Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (30/05/2013):
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
Sorry, what bugreport?
I do not consider backports.debian.org of same quality as
debian.org so am concerned by what you outline above, and would
like to (at the least) read up on the relevant discussion
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 01:44:12AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
I can't speak to other distributions, but in Debian, the systemd maintainers
are in no position to decide that Debian will agree to rewrite its
Focusing on position to decide seems less than constructive.
I
Le 30/05/2013 18:29, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:02 +0200, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
wrote:
Seems the solutions are very focussed on the assumption that things
cannot be changed. E.g. programs currently send email, so email it has
to be forever.
It is not a good idea
Jean-Christophe Dubacq jcduba...@free.fr writes:
And in my experience, email tends to be much more fragile than dbus.
The warm fuzzy feeling you get when you don't know there is a
problem...
How many times have I suddenly looked
at the queue of a computer that has been mis-configured and
Russ Allbery rra at debian.org writes:
[...]
This would *enable* users to install software from backports if it either
didn't exist in stable at all or if they explicitly requested it from
backports, but would not install such software by default.
Packages which, by the way, are not supported
Hello,
I'm trying to use some POSIX MQ on Debian.
I tried my code on Debian, FreeBSD and Cygwin, and it went well.
I encountered a problem on FreeBSD about the maximum priority, then I
searched about a fixed maximum, and I found MQ_PRIO_MAX.
On FreeBSD and Cygwin it works properly, but on Debian,
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 01:59:02PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
I can't speak to other distributions, but in Debian, the systemd maintainers
are in no position to decide that Debian will agree to rewrite its
system-level integration code (which works quite well already,
I meant more that:
-
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:26:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Of course it won't. Upstream and Red Hat have shown many times that
they just don't care.
I've already replied with various examples before refuting this.
--
Regards,
Olav
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:21:15 +0200
Fabrice Boissier fabrice.boiss...@gmail.com wrote:
macro MQ_PRIO_MAX.
How should I found MQ_PRIO_MAX correctly on Debian ?
Debian Squeeze (2.6.32-042stab076.8 #1 SMP Tue May 14
20:38:14 MSK 2013 x86_64),
So a linux kernel, the match is:
linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev already installed, and the file
/usr/include/linux/mqueue.h contains MQ_PRIO_MAX and the struct mq_attr.
But the structure mq_attr in /usr/include/linux/mqueue.h is in conflict
with the one declared in the /usr/include/mqueue.h (precisely in
/usr/include/bits/mqueue.h
Quoting Russ Allbery (2013-05-30 19:56:23)
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes:
On 30-05-13 19:29, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Maybe the best way forward is to have backports activated by
default
No.
If we're going down that route, we might as well give up on doing a
stable
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:42 AM, brian m. carlson
sand...@crustytoothpaste.net wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 04:04:47PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Cons:
- not all crypto libraries are equivalent; choosing one will exclude
some functionality provided by others
SEE compat layer
-
On 31 May 2013 20:19, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
Gnutls is really crappy about suid
see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00298.html
2+ years later or 2 Debian releases later, I would have hoped these issues
would be, somehow, magically, fixed by now
On Thu, 30 May 2013 23:25:15 +0300, Christian PERRIER
bubu...@debian.org wrote:
MTA on average people's desktop machine are point less. Is there
anyone who is *not* a Linux geek to deny this?
Non-Geeks are probably not aware that a system holds many packages of
software that expects to be able to
On Thu, 30 May 2013 20:25:12 -0400, Chris Knadle
chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote:
It's somewhat depressing when I ask for the person's email address and their
response is I don't email, and they ask me for my Facebook ID and my
response is I don't use Facebook. It's a cultural divide that ends
On Fri, 31 May 2013 08:41:56 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq
jcduba...@free.fr wrote:
Le 30/05/2013 18:29, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:56:02 +0200, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
wrote:
Seems the solutions are very focussed on the assumption that things
cannot be changed. E.g.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 04:12:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org writes:
I still use /etc/init.d/ start by habit and I find it convenient to
divert to systemd but I have no strong opinion on this. As long as
upstart jobs mask init scripts when booting, we
On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:59:09 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Get rid of some of that complexity because it is pointless (you'll find
that much of it is working around inadequacies in sysvinit).
On Thu, 30 May 2013 19:51:04 -0400, Chris Knadle
chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote:
For Exim, the one thing I would want to change would be to ship a
configuration that by default created an SSL certificate and enabled
MAIN_TLS_ENABLE to enable TLS SMTP transfers.
