Re: Stephen Frost MIA?

2005-11-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
that is on topic (or at least relevant) to Debian development spam? Everything on -devel is spam these days, didn't you get the memo? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
it that cheap for my day job. What we have to pay to get useful bandwidth has more zeros in it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 09:56:27AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 12/19/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:27:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Steinar H. Gunderson: My comments are about the same as on IRC: - Disk space is cheap

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
a pumpking, because dogpiling creates lousy software. For Debian this would be cumbersome and unwieldy as a rule, but some high-importance tasks could benefit from it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:43:34AM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 08:38 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian developer, who would be the buck

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian developer, who would be the buck stops here guy for that package

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
won't necessarily be stable anymore. (and, once more, and much worse: network interfaces need a solution to the same problem...) nameif, ifrename - really, this problem has been solved so many times that it's just not funny any more. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: APT public key updates?

2006-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
a conservative estimate. To defend against ancillary attacks (like somebody grabbing a copy of the key from ftp-master) you need to know how probable they are, and reduce these figures accordingly. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
to work *all the time*. Just ask the BTS admins what happens when somebody scans http://bugs.debian.org/ to collect data. Oh, and hey - when SuSE are doing better than you at publishing the tools they use, it's a hint that maybe you suck. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: Powerfulness (was: tioga : a powerful plotting system in ruby)

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:19:42PM -0500, Frans Jessop wrote: Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing. Do you

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
to even try it. Perhaps you do? And hey, if you can do all that, can you also solve th psky little problem of global hunger? And get rid of vi while you are doing so? And the SARS thing, and avian flu, and all that? And I want a pony. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:44:57AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:39, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
not affect us. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Canonical's business model

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
sure there are worse crimes-- Granny Weatherwax: But they starts with thinking about people as things -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
substitute for respect. If you're being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you a liar. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
for their continual, offensive PR effort claiming otherwise. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: I don't[sic] the same rant over others Debian related companies Have you ever actually subscribed to any Debian mailing lists? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
software? I think it's the pretending that pisses people off. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: I don't[sic] the same rant over others Debian related companies Have you ever actually subscribed to any

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:49:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo

Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've yet

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
could just manually exclude those few big offenders, but if you're going to do that then what's the point? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
this. If they fail to contribute in a meaningful way, it just means more work for them (in trying to maintain a diverging fork). Hence, that's their problem. It's not really a problem for us. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:11:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packages

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
as 'part of the Debian world'. We have very little interaction with any of them. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
we should cooperate better so that we can do Ubuntu's work for them? The arrogance of such a statement is only surpassed by its inanity. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for people who can't understand sarcasm? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:55:14PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote: That's simply wrong given the many people who use both and who cares about both. By this reasoning, Windows is 'part of the Debian world'. I hope you didn't expect anybody

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:20:40PM +0200, Sami Haahtinen wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for people who can't understand sarcasm? I read the part about sarcasm and i partially argee with you. But i'm with Andreas here. Your post

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
vendetta. Again. Oh, and that would be 'incitement to cause harm', which is a criminal offense these days. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
was? Alternatively, what do you think is the correct mailing list for contacting (all of) the developers about appropriate use of d-d-a? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:24:06PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the first crass stunt you've pulled by any means, and you

Re: Caching Proxy for apt-get via http?

2001-05-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:54:17AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: Does anybody out there know what is the problem here? Maybe its the failure of Apache. What are your suggestions for running a cache for apt-get? Umm... how about apt-proxy? -- Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#111386: ITP: mangoquest -- Pacman meets Doom

2001-09-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
with GL. (Level editor included) -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `-http://www.debian.org/ | London, UK pgpqYfXCZlrSI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
/.../debian/tmp and then /. Read the fakeroot manpage for an explanation of why fakeroot does not wrap open(). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
. But then, you're fucked anyway. Note that this includes doing various stupid things with versioned symbols. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
that which unfortuneately has been orphaned? If nobody is willing to take responsibility for it, we want to get rid of it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 04:01:28PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:34:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [...] mnogosearch Again, several alternatives. search.d.o is using it, IIRC it was the only search engine able to index foreign languages found on www.d.o

Re: Some questions about Debian developers

2003-04-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 06:56:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip People who don't use their real names are either too stupid or too embarrassed by what they are saying. Either way, reading the mail they send merely wastes valuable seconds. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew

Re: Maintainers with excessive old RC bugs

2003-04-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:21:48AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: If you don't understand why you are on this list, use the maintainer address query on http://bugs.debian.org/ and look for old RC bugs. If you still don't understand, mail me

Re: Maintainers with excessive old RC bugs

2003-04-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jules Bean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Scott M Dier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) James R Van Zandt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mikael Andersson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Klaus Knopper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing

Re: Maintainers with excessive old RC bugs

2003-04-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:22:45PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: And introduces the people who adopted the offending packages: Martin Butterweck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Or not; I edited him out manually (pingus, which is orphaned and being adopted very slowly) the first time around and forgot

Re: Maintainers with excessive old RC bugs

2003-04-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 08:31:16AM +0100, Mark Howard wrote: On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 08:44, Andrew Suffield wrote: This is a sorted (worst offenders first) list of maintainers who have excessive numbers of old RC bugs open against their packages. Great work... Just wish I wasn't

Re: Bug#189347: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
and defaults. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpmhLO41HmQT.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgphMM5Ly7Ruo.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:28:13AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:05:33AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]: On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
hundred kb of storage is not likely to bother you much. Certainly doesn't bother me. [As a side note, this implies that bloat is a context-sensitive term, and not an absolute - much like fast.] -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpKB0ytYttoK.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
a dick. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpQfP38nhmy0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 06:54:42AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: It is really a question of, do you respect the authors? Not much, after that lengthly diatribe which *still* fails to clearly state what the perceived problem is. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http

Re: multiarchitecture binaries - technical obstacles?

