Re: lilo about to be dropped?

2009-04-14 Thread Bjørn Mork
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@ens-lyon.org writes: Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit : Samuel Thibault wrote: I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but without

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 14:04 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:55:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: As (co-)maintainer of pm-utils and hal, I'd prefer if we could work towards standardizing on one power management stack in Debian

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 10:25 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Well, you can always argue that the rest can be fixed. Provide patches etc. But the point is that hal implies a regression for many (most?) users. please stop the FUD. Sorry. You're right

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 00:34 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : My list of hal related regressions are a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver - I don't know) Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* names, so

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 15:06 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver - I don't know) Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* names, so that applications configuring shortcuts

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 10:26 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : I prefer non-broken defaults. hal defaults are broken. No, the keys are not always mapped to standard XF86* names. They are sometimes mapped into the blue. See e.g. bug #504643, which

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: If it’s just your decision, why are you bitching on this list? That's a good question. It was fun for a while. But I think the spectators are getting a bit bored. I'll stop now. Thanks for your answers. Believe it or not, but I've learned a lot

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-23 Thread Bjørn Mork
Matthew Garrett mgarr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: powertop makes various recommendations that are only useful in very specific circumstances. Disabling polling in hal saves you a small (and probably not useful in the real world) amount of power, but is required to get to the number of

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-23 Thread Bjørn Mork
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes: See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC media change notification is broken. Err. You are using the broken firmware argument both ways. You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinning up: Implement a

Re: Bug#525481: Wrong usage of gnome proxy settings

2009-04-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org writes: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 09:56:54AM +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 22.30 +0200, Mike Hommey ha scritto: [...] I'm not sure iceweasel uses gnome settings, but uses what gnome exports in the *_proxy environment variable. Can

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? It is working fine, thanks for the head's up about it

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Those

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Mail-Followup-To is: A. Useless junk without clear semantics B. Violating standards Which standards would that be? Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: I’m not subscribed to any list which set the Reply-To header. Could you at least show some examples of such lists in the free software world? What's the free software world? Is that a separate networking domain, or is it connected to the Internet?

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: -idl=$(ls /etc/init.d/${service} 2 /dev/null | head -n 1) +idl=/etc/init.d/${service} if [ -n $idl ] [ -x $idl ]; then You might as well remove the -n test if you do this. There's not much chance of hitting it anymore... Bjørn

Re: Bug#535833: marked as done (general: Slow internet on iceweasel, epiphany and so on...)

2009-08-03 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Roger Leigh | Having working local networking is important. We wouldn't consider | broken IPv4 loopback acceptable, and broken IPv6 loopback is just as | bad. Sure, having it working is important. Is it more important than keeping those (often

Re: Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: 5) We create a new free database. I don't think is too difficult, and I think we would have support also at high level. But it needs a lot of communication works: the term of service of IANA and the RIRs (Regional Internet Registry) forbid to

Re: udev and /usr

2009-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy. Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just disabling the

Re: udev and /usr

2009-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Sep 04, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just disabling the /lib/udev/{pci,usb}-db helpers alltogether to avoid ever getting any users of this info in Debian? It will always be too

Re: udev and /usr

2009-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Sep 04, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Whatever the cause, it breaks the FHS. Since it keeps being repeated, it is time to destroy this argument. FHS documents what distributions want to do: of the other relevant distributions,

Re: DeviceKit and /usr

2009-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Hendrik Sattler p...@hendrik-sattler.de writes: Am Freitag 04 September 2009 16:36:52 schrieb Michael Biebl: devkit-disks-part-id and devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart both link against libraries which are (currently) in /usr/lib, i.e. devkit-disks-part-id links against libglib-2.0 (784K)

Re: udev and /usr

2009-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On your part, you could try to understand them instead of attributing to me straw man positions. That's a good advice. Thanks. Please help me understand: What is the usb-db and/or pci-db use case? I'm afraid my creative imagination is far too limited to

Re: DeviceKit and /usr

2009-09-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le vendredi 04 septembre 2009 à 19:32 +0200, Hendrik Sattler a écrit : It rather needs to raise the question why simple low-level tools use something like libglib? I’d rather raise the question why each of our simple low-level tools implement its