For e-mail coming in from other
Le jeudi 30 mai 2013 à 22:25 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Do you actually run a kernel other than Linux
Actually no, but it is a pleasure to see Debian move towards this
freedom with every new release.
I disagree with this claim. The wheezy release for kfreebsd is a joke,
and we should end
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 11:21 +0200, Fabrice Boissier wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to use some POSIX MQ on Debian.
I tried my code on Debian, FreeBSD and Cygwin, and it went well.
I encountered a problem on FreeBSD about the maximum priority, then I
searched about a fixed maximum, and I
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Matthew Bekkema mat8913...@gmail.com
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Upstream Author : Mike Parker aldac...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/aldacron/Derelict3
* License : Boost Software License
On 29/05/2013 19:05, Sylvestre Ledru wrote:
Hello,
With the recent setup of the parallel build infrastructure using clang
instead of gcc [1], I would like to start to report
bugs on packages failing to build with clang (with patches if possible).
The severity would be minor.
Of course, I
Helmut Grohne wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 01:44:12AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
I can't speak to other distributions, but in Debian, the systemd
maintainers
are in no position to decide that Debian will agree to rewrite its
Focusing on position to decide
2013/5/31 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 11:21 +0200, Fabrice Boissier wrote:
Hello,
[...]
This is not a support forum for Linux development. But as people have
already started giving you silly answers:
I previously searched... and nearly nobody uses POSIX MQ
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 02:08:01PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I disagree with this claim. The wheezy release for kfreebsd is a joke,
and we should end it with jessie unless there are real users.
What makes me other than a real user? Perhaps some users of Debian
are more equal^Wreal than
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 09:05:50PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
Do you actually run a kernel other than Linux and is anything other than
Linux usable? I can understand it is not nice, but feels like the other
options are bitrotting anyway.
Yes and yes. Wheezy kfreebsd amd64 is dandy for server
2013/5/31 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net:
Yes and yes. Wheezy kfreebsd amd64 is dandy for server and OK for some
minor graphical desktop stuff (opengl is not in a good state right now,
at least with nvidia hardware: nouveau is no-go due to not having kernel
support and proprietary won't
On May 31, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I'm sorry for the three kfreebsd users, but sometimes reality sucks.
Pretending that
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
Is there some material on wiki.d.o I can use (and if not can
somebody prepare it)?
What Tollef, you and Steve wrote.
As you can see, even you (asking this question) made a mistake. So I think
it would be a good to
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 08:53:07AM -0500, Jeff Epler wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I was just curious, not suggesting. I also asked this on an IRC channel
and
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
When the source of the configuration is debconf, we know exactly when
it changes and don't need anything like inotify to know when to rebuild
it.
Disagreed, one can change a debconf-generated file manually,
On 05/28/2013 02:37 PM, Helmut Grohne wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 09:13:44AM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote:
I would be quite happy to write service files for two (systemd, upstart) or
three (systemd, upstart, openrc) of those in all my packages[*], if it
stops the endless flamewar here. I would
On 31. 5. 2013, at 15:53, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I would happily support any non-linux kernel arch in form of integrating
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 05:10:31PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
Is there some material on wiki.d.o I can use (and if not can
somebody prepare it)?
What Tollef, you and Steve wrote.
As you can see, even you
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 05/28/2013 02:37 PM, Helmut Grohne wrote:
My major point here was precisely that you are *not* done with just
writing the service/job descriptions/scripts for all those init
systems. You'd likely have to patch every single daemon to enable the
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:12:38PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
On 31. 5. 2013, at 15:53, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:12:38PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
That doesn't mean the toys are not important (...all work and no
play...), they are, but they must not stop the inovation. And as we
have sacrificed niche architecture and made them non-release, we must
be also prepared to do the
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:19:27PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:42 AM, brian m. carlson
sand...@crustytoothpaste.net wrote:
NSS does not support TLS 1.2. Since RC4 is not used securely in TLS,
and the only other choice in TLS 1.1 and earlier is block ciphers
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:45:49PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote:
This
is more true for the socket activation API that systemd could have
reasonably adopted from upstart, but chose not to do.
Didn't systemd actually have a socket activation API before upstart? I
don't remember exactly, but
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 08:59 -0500, Jeff Epler wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 02:08:01PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I disagree with this claim. The wheezy release for kfreebsd is a joke,
and we should end it with jessie unless there are real users.
What makes me other than a real user?
