I have no
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:19:22PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
I am using systemd on my laptop, i have a very default system configuration,
(except that i compile my own kernel to avoid initrd)…
^^
…if I, with a normal, standard desktop
On Nov 30, 2012, at 09:14 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
There's a significant difference whether your contractual counterpart is
somebody who has the public good or profits in the pockets of its owners
in mind.
In the abstract, the non-profit or for-profit status of an organization is
little
On 11/30/2012 07:49 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
And for me, the most annoying thing is the neverending circlejerk of
systemd bashing on a non-technical basis. If anyone of these people
would really take the time to read into the design rationales
So, basically, anyone who do not agree
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:51:24PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 11/30/2012 07:49 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
And for me, the most annoying thing is the neverending circlejerk of
systemd bashing on a non-technical basis. If anyone of these people
would really take the time to
On 11/30/2012 09:10 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
This thread was started by an anti-systemd poster
Since I started this thread, I guess you're talking about me.
I do not accept that you categorize me this way.
*No*, I'm not an anti-systemd guy. I believe that systemd
is nice, that it has very cool
Barak A. Pearlmutter writes (Re: Candidates for removal from testing
(2012-11-30)):
CSON is not used in the Debian build: the relevant source files can be
replaced by empty files and the fossil package will build fine. (They
cannot just be removed because make expects them.)
Ah. I think
On 30.11.2012 13:03, Simon McVittie wrote:
Suggested options include:
A) Consider the new ABI to be right. Recompile every package that
mentions the affected structs (including everything that
subclasses GstElement), unless it has already been compiled
against GLib 2.32 on every
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 06:12:14PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hi Harald,
Hi Adrian
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0100, Harald Jenny wrote:
I have tried systemd but as it does not support the Debian extensions to
cryptsetup (namely the crypttab keyscript parameter) it
Hi Russ
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:04:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Please, let's *stop talking about this*, apart from the much more
specific, straightforward, and *useful* discussion of what further work is
required to enable those who wish to do so to run systemd as their init
process
Thanks for the update!
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Hi again :-)
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:35:17PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I really think this is a case where personal experience is going to speak
louder than any possible argument, which is why I think the next step is
to make it simple and documented to switch init systems and see how it
On Vi, 30 nov 12, 17:47:20, Harald Jenny wrote:
Maybe some sort of mailing list could be dedicated to a discussion about
the actual usage of different init system so people may share their
experiences?
Do you mean some list other than debian-user?
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Hi Andrei
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 06:57:28PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 30 nov 12, 17:47:20, Harald Jenny wrote:
Maybe some sort of mailing list could be dedicated to a discussion about
the actual usage of different init system so people may share their
experiences?
Do you
Barak A. Pearlmutter writes (Re: Candidates for removal from testing
(2012-11-30)):
Good idea. Will add this info to the bug report.
Technically there are two bugs. 692623 is for the CSON not evil files
being derived files rather than truly original source, while 692624 is
for the not
Good idea. Will add this info to the bug report.
Technically there are two bugs. 692623 is for the CSON not evil files
being derived files rather than truly original source, while 692624 is
for the not evil license itself. The latter is already tagged
wheezy-ignore, while the former is causing
* Jon Dowland j...@debian.org [121130 16:06]:
I do not agree that reconfiguring your machine to avoid an initrd is a normal
standard desktop configuration. There's also several other things about your
setup which I would argue are not standard (see below)
Will Debian come by default with
On 11/30/2012 11:57 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Sorry, but if I remember correctly, it was you who came here to
discuss Gentoo-related problems on a Debian development list and who
admitted that he enjoyed starting flame wars because you were bored.
Honestly, you should remember that
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes:
No, you don't have the structure from the XML point of view.
I've seen this in production. We use XML? Check!
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 07:23:12PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Jon Dowland j...@debian.org [121130 16:06]:
I do not agree that reconfiguring your machine to avoid an initrd is a
normal
standard desktop configuration. There's also several other things about your
setup which I would
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 07:23:12PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Jon Dowland j...@debian.org [121130 16:06]:
I do not agree that reconfiguring your machine to avoid an initrd is a
normal
standard desktop configuration. There's also several other things about your
setup which I would
The patch for both of these bugs is to just replace
src/cson_amalgamation.{c,h}
by empty files in a +dfsg recombobulated upstream tarball.
I'll go ahead and do the machinations. Unless someone else does an NMU
first. A 0-day NMU. Which I totally wouldn't mind. Hint Hint.
On 30.11.2012 18:43, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 11/30/2012 11:57 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I never meant to start any redundant discussion about which init
system
is best. And, as Russ already pointed out, we're not going to make
that decision this time. So please, just leave it for
I do not agree that reconfiguring your machine to avoid an initrd is a
normal standard desktop configuration. There's also several other things
about your setup which I would argue are not standard (see below)
Well no but are you trying to argue that my problems are due to my kernel
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:32:46PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
Claiming that it will work for everyone and that
anyone not being able to name a problem existing now has no arguments
does not help.
Do System V Init or Upstart work in EVERY single use case?
Actually, all my
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 05:04:25PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Bjørn Mork
The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
properly.
On 30.11.2012 03:39, Steve Langasek wrote:
that's fine; I've been convinced myself that it's not reasonable to have a
system with /usr on a separate partition and expect that to work without an
initramfs, and think we *should* simplify our overall architecture rather
than continuing to put
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:42:07 +0100
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Version: 1.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:42:48 +0100
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Version: 0.9~exp1
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-dev-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:47:22 +0100
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Version: 2.0.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:55:14 +0100
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Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
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Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:56:47 +0100
Source: php-horde-browser
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Version: 2.0.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:58:47 +0100
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:59:44 +0100
Source: php-horde-cli
Binary: php-horde-cli
Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:09:05 +0100
Source: php-horde-compress
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:12:37 +0100
Source: php-horde-constraint
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Version: 1.0.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:14:17 +0100
Source: php-horde-controller
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Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:16:10 +0100
Source: php-horde-data
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:17:18 +0100
Source: php-horde-date
Binary: php-horde-date
Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:18:42 +0100
Source: php-horde-db
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:19:31 +0100
Source: php-horde-exception
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:21:25 +0100
Source: php-horde-group
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:23:35 +0100
Source: php-horde-history
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers pkg-horde-hack...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:25:06 +0100
Source: php-horde-icalendar
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:27:39 +0100
Source: php-horde-injector
Binary: php-horde-injector
Architecture: source all
Version: 2.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Horde Maintainers
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