Re: (fwd) make tar*-pkg considered dangerous

2012-09-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
ncluding lib/{modules,firmware} in the tarball, not lib. A quick experiment under F16 (tar 1.26) supports this. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To

Re: question about section and name of a manpage

2012-09-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
I put this manpage ? (7 ?) > Note that I do not want to describe the API of the library. [...] I think section 7 is right for overview documentation like this. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Handling /etc/modprobe.d and module load order

2012-09-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
's updated. Perhaps initramfs-tools should have a file trigger for it, though. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered an expert. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Handling /etc/modprobe.d and module load order

2012-09-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 21:47 +, Amit wrote: > Ben Hutchings decadent.org.uk> writes: > > [snip] > > > > 1. I am currently using dh_installmodules to install package.modprobe. > > > However, I noticed that the automated debhelper commands in > >

Re: packaging a tiny/trivial blob in a DFSG-clean way?

2012-09-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
I cannot think of any examples right now, but I remember having this > same conversation on debian-devel@ at least twice. firmware-free (which doesn't even have the debian/rules target, but I'll look into it if the sources ever do change). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Logic doesn't apply to the real world. - Marvin Minsky signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Handling /etc/modprobe.d and module load order

2012-09-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:46 +, Amit wrote: > Ben Hutchings decadent.org.uk> writes: > > > > > > > Trying to load usbhid and passing a quirks parameter so that it ignores > > > a specific device. Then, I have my own kernel module to control that > &

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
ng a native build. (It should preferably be fixed upstream, to benefit users who build from either Debian or upstream source on a 32/64 environment. But I don't know a simple way to find the 'primary userland architecture' that is

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
ces, and programs may expect to find information about them under sysfs. If you're concerned about leaking sensitive information to untrusted processes then procfs is a far, far bigger problem (somewhat mitigated by hidepid or pid namespaces). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, a

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 23:06 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:07:57PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:26:24PM +0100, peter green wrote: > > > Some time ago I found that a package (I think it was openjdk but I > > > don

Re: nacl and CPU frequency.

2012-09-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
d to either (1) make it defer this to run-time or (2) force the decision at build-time, and be conservative. (In general, userland packages in testing/unstable should not depend on kernel features that aren't in the official kernel packages in stable, as this can cause breakage during upgrades.) B

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
d some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default > > compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was > > -- Ben Hutchings Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered an expert. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-dev

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
debian-devel is not the YouTube comment box. Please only post while sober, and using complete English sentences. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered an expert. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
ed in Ubuntu, but… there never was an > evaluation of shells. [...] Because it's our very own tiny shell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered an expert. signature.asc Description: Th

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh

2013-05-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
reat success with the GNU project. This is independent of the Hurd kernel. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-re

Re: "Blacklists" in BTS (stopping the trolls and bug machines)

2013-05-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
; Just pushing and pushing and pushing his opinions: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639230 > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658208 (Thanks Thijs > for handling the most of this bug.) [...] Yes, I think we can do without his bug reports. Ben.

Accurate diagnostics

2013-05-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
a bug the reponse will be 'why did you ignore that?!' We should be careful to give accurate diagnostic messages; otherwise we will train users to ignore them. And that can certainly lead to data loss. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old ones. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
see the messages. (For what it's worth, I'm quite happy to receive notifications by mail and I configure forwarding to a smarthost, but it's currently not as easy as it should be to do that and make it secure.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring

Re: How to check for other init systems from sysvinit script

2013-05-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
ipt should run in the same way it does now. > Is there some material on wiki.d.o I can use (and if not can > somebody prepare it)? What is there to write? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquirin

Re: How to check for other init systems from sysvinit script

2013-05-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:00:40PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:39:55PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > Practical question: if I were to support systemd .service, upstart > >

Re: Ubuntu and Plymouth

2013-05-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
r a new thread. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe&q

Re: Can't find MQ_PRIO_MAX in include

2013-05-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
SIX, you cannot assume this macro (or any such constant limit) is defined, and must use sysconf(_SC_MQ_PRIO_MAX) at run-time if it is not. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If at first you don't succeed, you're doing about average. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: How to check for other init systems from sysvinit script

2013-05-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 05:10:31PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > Is there some material on wiki.d.o I can use (and if not can > > > somebody prepare it)? > > > > What Tollef, you and Steve wrote. &

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
for all the non-Linux kernels to be supported through debian-ports, allowing porters to apply kernel- specific workaround patches, drop unsupportable packages, and release on their own schedule. There is a risk, of course, that this results in continuing divergence if patches don't get fed

Re: default MTA

2013-06-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
did I correctly enable validation of the smarthost's server certificate? Not sure.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings You can't have everything. Where would you put it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Default desktop for jessie Was: Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant ...