Ah, sorry wrong book: Animal farm, by the same author George Orwell: :)
1984 is about big brother watching you. (of course both very recommended
these days)
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 21:06 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 08:59 -0500, Jeff Epler wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 16:33 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 31, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I'm sorry for the three
Hi,
At Mon, 20 May 2013 19:33:43 -0700,
Russ Allbery wrote:
Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes:
Perhaps, but I think we just lack better documentation and advice when
it comes to shared library handling in general.
There was an attempt by Junichi Uekawa (CCed) some time ago [L],
On 30/05/13 16:30, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2013/5/30 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it:
The /etc/ /lib/ /usr/lib/ split with files overriding each other,
invented because RPM systems do not prompt the user on package upgrades
and Red Hat does not support upgrading to the next major release.
Well,
Hi,
I have tried to rewrite php5-fpm init.d file for systemd and upstart and
ended up with:
cat php5-fpm.service EOF
[Unit]
Description=The PHP FastCGI Process Manager
After=syslog.target network.target
[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/php5-fpm.pid
ExecStartPre=sh -c 'if [ -n
Dear upstart developers,
debian-devel@l.d.o has been talking about socket activation interfaces.
The technical differences are nicely summarized:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 08:53:52PM +0200, Zbigniew J??drzejewski-Szmek wrote:
But chronology is less important then the technical differences between
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:44:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Upstream has changed the license to GPLv3. It has an additional
permission to negate any viral effects, but it only applies to
packages that include a configuration script generated by GNU
autoconf.
[...]
Here is
On Fri, 31 May 2013, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:44:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Upstream has changed the license to GPLv3. It has an additional
permission to negate any viral effects, but it only applies to
packages that include a configuration script
On 2013-05-31 14:44, Ondřej Surý wrote:
Hi,
I have tried to rewrite php5-fpm init.d file for systemd and upstart
and ended up with:
cat php5-fpm.service EOF
[Unit]
Description=The PHP FastCGI Process Manager
After=syslog.target network.target
[Service]
Type=forking
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:44:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Upstream has changed the license to GPLv3. It has an additional
permission to negate any viral effects, but it only applies to
packages that include a configuration script
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@hmh.eng.br, 2013-05-31, 18:44:
As a special exception to the GNU General Public License, if you
distribute this file as part of a program that contains a configuration
script generated by Autoconf, you may include it under the same
distribution terms that you
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes:
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@hmh.eng.br, 2013-05-31, 18:44:
As a special exception to the GNU General Public License, if you
distribute this file as part of a program that contains a configuration
script generated by Autoconf, you may include it under
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 07:22:37PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 06:44:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Upstream has changed the license to GPLv3. It has an additional
permission to negate any
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013, Jakub Wilk wrote:
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@hmh.eng.br, 2013-05-31, 18:44:
As a special exception to the GNU General Public License, if you
distribute this file as part of a program that contains a
configuration script generated by Autoconf, you may include it
Hi Ondřej,
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:44:53PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
I have tried to rewrite php5-fpm init.d file for systemd and upstart and
ended up with:
cat php5-fpm.service EOF
[Unit]
Description=The PHP FastCGI Process Manager
After=syslog.target network.target
[Service]
Hi Sylvestre,
[...]
I started to report them (with patches for now) with minor as severity:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=clang-ftbfs;users=pkg-llvm-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
You might want to take a look at
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* License
On 05/31/2013 04:39 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
Practical question: if I were to support systemd .service, upstart init job
and/or OpenRC whatever
FYI, you meant to write OpenRC runscripts. :)
On 05/31/2013 05:00 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
If I understand correctly, OpenRC doesn't require init to
On Fri, 31.05.13 23:31, Helmut Grohne (hel...@subdivi.de) wrote:
debian-devel@l.d.o has been talking about socket activation interfaces.
The technical differences are nicely summarized:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 08:53:52PM +0200, Zbigniew J??drzejewski-Szmek wrote:
But chronology is less
Hello,
I am just checking out Debian 7.0 for the first time and so far I
overall like it. Among other things, its sleek, I like the colour
scheme, its completely open source, stable, and I have so far not been
effected by a bug.
There are a few things I don't like about it though, that I
Thank you for your feedback!
Nikolas Kallis n...@nikolaskallis.com writes:
Another thing I am pissed off about is the lack of a graphical
text-editor being included in Debian 7.0. The last time I checked, my
calendar said 2013, and as so, would not expect a text-editor not being
included in
On 06/01/2013 01:06 AM, Nikolas Kallis wrote:
Another thing I am pissed off about is the lack of a graphical
text-editor being included in Debian 7.0. The last time I checked, my
calendar said 2013, and as so, would not expect a text-editor not
being included in a desktop-environment based
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