Re: DeviceKit and /usr

2009-09-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le lundi 07 septembre 2009 à 11:48 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit : You're not seriously suggesting that DeviceKit-disks usage of g_print instead of printf is actually adding anything useful? Yeah sure, just look at g_print and not at the other symbols

Re: Patch Tagging Guidelines (aka DEP3)

2009-09-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: after several rounds of discussion on -devel, we now have a new standard defining meta-information to integrate on patches that we distribute/apply in our packages: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ Just a minor comment on the examples: Please either

Re: DeviceKit and /usr

2009-09-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le lundi 07 septembre 2009 à 20:00 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a écrit : Steve Langasek wrote: Case 1, please. Either case 2 fails to handle the allocation error, or glib is doing its own abort. Neither is acceptable. Yeah, sure. As if there

Re: OpenPGP smartcard and Debian

2008-09-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Luca Capello [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [2] http://www.g10-code.de/p-card.html I assume this was supposed to be http://www.g10code.de/p-card.html Bjørn -- Luser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Moritz Muehlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. You are aware of upstream's attitude towards security holes? There are lots of assumptions like nobody will ever do

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters. I downloaded the netqmail source from http://dbn.smarden.org/sid/ and looked briefly at it, to see if most of the

Re: Bug#509063: ITP: libproxy -- automatic proxy configuration management library

2008-12-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de writes: * Emilio Pozuelo Monfort: Description : automatic proxy configuration management library libproxy is a lightweight library which makes it easy to develop applications proxy-aware with a simple and stable API. WPAD is a broken protocol with

Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)

2009-02-23 Thread Bjørn Mork
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden directories on web servers, presumably either your own or other people's. Why would you need to find directories on

Re: Upcoming Section changes in the archive

2009-02-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le vendredi 27 février 2009 à 14:33 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Like the other poster, cli is very confusing. If we have enough packages (get me a list/matches :) ), im not against a section for it, but

Re: net-tools future

2009-03-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Martín Ferrari tin...@debian.org writes: Problematic tools: * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand, it's distributed as a stand-alone tool [0] and we could do the same. A couple of notes:

Re: net-tools future

2009-03-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: mii-tool may not be meant for scripts, but I for one have used it in the past to force speed/duplex like this: iface eth1 inet static address 10.122.226.9 netmask

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980 I just find it wierd that there doesn't appear to be a

Re: Can a package modify slapd.conf in its maintainer script?

2008-08-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 08:48:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I really wish there was some organized way for packages to automatically add schemas and settings to the OpenLDAP server configuration, at install time. ldap is a network based

Re: Is it a user error to use lilo?

2008-08-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kernel-img.conf(5) has nothing to do with initramfs-tools. there you'll find do_bootloader documented. I am glad you are referring to this man page. I found myself looking for it a while ago, surprised to find that it wasn't installed on the system

Re: Is it a user error to use lilo?

2008-08-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have both GRUB and LILO installed, there will be problems. That is infact, a bug. They should Conflict with each other to ensure that only one can be installed at a time, but it is a minor bug at best, as any smart user would not have both

Re: Is it a user error to use lilo?

2008-08-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:07:29AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: If you have both GRUB and LILO installed, there will be problems. That is infact, a bug. They should Conflict with each other to ensure that only one can be installed at a time, but

Re: Is it a user error to use lilo?

2008-08-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kernel-img.conf does not pertain to any package, this is meant to be solved postlenny by linux images using debian kernel toolkit [1] kind regards -- maks [1] http://multibuild.org/documentation/dkt Sounds good! Thanks for the pointer. But

Re: Bug#497476: ITP: gw6c -- Client to connect to IPv6 tunnel brokers

2008-09-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: gw6c Version : 5.1 Upstream Author : Hexaco * URL : http://go6.net/4105/download.asp * License : BSD Programming Lang: C

Re: Debian Policy 10.7.4 Sharing configuration files question

2011-01-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: For reference for others reading this, the postinst of the relevant package follows. Note that it adds an unqualified hostname, potentially shadowing a system in the local domain, if the user agrees to update /etc/hosts. The debconf question is priority:

Re: Debian Policy 10.7.4 Sharing configuration files question

2011-01-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: On a different, although similar issue, how would a change of /etc/inittab in a maintainer script be regarded? (I’m considering it for gdm3 in wheezy.) If I wanted some random package maintainer to mess with my configuration files, then I would

Re: Debian Policy 10.7.4 Sharing configuration files question

2011-01-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 à 18:27 +0100, Bjørn Mork a écrit : If I wanted some random package maintainer to mess with my configuration files, then I would probably just have used Fedora or whatever. I am not seeking the opinion of other random

Re: Why is help so hard to find?