2013-06-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
oice, but it was totally unmanageable. > How many window-user know that they could replace explorer.exe, > Gina.dll? If you are really into "having a choice", then you must give > the choice and not make it. It is absolutely the responsibility of a distribution to choose good

Re: Default desktop for jessie Was: Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant ...

2013-06-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
ll they choose when prompted to do so? Maybe they will go and do the research when they reach that point in the installer, or maybe they will try a different distribution whose installer JFDI. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of

Re: x32 “half” arrived… now what?

2013-06-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
This means > > that this problem will bite us the next time another 32 bit arch comes, > > so there's no excuse to use this as an argument against x32. > > > And I'd say there's no excuse to introduce new 32bit archs, so I'm > hoping there won'

Re: x32 "half"arrived... now what?

2013-06-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
at, > such as the mktime test from gnulib. That is not software in practice, that is an incorrect test case. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Theory and practice are closer in theory than in practice. - John Levine, moderator of comp.compilers signature.asc Description:

Re: x32 “half” arrived… now what?

2013-06-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
s no excuse to use this as an argument against x32. > > Would a better solution not have been to make long 64 bits? This is a > perfectly reasonable thing to do on a 32 bit arch, it would avoid the above > problem and since the widespread adoption of 64 bit systems most of the > ca

Re: cc65 in non-free

2013-06-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
non-free section? This is fine for the non-free section. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production: A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#712539: ITP: encuentro -- Access the content of the Encuentro channel, and others

2013-06-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
ic downloader/viewer programs endorsed by the operators of the service that they work with? If not, is there not a risk of trademark infringement by including the service name in the program and package names? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
reason is compatibility with Windows on a dual-boot system. But it will still get screwed up if Linux does the DST adjustment. EFI apparently records the current time zone offset of the RTC, which would allow this to be fixed, but I don't think that Linux pays any attention to that yet. Ben. -- Ben Hu

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:39:11PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:56:26PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:12:37AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > [...] > > > The *only* argument for using local time in the system clo

Re: Berkeley DB 6.0 license change to AGPLv3

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
nse when you remember > that the AGPLv3 is not compatable with the GPLv2 > > I'm still against removing it from the archive. But the new version should not build the default libdb-dev, as that is likely to result in unintended GPLv2/v3 combinations that cannot be distributed. Ben.

Re: Berkeley DB 6.0 license change to AGPLv3

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
ost all common licences except GPLv2 (though that might not be true with the additional conditions of AGPLv3). If anyone has made a decision to use GPLv2-only then I wouldn't expect them to relicense for this. Therefore a BSD-licensed libdb is still needed. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Life

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
urd will remain, and > Linux will be several years back of course. Anybody has an idea on how > old Linux kernel will remain? Comments, ideas, any takers? Criticism I > assume will be plenty. Maybe even FSF might help here. > > Have a nice day:) You're slipping. Your trolling us

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
coordinator; that's all. And they can be quite experimental, which is OK so long as the project in general recognises that. Neither do John or Marco speak for Debian, so nothing has been discarded yet. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: how can we help DSA save money (was: bits from the DPL - June 2013)

2013-07-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
gt; could we save DSA some money? I can't understand how you expect to save money on hardware by applying 'more Debian'. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bridge burning

2013-07-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
rfectly valid question, and had their thread locked despite them not > breaking any rules. [...] It's trolling, and I think you're trolling too. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings All extremists should be taken out and shot. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: /etc/hosts and resolving of the local host/domainname - 127.0.0.1 vs. 127.0.1.1

2013-07-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
either immediately close remote connections after accepting them (e.g. using tcp-wrappers) or bind to device 'lo'. Both or which are more complex to implement and configure. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Missing makefile

2013-07-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
mymodule.o > KVERSION = $(shell uname -r) > all: > make -C /lib/modules/$(KVERSION)/build M-$(PWD) modules [...] You typed 'M-' instead of 'M='. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Missing makefile

2013-07-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/31/2013 4:39 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 23:05 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> Hi, all, > >> > >> I hope this is the right list. > >> > >> I'm trying

Re: Missing makefile

2013-07-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
otherwise we would have hundreds of bug reports of this already. (My guess: you haven't installed the packages properly, for example you made /usr/src a symlink.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: new hashes (SHA512, SHA3) in apt metadata and .changes files?

