Joss isn't the only one to blame. Could all please stop bashing each other (and
Joss) and stick back to technical arguments? (Saying I'm sorry privately to
each other for each ad hominem argument used in this thread would also help!)
I can clearly see what has provoked this reaction and I have
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:47:46AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
Note that such conversion to a sysv init script is not supposed to
provide all the features that upstart and systemd provide. Else
there would be no need to move to systemd or upstart in the first
place.
That is true, and I already
hi,
2013/5/23 Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org:
Joss isn't the only one to blame. Could all please stop bashing each other
(and Joss) and stick back to technical arguments? (Saying I'm sorry
privately to each other for each ad hominem argument used in this thread
would also help!)
I can
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 05/23/2013 01:45 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I understand it will be a pain for Ubuntu if Debian picks a different
init system. I don’t think this is relevant for the discussion, though.
It might be very relevant for many of us that our package works
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 07:16:18AM +0200, Zbigniew J??drzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Providing a conversion script which recreates all of systemd
functionality would basically mean reimplemting a big part of
systemd in shell. Providing an interpeter would man reimplementing
a big part of systemd in
On 23/05/13 at 12:28 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/22/2013 04:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
- Neither systemd nor upstart are likely to be ported to kfreebsd soon,
as they both rely on many Linux-specific features and interfaces.
Though it should be easy enough to port OpenRC to
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
- there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu
FWIW, there are a similar (if not more) number of systemd service files
we can look at and import from: Fedora, openSUSE, Arch and possibly a
few others too. (This I find to be a great
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Dear all,
Despite all the efforts from many people, it's still quite difficult to
get a fully functional Debian system on certain Apple hardware.
I have been looking for a team I could join to discuss and improve the
situation, but I could not
On 05/23/2013 06:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
* As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
contributors.
If you are tired of seeing the same arguments,
Personal insults is something you call arguments? You have a weird
method of discussion ...
don't post things which
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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:55:41AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 05/23/2013 06:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
contributors
How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e.
the minority of all
Hi,
I'm running wheezy with some packages from unstable.
The distro-info-data package in wheezy is outdated (0.11).
Running ubuntu-distro-info --devel will say that the distribution data is
outdated:
ubuntu-distro-info -d -f
ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated.
Please check for an
+++ Colin Watson [2013-05-22 22:55 +0100]:
* Append Debian- to the username, as in Debian-opensmtpd
This was used by Debian-exim and not a lot else that I ever heard of.
In my view this scheme rightly failed; plenty of simple system
monitoring tools (top, ps, and the like) truncate long
Hi Dennis,
On Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52, Dennis van Dok wrote:
I'm running wheezy with some packages from unstable.
The distro-info-data package in wheezy is outdated (0.11).
Sid has version 0.16, which is updated. The README suggests to include
wheezy-updates in the apt-sources, but there is
Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 11:43 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Did you include the stats for all projects systemd wants to replace as well?
For just one piece:
* busybox-syslogd
* dsyslog
* inetutils-syslogd
* rsyslog
* socklog-run
* syslog-ng-core
For the Xth time (with X becoming rather
On 05/23/2013 11:43 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
Did you include the stats for all projects systemd wants to replace as well?
For just one piece:
* busybox-syslogd
* dsyslog
* inetutils-syslogd
* rsyslog
* socklog-run
* syslog-ng-core
Well, how many of these are actually used in the real world?
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 15:05 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
There certainly have been cases of fd.o changes being dropped into Debian
without dealing with the integration questions. mime - .desktop is a prime
example of this. .desktop is clearly far superior - but that doesn't mean
it's
Steve Langasek writes (Re: Upstart kFreeBSD port for Debian):
This is interesting to know. Out of curiosity, if you don't intend to
license your patch under the Canonical CLA, what was your aim in doing this
port?
Perhaps the intent is a long-term fork. If someone wants to maintain
an open
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Debian systemd survey):
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 15:05 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
There certainly have been cases of fd.o changes being dropped into
Debian without dealing with the integration questions. mime -
.desktop is a prime example of this.