2011-01-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes: Completely agreed. The focus of dependency based boot is correctness. The old system with static start/stop priorities was a pain to maintain and actually had many bugs which were effectively impossible to change, because changing the priority of *one*

packages with hook interfaces and no documented hook policy

2011-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
After discovering two different unrelated packages abusing the pm-utils hooks, I started wondering if there are any generic guidance wrt such hooks. Can any package just provide the hook directories it want without an explicit policy? And can any package provide hooks in such directories, even

Re: packages with hook interfaces and no documented hook policy

2011-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
James Vega james...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: My claim is that packages like unattended-upgrades and pm-utils are completely unrelated to each other, and that a hook in unattended-upgrades which breaks pm-utils by preventing

Re: packages with hook interfaces and no documented hook policy

2011-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:43:23 +0100 Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Can any package just provide the hook directories it want without an explicit policy? A general policy for all hooks sounds like a difficult thing to create - it could easily be so

Re: packages with hook interfaces and no documented hook policy

2011-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: Different package objectives. cron-apt may be what you are actually thinking of. Even then, I wouldn't use cron-apt on a laptop. Well, I do like security updates to just be there and I don't like to do sysadmin tasks. So I want some sort of automated

Re: packages with hook interfaces and no documented hook policy

2011-01-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
James Vega james...@debian.org writes: The bug[0] which was the impetus behind adding that script seems sound to me. Delaying hibernation to ensure that the system isn't left in an unbootable state is a fair trade-off. [0]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/191514 Yes,

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project did not finish. See this archives of

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 23:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that is better designed

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value. I am happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's easy to configure for use on new wireless networks. I am not happy that network manager bypasses

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Brett Parker idu...@sommitrealweird.co.uk writes: Everything that you can do with ifupdown you can do with network manager, That's simply not true. You cannot use n-m remotely without having some out-of-band access. For a start. Fix that, and I'll come back with the next issue. You don't

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: The only thing that I miss from ifupdown (and I configured bonds, bridges and vlans) is a good IPv6 support. I can’t separately activate or deactivate IPv4 or IPv6 parts of an interface. I have seen several requests for this feature, but I

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connections without anyone logged on, and with a number of features that makes ifupdown look like a baby toy. So Network-Manager

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes: * Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi [2011-04-15 14:18]: ip rule show | grep -Ev '^(0|32766|32767):|iif lo' \ | while read PRIO NATRULE; do ip rule del prio ${PRIO%%:*} $( echo $NATRULE | sed 's|all|0/0|' ) done iface ethX inet static

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Patrick Schoenfeld schoenf...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 02:01:06PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connections without

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Björn Mork wrote: Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes: up ip rule add downip rule del The power of the pre-up/up/down/post-down scripting is tremendous. So is that of NM dispatcher scripts. And this is documented

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org wrote: Preparing to replace network-manager 0.8.3.999-1 (using .../network- manager_0.8.3.999-1_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement network-manager ... Setting up network-manager

Re: this list archive spoils e-mails + strange Enigmail typos

2011-05-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stanisław Findeisen s...@eisenbits.com writes: Well but the quoted text *is* there... (at least in the copy I received from liszt.debian.org). Both problems (missing text and visible =20) are caused by MIME headers missing from the first part of your message. The quoted text is hidden because

Re: How to solve race condition between IPv6 ifup and start of services?