2013-08-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
hat's a different matter. What makes you think these are stronger? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Finding correct component for Virtual Box / Debian / screen resolution issue

2013-08-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
i. [...] I strongly oppose installing, by default, any userland program that takes over such low-level hardware control. (Yes, that includes X with UMS. But that will have to be grandfathered for now.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't.

Re: Finding correct component for Virtual Box / Debian / screen resolution issue

2013-08-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
ation between them, you must disable whatever hypervisor interface the 'guest additions' are using. (I have no idea whether that option exists.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#718791: ITP: mikutter -- Simple, powerful and moeful twitter client

2013-08-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
ould probably better > describe this. I've never seen such a word in English. I don't *think* either definition at <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moe> fits... Ben. > > >* Followee, Follower list > > > >No such word. > -- Ben Hutchings This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#718791: ITP: mikutter -- Simple, powerful and moeful twitter client

2013-08-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 01:54 +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 04:56:51PM +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 12:46 +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 11:59:29AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > On M

Re: Finding correct component for Virtual Box / Debian / screen resolution issue

2013-08-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 23:24 +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > I strongly oppose installing, by default, any userland program that > > takes over such low-level hardware control. > > Considering that Linux (on my machi

Re: new hashes (SHA512, SHA3) in apt metadata and .changes files?

2013-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-08-08 at 22:21 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On 05-08-13 02:16, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 16:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >> On 03-08-13 13:45, Ondřej Surý wrote: > >>> I think it's useless to upgrade to SHA512 (or SHA-

Re: pidof changing from sysvinit-devel to procps

2013-08-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
split procps into essential and non-essential binary packages. Aside from pidof, I bet there are lots of scripts using pkill, pgrep, /bin/kill and ps without the necessary dependency now. (I saw one using ps just the other day: #719126.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I say we take off; nuk

Re: pidof changing from sysvinit-devel to procps

2013-08-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2013-08-09 at 14:21 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > Le 9 août 2013 13:39, "Ben Hutchings" a écrit : > > > > On Fri, 2013-08-09 at 21:10 +1000, Craig Small wrote: > > > Besides my Debian duties I am also upstream for procps. I have > been in

Bug#719951: general: Autoremove Wants to remove Entire system

2013-08-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
;metapackages' disables this behaviour - its dependencies will not be treated as auto-installed and auto-removable (since apt version 0.7.26~exp6). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 23:48 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: [...] > Plus, Ben Hutchings is putting together a plan to add support for > newer hardware in stable releases: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2013/08/msg00090.html > > Presumably, continuing to support newer hardwa

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
SUSE developers on backports of the latest in-tree driver to their 'enterprise' distributions. Ubuntu uses a combination of driver backports and newer kernel versions in LTS releases. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The obvious mathematical breakthrough [to break modern encryption] would be

Re: overriding udev rules

2013-08-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
uishes globally and locally administered addresses. While you would possibly to buy your own OUI and make global assignments to your VMs, I seriously doubt you are doing that. Don't steal address space. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Preventing government subversion in Debian, verification of binary package uploads

2013-08-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
arch:all binaries for linux, because upstream bandwidth from home is crap. You might want to treat an arch:amd64 upload of linux from me as suspicious. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: overriding udev rules

2013-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 01:22 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/24/2013 03:53 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > There is a very clear standard that distinguishes globally and locally > > administered addresses. > > > > While you would possibly to buy your own OUI and mak

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
n current stable (backporting can be difficult, and some just don't care), let alone another 3 years of LTS. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings All extremists should be taken out and shot. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: How git performs when you throw all of Debian at it

2013-08-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
it doesn't have an incompatible licence.) > Recent kernels are needed only for race-free deduplication, "cp --reflink" > works in oldstable. Please don't suggest using the squeeze or wheezy version of btrfs in production. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If God had intended Man to program, we'd have been born with serial I/O ports. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: System resume issues