On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:17:43 +0200
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
So if your comment is a
fair critique of upstart proponents, then mine is an equally fair critique
of systemd proponents.
I’m not criticizing the fact that upstart comes from Ubuntu. I disagree
with the idea of
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:22:22PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it's just a response to the ongoing insulting by joss to
variouse participants on mailinglists. As usual he has a way of mailing
that i find disgusting.
I don't find yours to be much better.
You know why many projects
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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:11:55AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Also, post-raring, systemd is available in Ubuntu aswell, and in some
cases, you can check for systemd at runtime, needing no modification to
the package *at all*.
What's available in Ubuntu are the systemd dbus services, the
On May 23, 2013, at 02:17 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I’m not criticizing the fact that upstart comes from Ubuntu. I disagree
with the idea of having Ubuntu as the sole origin of innovation in the
project. It gives bad habits to both Debian and Ubuntu if the natural
thing to do to make things
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* Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org [2013-05-23 15:39]:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:22:22PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it's just a response to the ongoing insulting by joss to
variouse participants on mailinglists. As usual he has a way of mailing
that i find disgusting.
I don't
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:57 +0200, Matthias Klumpp
matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service
files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too.
Are those any better than init scripts shipped by upstream? How many
Debian
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 07:07:16PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service
files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too.
Are those any better than init scripts shipped by upstream? How many
Debian packages use
2013/5/23 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:57 +0200, Matthias Klumpp
matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service
files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too.
Are those any better
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(funny, talk without end about init systems, but not a single response
for a Debian native tool for a few days… and with funny, I meant sad)
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote:
I am just curious about the selection mechanism in apt(itude),
something has changed
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:55:41AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
don't post things which
have already been debunked as well. You are doing the very same thing
that you are complaining about: I already posted in this list the git
log stats, and Lennart owns more than 40% of all the
On Thu, 23 May 2013 19:34:09 +0200, Matthias Klumpp
matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
P.S: @all: Please keep in mind that systemd is not just an init
system, but contains many other bui?ding blocks to create an operating
system, e.g. journald to create better syslogs (it forwards messages
to
On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 05/23/2013 06:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
* As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
contributors.
If you are tired of seeing the same arguments,
Personal insults is something you call arguments? You have a
On 05/23/2013 03:15 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I have the (possibly wrong) impression that OpenRC is less advanced
technically than systemd and upstart, and lacks many of their advantages
For example, according to https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391945
which is linked from
On Thu 23 May 2013 12:50:00 Steve Langasek wrote:
78% is not a minority. But this isn't the statistic that gets
trotted out by people advocating for systemd; instead, they always
cherry-pick the statistics that paint it in the most favorable
light. Because systemd advocates are not trying to
Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at
once and so blatantly breaking the One job one tool principle that
has made our platform so successful is one major part of the
acceptance issues that systemd has in
Am Donnerstag, den 23.05.2013, 08:51 +0200 schrieb Bjoern Meier:
hi,
2013/5/23 Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org:
Joss isn't the only one to blame. Could all please stop bashing each
other (and Joss) and stick back to technical arguments? (Saying I'm
sorry privately to each other for each ad
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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at
once and so blatantly breaking the One job one tool principle that
has made our platform so
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 02:10:57PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 05/23/2013 11:43 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
Did you include the stats for all projects systemd wants to replace as well?
For just one piece:
* busybox-syslogd
* dsyslog
* inetutils-syslogd
* rsyslog
* socklog-run
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at
once and so blatantly breaking the One job
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 01:45:46AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
The Unix Way is to use separate processes
for separate tasks.
...and this is what systemd does! It's not like we have an
event-logger, hotkey-handling and
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 505 (new: 0)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 140 (new: 1)
Total number of packages
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 01:45:46AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
The Unix Way is to use separate processes
for separate tasks.
...and this is what systemd does! It's not like we
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
[...]
by people advocating for systemd; instead, they always cherry-pick the
statistics that paint it in the most favorable light. Because systemd
advocates are not trying to win on technology, they're trying to win on
marketing.
Please don't make
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