2011-05-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Sat, 21 May 2011 15:42:51 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: With an event-based init system such as upstart, you could also set up the service not to start until the specified interface is fully configured. Issue (1): We don't

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes: Some don't even have Internet access. So, how do you propose reportbug should handle those? Send a fax? Seriously, what problem do you have that isn't solved by reportbug --offline --output=foo ? Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Permissions of /var/mail/$USER

2009-10-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Nicolas François nicolas.franc...@centraliens.net writes: When an user is created, useradd creates a /var/mail/$USER mailbox with the mode 0660 (owned by $USER:mail). I heard this causes some issues for dovecot, and a solution could be to move to mode 0600. Where did you hear this? Exactly

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: If you really want to help, read the mail archive of the debian-python mailing list [1] (optionally hang out in the IRC channel), and get an idea of what the problem is. I also advise to take a look to the archive to people participating in this thread

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: This discussion on -devel is quite useless and contra productive for everyone involved. There is currently discussion ongoing about how to move forward, though due to the complex nature of the current situation (where also lots of FUD etc is on the lists),

Re: defaulting to net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 for squeeze

2009-12-23 Thread Bjørn Mork
Jarek Kamiński ja...@vilo.eu.org writes: Yes. Following code actually works (runs with bindv6only enabled, listens on [::]:1234 and accepts connection made to localhost:1234): I'm sure it works. But I wanted to note that localhost is somewhat ambigious. It may include ::1 ipv6-pppoe-1:~#

Re: Bug#575209: closed by Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org (Re: Bug#575209: general: Error resolving hostname [resent])

2010-03-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com writes: - Sites with domain names like ker-.deviantart.com do already exist! Do you think they should be accessible by any other proprietary operating system, but not Debian? Not really! Anyone can enter bogus data in the DNS. Neither the existence of

Re: 2 ftpds packages conflicts

2006-11-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:34:14PM +0100, Sz?kelyi Szabolcs wrote: can anyone tell why ftpds do conflict with each other and why httpds do not? Actually the httpds should conflict too as they install listeners on 0.0.0.0:80. Nope, not IMHO. There are

Re: 2 ftpds packages conflicts

2006-11-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yet there are also many users, probably those who are not professional administrators, that _need_ for everything to work out of the box. Who should we help more: those who get paid to administer the machines, and are probably much more knowledable, or the

Re: 2 ftpds packages conflicts

2006-11-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tiago Saboga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I prefer a) over b), but for the sake of completeness, we should point that there is third choice: c) allow it to work, automagically determining new ports For this to work, the user would have to choose which server is the main one. I don't know how

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes: [Roger Lynn] But apt has been using pipelining for years. Why has this only just become a problem? It has been a problem in Debian Edu for years. Just recently I figured out the cause and a workaround. And FWIW I have experienced this problem for

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Pierre Habouzit madco...@madism.org writes: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:42:55AM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: 2) http proxy servers cannot always process pipelined requests due to the complexity this adds (complexity is always bad for security), and This is bullshit. It's *VERY* easy to support

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: A HTTP/1.1 conforming server or proxy This is not the real world... is free to process pipelined requests serially one by one. The only requirement is that it does not corrupt the second request by reading all available data into a buffer,

extlinux (was: Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2))

2010-05-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Daniel Baumann dan...@debian.org writes: as of current git, you can now use EXTLINUX_UPDATE=false in /etc/default/extlinux to prevent having update-extlinux do anything. That's the single feature I misseded. Thanks. Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some fixed

Re: Bindv6only once again

2010-06-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: How many times will this discussion will go round and round in circles? I'm getting dizzy. I believe it will continue until someone finds the end of the circle. Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Automatically installing hardware specific packages

2010-06-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes: [Petter Reinholdtsen] Are there better ways to do this? Anyone willing to work on it? One alternative would be to move the information out of the discover-data package, and into the Packages file instead, similar to how Iceweasel[1] and

Re: New LILO upstream development

2010-06-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Joachim Wiedorn ad_deb...@joonet.de writes: After the long silence about the popular bootloader LILO the development was started again. The new Homepage can be found here: http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ For the development of the bootloader I have started an Alioth project with Git

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes: so good that *I* will prefer it over others. The problem with this is that we all(?) already prefer Debian. In my eyes, there is no question about which distro to choose. I prefer Debian for so many reasons that I'm not sure I'm able to

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Having followed the Ubuntu bugs for many of my packages for several years now, I think Debian's bug system is considerably more user-friendly than Launchpad. It may not be as *pretty*, and it's not as easy to submit a bug, but when you submit a bug to

Re: teaching users how to submit good bug reports

2010-07-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:05:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users? In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather then in pull mode. No, we obviosely do not.