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
as x86. This Cross-compiling is almost invariably *vastly* less stable than native compilation. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London

Re: multiarchitecture binaries - technical obstacles?

2003-04-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
of the issues or interest in making it work? Nobody has yet, probably because native compilation works just fine. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpmF5MQLLh5i.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
(i586). I vaguely recall something similar about the i586. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpGGQSuO4gzE.pgp Description

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
(zero-sized replies). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgp3C912GkzJX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
fun. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpDxIcyo6AJZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

2003-06-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: postrm::downgrade?

2003-07-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
database to a new format version is a good example. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpgBaVXGN71D.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
system. Then no warnings are necessary. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpW7OSzuLXYv.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
free non-software things into the archive, since it doesn't matter very much. Why does anybody think that allowing non-free non-software things into the archive is acceptable? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
principles, perhaps. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpv9xNnOeo1L.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:14PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. Where do you draw the line between software, data

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
to gratuitously break compatibility, that sounds like a good idea. and do not include new version ? Why wouldn't you include the new version as well? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
enough to make their software free but their documentation very non-free. This is precisely the scenario we are currently discussing. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:18:10AM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote: On Friday 04 July 2003 01:52, Andrew Suffield wrote: What do you propose ? Do you think Debian must keep old version of stunnel (3.x) for compatibility Given how it sounds like upstream are completely incompetent

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
it differ from software? Most of us don't bother, this is just the standard response to documentation isn't software so doesn't have to follow the DFSG. If you want to call it software, that's fine; we know what to do with software. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
, kindly piss off. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpwvtnnuYDOb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
disagreeing with you. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpQMUHlTVjdD.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
discussions about the subject in debian-legal. This claims the GNU FDL is acceptable, so it's worse than useless. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:47:32PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: people to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-common.en.html. This claims the GNU FDL is acceptable, so it's worse than useless. It claims that GNU FDL sans cover texts and invariant sections

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:47:19PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:43:10PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: You have some free software, and it comes with a manual. Your counter example does not apply to IETF Standards documentation. It is not software. Then we have

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:30:47PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:36:13PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Bullshit. It is common for RFCs to be revised over time, and formulated into new documents. This license prohibits agencies other than the IETF from revising

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
. Any arguments you may care to make in favour of non-modifiable things will apply equally to software. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
probably doesn't change the network traffic, but will slow dpkg-deb down on packages with large directories in them. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:28:07PM +0200, Koblinger Egmont wrote: On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: It should put them in the package in the order they came from readdir(), which will depend on the filesystem. This is normally the order in which they were created, and should

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 05:48:24PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:12:03PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:28:07PM +0200, Koblinger Egmont wrote: Yes, when saying random order I obviously ment in the order readdir() returns them. It's random

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:28:09PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:36:34PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 05:48:24PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Err, no. If the htree (hash tree) indexing feature is turned on for ext2 or ext3 filesystems

Re: NEWS.Debian support is here

2003-07-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
was JOKING... wasn't he? Who can tell? Let's kill him anyway. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpJIIkQk5PiN.pgp Description

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
impossible to get the things removed. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpnxKlZg4btQ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:32:01AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 11-Jul-03, 02:21 (CDT), Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it's damn near impossible to get the things removed. Huh? Submit a bug report against ftp.debian.org, and ask that the package be removed. What's

Re: the RFC mess: tentative summary

2003-07-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
it looks for. Requiring clear identification of changes, and Changing the name, are OK. Putting constraints on how this is to be done, like requiring a filename change, is not. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing

Re: the RFC mess: tentative summary

2003-07-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:48:27PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:03:22PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:17:50PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: Answer 1: Nobody asked the right to change the content of the file RFC23423.txt

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
and wonder whether they had any idea what the job involved. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | pgpjrK87iQNB8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: mplayer 0.90, was Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
even knows. At least, I've never seen a study of it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | pgpN2Ns3W4u8l.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: mplayer 0.90, was Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:50:00AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:18:22AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Well, when the glibc people had this discussion (the switch to ELF), the performance penalty was found to be on the order of 5

Re: should bugs really be closed?

2003-07-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
. That does make a certain amount of sense. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | pgp0OrX5tlfE8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: should bugs really be closed?

2003-07-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:59:33PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: what interest does Debian have in keeping these bugs open? The obvious reason is so that there's a list of known issues with the package. Users might find this a valuable resource. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew

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