On 05/24/2013 01:20 AM, brian m. carlson wrote:
rsyslog is priority important and is the default syslog implementation
in Debian. It's also the default in Fedora. I think we can be
confident that it gets lots of real-world use.
I am fully aware of that. I was mainly talking about the other
On 05/24/2013 01:15 AM, brian m. carlson wrote:
I can use only parts of coreutils if I desire.
The same is true for systemd. Ubuntu is using parts of systemd
without actually using the daemon itself.
Also, coreutils does not
start services on startup that I do not need.
Aeh, what the heck
On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 04:21 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/23/2013 03:15 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I have the (possibly wrong) impression that OpenRC is less advanced
technically than systemd and upstart, and lacks many of their advantages
For example, according to
On Thu, 23 May 2013 23:18:04 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at
once and so blatantly breaking the One job one tool principle that
has made our platform so
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:50:00 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
Also worth noting:
~/systemd$ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' \
| xargs wc -l | tail -n1
149081 total
$ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' | xargs wc -l \
| tail
hi,
2013/5/23 Benjamin Drung bdr...@debian.org:
Am Donnerstag, den 23.05.2013, 08:51 +0200 schrieb Bjoern Meier:
hi,
2013/5/23 Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org:
Joss isn't the only one to blame. Could all please stop bashing each
other (and Joss) and stick back to technical arguments? (Saying
Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes:
Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart.
Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic
of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I think it
may not be mature enough yet.
A couple of years ago I was
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:22:12AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
Gentlemen,
This is well-worn territory on -devel. Please bear in mind the OP's wish
not to open this can of worms again.
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e.
the minority of all contributions are done by the original
author. 40% still means that 60% of the code
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:22:12AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
Ubuntu carries patches downstream to make logind work without systemd
but with upstart instead, but I don't think that doing that is a sane
solution.
Various GNOME code incorrectly checked for systemd-as-init before using
logind.
If
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:50:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
A large number of contributors to an *init system* is not
something that should be a goal in and of itself
Then
Furthermore, the statistics for systemd are themselves a distortion
isn't really relevant here, let's please not
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
I'm still not convinced. Don't trust the lies from Lennart, the git
clone tells the truth:
As a mostly lurker, I think there was already a request to be a bit more
polite on this mailing list. The is a big difference between
On 05/24/2013 02:19 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
What is the status of packaging OpenRC for Debian? Is there a group
doing that, is help needed?
Ok, if you ask...
Currently, the package can build and install, at least on Linux flavors
of Debian.
Once installed, it will unfortunately not
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:39:00PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote:
On 05/22/2013 04:50 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I went through the various init systems threads again during the last
few days. My understanding of the consensus so
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:11:55AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Also, post-raring, systemd is available in Ubuntu aswell, and in some
cases, you can check for systemd at runtime, needing no modification to
the package *at all*.
What's available in
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:55:41AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 05/23/2013 06:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
contributors
How on earth does that contradict with the fact that
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Thibaut Paumard thib...@debian.org wrote:
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Dear all,
Despite all the efforts from many people, it's still quite difficult to
get a fully functional Debian system on certain Apple hardware.
I have been
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Hi,
I've seen the Debconf '12 discussion on X.509 certificate stores[1]
and the Wiki page that came out of that discussion[2].
1.
http://www.irill.org/videos/debconf-12/895_X.509_Cert_Store_Discussion.mp4
2. http://wiki.debian.org/X.509
As far as
On 2013-05-24 02:16, brian m. carlson wrote:
Yes, systemd uses separate processes, but they are not independent.
They cannot be independently turned off. If I decide I do not want the
journal features, however useful others might think they are, I should
not have to resort to chmod and
On 23 May 2013 10:37, Ole Laursen o...@hardworking.dk wrote:
Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes:
Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart.
Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic
of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:29:27AM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
Blog posts are interesting to read, but at times I'd like to look up
reference manuals which are more than bear minimal man pages. Whilst
systemd ships manpages, the website has either incorrectly formatted
wiki-pages and/or
On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of
counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started
processes.
systemd uses cgroups to track which processes are part of this
service?, which means the services may be
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Le 24/05/2013 11:50, Vincent Cheng a écrit :
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Thibaut Paumard
thib...@debian.org wrote:
Dear all,
Despite all the efforts from many people, it's still quite
difficult to get a fully functional Debian system
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Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
Matthias wrote:
Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service
files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too.
Most? Really? Do you have stats for that?
Given the fact that
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Hi,
I would like to ask what would be general opinion to add functionality to
BTS to be able to blacklist[*] certain people from filling the bugs
directly.
There are few of them, some of them are trolls, some of them are just bug
machines, but it is tiresome to handle useless bugreports with no
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:40:19AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:50:00 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
Also worth noting:
~/systemd$ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' \
| xargs wc -l | tail -n1
149081 total
$ find . -name
Dmitrijs Ledkovs xnox at debian.org writes:
Also on technical merits although more philosophically, with Upstart you're
expressing yourself in an event-based DSL rather than writing configuration
files. It's pretty generic. But unfortunately, that means it's also not
entirely straightforward,
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:32:29PM +0200, Dennis van Dok wrote:
The point I'd like to raise is that the current model of CA
certificates seems to take an all-or-nothing approach: either a CA is
trusted (for whatever purpose) or not. For the IGTF CAs, this may not
be the right approach.
One of
On Fri, 24 May 2013, Ondřej Surý wrote:
I would like to ask what would be general opinion to add functionality
to BTS to be able to blacklist[*] certain people from filling the bugs
directly.
We actually already have this functionality, as the BTS uses procmail.
There are few of them, some
Hi,
I would like to ask what would be general opinion to add functionality to
BTS to be able to blacklist[*] certain people from filling the bugs
directly.
[...]
* - It doesn't have to be blacklist per se, it could be a queue which would
be viewed by some fresher minds, who still doesn't
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:29:07PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of
counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started
processes.
systemd uses cgroups to track which
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On 05/24/2013 04:15 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e.
the minority of all contributions are done by the original
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
I don't understand the OP's post in the first place. What did he need to
know that wasn't discussed before?
The opinions of all the people who have opinions but are uninterested in
wading through huge threads to express them, don't read debian-devel at
* Helmut Grohne:
* supervision/service restart/heartbeat
sysv simply does not provide this functionality.
Actually, it does, through /etc/inittab. But this capability is
rarely used.
Curiously, Fedora doesn't use systemd's service restart functionality
much, either. (By default, systemd
On 24-05-13 19:18, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:32:29PM +0200, Dennis van Dok wrote:
The point I'd like to raise is that the current model of CA
certificates seems to take an all-or-nothing approach: either a CA is
trusted (for whatever purpose) or not. For the IGTF CAs, this
2013/5/23 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de:
* stdout/stderr to syslog redirection
This is possibly implementable, but needs more than a line of shell.
In Solaris SMF each service has its own log file with SMF messages
*and* all stdout/stderr
pashev@bok:~$ find /var/log/svc/
/var/log/svc/
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On 24 May 2013 23:16, Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/5/23 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de:
* stdout/stderr to syslog redirection
This is possibly implementable, but needs more than a line of shell.
In Solaris SMF each service has its own log file with SMF messages
*and* all
On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 12:32 +0200, Dennis van Dok wrote:
The point I'd like to raise is that the current model of CA
certificates seems to take an all-or-nothing approach: either a CA is
trusted (for whatever purpose) or not. For the IGTF CAs, this may not
be the right approach.
I don't think
Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org writes:
Also on technical merits although more philosophically, with Upstart you're
expressing yourself in an event-based DSL rather than writing configuration
files. It's pretty generic. But unfortunately, that means it's also not
entirely straightforward,
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