2013-08-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
e command-line interfaces. > - Other packages need update their configuration scripts to use /etc/resume. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If God had intended Man to program, we'd have been born with serial I/O ports. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: How git performs when you throw all of Debian at it

2013-08-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 22:22 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:44:21AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Funny that you ask. What's the usual competitor for ZFS? > > > btrfs is included in stock kernels, doesn't take massive amounts of

Re: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
e of TL > to those who think they can handle it. > > I will not carry 30+ transitional packages. How much do those packages weigh, Norbert? Are TeX transitional packages particularly heavy? I really don't know why you think TeX is exempt from the usual requirements to support clean u

Re: overriding udev rules

2013-09-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
e new udev policy isn't any better for Thomas's use case, though. He seems to want to take his chances with kernel probing order... Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Status of dgit (good for NMUs and fast-forwarding Debian branches)

2013-09-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
dh_clean debian/substvars gamedesc.txt version2.def (I'm not claiming this is a good example). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Status of dgit (good for NMUs and fast-forwarding Debian branches)

2013-09-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:49 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes ("Re: Status of dgit (good for NMUs and fast-forwarding > Debian branches)"): > > Example from sgt-puzzles: > > > > override_dh_auto_clean: > > ! [ -f Makefile ] || $(MAK

Re: Status of dgit (good for NMUs and fast-forwarding Debian branches)

2013-09-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
age. But I believe the FTP team's concerns are about *reachable* objects that may be copyright violations. It is hard enough to check this for one version. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing (Status update)

2013-09-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
a64 and other big updates. > > So please, keep ia64 in the bandwagon ;-) But I don't think ia64 is well-supported even in wheezy. The kernel doesn't boot on some common machines and no-one seems to be able to fix it. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings compatible: Gracefully accepts erroneous data from any source signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: think twice before enabling -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 for C projects without thorough build-time testing

2013-09-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
e that library implementers should care about run-time regressions even for buggy applications. However, in this case, failing to clear the buffer may undermine the static analysis of buffer size (I haven't thought too carefully about whether that's the case). Given that it's a reasonably

Removing some kernel-related virtual packages

2013-09-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
ame a real package, which was replaced between etch and lenny by linux-libc-dev. There is one remaining reverse-dependency (libkxl0-dev, #724639) which would need to be fixed first. Any objections? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. signatur

Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers

2013-09-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
workaround > is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of "bad breath is better than > no breath". This sounds like a good reason to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev also fail on this hardware. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The world is coming to an end. Please log off. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: ports and multiarch

2013-10-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
sure about other > powerpc worlds. I don't think Debian development should be driven by retro-computing. I'm not saying we should drop support for perfectly usable machines, but most of those 32-bit Macs are soon going to be too slow or too broken for practical use (if they aren't

Re: Collect Suspend Tweaks

2013-10-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
linux-kernel) may be best. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.d

Re: Insufficient RAM on build-machines (was Bug#726009: yade: FTBFS on i386 (and others))

2013-10-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
'Physical Address Extension' do you not understand? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings No political challenge can be met by shopping. - George Monbiot -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian

Re: Bootstrappable Debian - a decision is needed, patches exist

2013-10-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
sequences of the different syntaxes. Don't invite bikeshedding. If the dpkg maintainers refuse to make a decision then you should go to the technical committee. Hopefully that will not be necessary. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle science fi

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
hat responsibility. > If it is true, it is the thing we need to be prepared for, and so far > I haven't seen any official information. > > > This might also be relevant > here: > http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
it for Linux 3.12 in Debian, as we can't enable CONFIG_USER_NS before then, and I don't know whether the vzctl package is ready to work with mainline kernels. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-re

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
d > be ready for jessie. > > Until then if you do not trust containers then the best choice is to > use openvz with Parallel's 2.6.32 kernel. Right, and wheezy userland should generally work with that kernel. (It's not something that I've tested, though.) Ben. -- Ben H

Re: OpenVZ (was: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)

2013-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 22:16 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/24/2013 06:46 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 11:59 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 09:11:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 0

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 15:41 -0700, Mark Symonds wrote: > No, no, no… drop GNOME. > > Useless anyway. 1. Don't top-post. 2. Assume good faith. 3. This list is for discussion of Debian development, not for random opinions. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allow