Re: teaching users how to submit good bug reports

2010-07-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: No, we obviosely do not. When staffing bothes in the past I regularly asked people to report their problem and they had no idea how to do (because they did not know reportbug) even

Re: teaching users how to submit good bug reports

2010-07-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net writes: On 07/22/2010 11:42 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: [snip] But this is not a problem you can solve. You cannot avoid requiring some effort from users wanting to report a bug. For some value of some effort. MS Windows has a bug-reporting pop-up window

Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 are sufficiently different protocol-wise to warrant two different clients. (The v6 people might not want to deal with the cruft of DHCPv4 too...) Absolutely! Create a new DHCPv6 client, cleanly implementing the protocol without

Re: ifupdown 0.7~alpha4 in experimental

2011-06-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: So how do you do the auto configuration? Do you have radvd running or a DHCPv6 server? If I understand correctly, radvd won’t give you DNS servers. radvd *can* give you DNS servers. See the RDNSS option in radvd.conf(5). rdnssd is a

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-12 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: What would it take to make this change? Changing the LSB. Or you need to keep the sendmail interface. Which is what mail-transport-agent provides. Have I missed any important points? You forgot to explain the upside, reason, why, gain, whatever.

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com writes: On 16/11/2011 22:43, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Most netbooks and small laptops (such as Thinkpads) do not. My thinkpad has it... Mine doesn't. The smaller Thinkpads (less than 14?) don't. This discussion is getting more and more weird, but for the

Re: [Long] UEFI support

2012-01-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tanguy Ortolo tanguy+deb...@ortolo.eu writes: Paul Wise, 2012-01-09 00:44+0100: Sounds like he was asking you to name these new 32-bit only x86 systems that are still being produced and sold. That is right. In fact, I do not doubt there are some 32 bits only processors sold today, but I am

Re: Default display manager should not be gdm3

2012-02-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: This feature was in squeeze and so far we didn’t reinstate it in 3.x on upstream request. This is because they complained people used this feature to shoot themselves in the foot and then accused gdm of being broken. So they choose to break gdm and

Re: Removing the MTA from the default install

2012-05-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Is this the right time to do it? Wasn't this just recently discussed? Just replay the thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00227.html Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Machine-specific configuration belongs in /etc. The default behavior of the tools doesn't. Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the defaults any

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes: Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes: And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes: Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes: No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of the floppy group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules : Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-30 Thread Bjørn Mork
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: On 2012-05-30 12:08:29 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 26 mai 2012 à 23:02 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a écrit : With tmpfs on /tmp you are breaking many applications that assume that they have enough space to write on /tmp like the

Re: Idea: mount /tmp to tmpfs depending on free space and RAM

2012-06-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes: I've happily been using tmpfs on /tmp/ for probably ten years now, and can list some more benefits: - It allow diskless setups like LTSP to work the same way the default installation in Debian work. They use read-only NFS-mounted file

Re: Idea: mount /tmp to tmpfs depending on free space and RAM

2012-06-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes: [Bjørn Mork] I'd like to add another one: - a tmpfs is always easy to grow without requiring any special preparations. Just add more swap. The swap could be on different disks, and could even be files hosted on other file systems

Re: Summary: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Serge sergem...@gmail.com writes: 2012/6/10 Adam Borowski wrote: Some people asked for a thread summary. So here it is. Seriously, can't you even read what's written to you? Yes, I know it was a biased summary. I think you might start to piss off a few people now... Look at what you are

Re: Idea: mount /tmp to tmpfs depending on free space and RAM

2012-06-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Aneurin Price aneurin.pr...@gmail.com writes: (Note that we are talking about applications which fail gracefully when confronted with ENOSPC, Are we? What's the problem then? but which are likely to do so more often when the size of /tmp is restricted.) Yes, but the tmpfs correlation is

Re: Idea: mount /tmp to tmpfs depending on free space and RAM

2012-06-12 Thread Bjørn Mork
Aneurin Price aneurin.pr...@gmail.com writes: In anything resembling a 'normal' system (ie. the kind where one might be using the defaults) I would say that the tmpfs correlation is so strong as to be very nearly 1:1, and this seems like the crux of the matter; that is after all the reason

Re: Idea: mount /tmp to tmpfs depending on free space and RAM

2012-06-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Serge sergem...@gmail.com writes: Since tmpfs+swap is mostly slower than regular filesystem And the world is flat. Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

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