Re: Proposal: switch init system to systemd or upstart

2013-10-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
e was a discussion of these problems at the Kernel Summit on Thursday and I hope to see a more detailed report in LWN within the next few days. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Editing code like this is akin to sticking plasters on the bleeding stump of a severed limb. - me, 29 June 1999 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
gt; that outcome. [...] I do. I think non-Linux ports make more sense as derivative distributions. This gives them the freedom to drop packages that aren't worth porting, work around Linux-isms as necessary, improve integration with their own kernel, and release on their own schedule - rather

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
han a container. The new process is in the same user namespace and inherits most capabilities. It can optionally run in a new network namespace. Ben. > If you use lxc-start instead of systemd-nspawn, does your Fedora image work? > Last I knew, the answer was "no". -- Ben Hutchings If

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
ense scheme, with (a) the original license, and (b) > $whatever-they-want. [...] Yes, but that says nothing about the rest of the program that it's a part of, nor that they will continue to distribute the Contribution. Since the contributor, retaining copyright, can give that license to anyone an

Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)

2011-10-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
t; practically no different from MODULES=most. Considering that my sid is > full-disk encrypted, there is something odd, here. I think you're mistaken about those last few. MODULES=most still results in a ~10 MB initramfs on x86. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Quantity is no substitute for quality, but it's the only one we've got. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
igurable from the desktop, and fix the MUAs to use the MTA - *not* to > get rid of the MTA. The MTA has to be able to get error reports back to the MUA, so we need the MUA to support local mail too. Now the user has an MTA and two accounts in the MUA, when all he wanted was a single account. How

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
even the home user can do something immediately. The user generally can't even read the warning in time to make a decision; the system must handle OOM or over-temperature quickly. However, the user should be notified about that decision, if possible. Ben. -- Ben H

Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release embedding jimtcl

2011-10-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
emand that a desktop metapackage should support it. Ben. > [1]. Many thanks to new udev which makes the usb0 interface work out of the > box, including hotplugging. -- Ben Hutchings 73.46% of all statistics are made up. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Debian tutorial/Debian Certification

2011-10-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
dministration, try debian-user. If you want to learn about Debian package maintenance, try debian-mentors. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#646019: general: torrent on USB-HDD cause disk disconnect

2011-10-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 17:39 +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > > > reassign 646019 cdimage.debian.org WTF? Isn't this a kernel driver bug? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Unix is many things to many people, but it's ne

Re: udev: what does it used for in Debian?

2011-10-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
(However, it does support partition UUIDs as used in GPT. You can use root=PARTUUID= to select from those. But I doubt you're using a GPT.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: A debian/rules target to rebuild pre-built stuff?

2011-10-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 12:10 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: [...] > One example from the archive: firmware-free. Source code for the > embedded software blobs is present but at least one of them no longer > builds or never did. [...] I've been working on that specific case... Ben. --

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-10-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
appears that Broadcom never sent version 6.2.9.0 of the bnx2x firmware there. It's also possible that the request was dropped somewhere along the way. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings compatible: Gracefully accepts erroneous data from any source signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-10-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 11:25 +0200, Dmitry Kravkov wrote: > On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 08:06 -0700, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 10:49 +0100, Sébastien Riccio wrote: > > > On 30.10.2011 10:42, Niels Thykier wrote: > > > Our upstream for (most of) firmware-no

Re: segfault error 4 in libpthread-2.13.so X86_64

2011-10-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
valgrind package) can find the bug. Please do not ask for further help on this list. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-11-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
way to build them and add them manually on a debian unstable > machine ? I uploaded a new version today which includes the versions requested by the bnx2x driver in Linux 3.0 and 3.1. Sorting out the mess upstream will take a little longer... Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
(and hence Debian), no. (libexec isn't specified by the FHS.) Is there any movement to fix this (by specifying /usr/libexec) now that FHS is being updated? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
ddrpc.rquotad ld-elf.so.1 rpc.rstatd Very little of that is related to GNU. Apparently it's for executables that don't belong in the path (rarely used from interactive shells or scripts). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the hab

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 01:09 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 04 novembre 2011 à 21:21 +0000, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > > It's not a GNU invention; I believe it derives from BSD. > > I stand corrected. That doesn’t make it have any more sense, though. >

Re: dh_strip failing on cross-compilation

2011-11-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
86 architecture includes an 'amd64' kernel flavour. Once you run that, amd64 chroots work just fine. Ben, -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSC

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