Re: Debian and the desktop

2005-12-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Joey Hess [Mon, Dec 12 2005, 03:53:02PM]: This kind of disconnect between what an installed Debian system actually does, what some developers think it does, and results like Debian developers passing out Ubuntu CDs instead of contributing more fixes to Debian is intensely

Re: c2a transition: libraries still needing transition

2005-12-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Nathanael Nerode [Tue, Dec 20 2005, 04:59:46PM]: rlog -- old version is in testing Depends on the update of fuse. I am waiting for any reaction from Bartosz and I am going to NMU fuse next week or so if nothing happens. Eduard. -- pearl auf tetrinet.debian.net sind leute,

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Wed, Dec 21 2005, 05:03:41PM]: $ uncompressor -bash: uncompressor: command not found This solution doesn't look usable in scripts and user have to use a more complex syntax. You have to replace uncompressor with whatever tool is the right to

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Wed, Dec 21 2005, 04:19:56PM]: Actual maintainer of dpkg is evaluating the possibility to use 7zip. Even if the decision of using 7zip by default is far from being taken, it looks likely that dpkg will at least start supporting it. Cheers,

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Hood [Fri, Jan 20 2006, 10:32:06AM]: Matt Zimmerman wrote: The compromise we struck with upstream was that we would not give the user a system with a broken Python. So upstream objects to the separate packaging of python-minimal unless all of python is

Re: Offline use of apt-cacher

2006-01-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Anuradha Ratnaweera [Mon, Jan 23 2006, 06:24:08PM]: - Lazy online: we like apt-cacher to fetch a Packages/Release file only if it old as set by a timeout. So if one runs apt-get update many times during a short period, only the first one will need to make a HEAD/GET

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-29 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Josselin Mouette [Sun, Jan 29 2006, 04:27:06AM]: Le samedi 28 janvier 2006 à 21:21 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : This is only a feature for perl maniacs. A language that requires a specific coding style is better, because it makes possible for anyone knowing the

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-29 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Josselin Mouette [Sun, Jan 29 2006, 04:44:32AM]: Le samedi 28 janvier 2006 à 21:13 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : Sorry, but there's a whole new generation of Debian developers here that simply won't develop anything in perl, just because perl looks too complex and

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-29 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Mike Hommey [Thu, Jan 26 2006, 09:46:26PM]: On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 04:12:35PM +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le samedi 21 janvier 2006 à 21:52 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 02:21:34PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to contribute

2006-02-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Michael Rasmussen [Mon, Feb 13 2006, 01:58:09PM]: Hi all, How to I contribute an application to Debian? I am the developer of the application and it is released under GPL If you are running Debian, use the reportbug tool to file a bug against wnpp, type RFP and answer

Size matters. 7zip. Again.

2006-02-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Lars Wirzenius [Wed, Feb 15 2006, 10:42:02AM]: (Once we use .tar.bz2, the sizes will be even smaller.) I cannot remember a clear consens from the Size matters thread, and IMO we should go for 7zip at least for source packages. Eduard. -- For any stupid thing chosen at

Re: limitations of reportbug and BTS

2006-02-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Frank Küster [Thu, Feb 16 2006, 09:06:06AM]: You use google groups to search the linux.debian.bugs.dist newsgroup. Maybe we should document that on the bugs.debian.org main webpage. Can't we include a form where you put in your search text, click search, and the

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Mike Hommey [Sun, Feb 19 2006, 11:07:33AM]: I checked all these 141 packages (see attachment). There are 12 MSWord files out of 1022 .doc/.doc.gz files. HOW LAME! A 70kB message with 0.0001 percent of usefull content is not enough to impress debian-devel readers. Next time

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Sat, Feb 18 2006, 05:18:37PM]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main.

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Mon, Feb 20 2006, 09:35:14AM]: No, it will never end. A few people managed to change the definition of freedom which was commonly accepted when I joined the project nine years ago and I do not feel a moral need to support their position. This is, I

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Mon, Feb 27 2006, 12:53:12PM]: I certainly do not think that the installer should be limited to software in main (and perhaps not even software in main+contrib, provided it still works correctly without non-free things around). Is that the root issue?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] volunteers?

2006-03-09 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Florian Haas [Thu, Mar 09 2006, 06:31:42PM]: That is fine and dandy, but how do you want to adress the underlying problem of the work ? I may have watched too much Startrek in my youth since I this morning I have spontaneously got an idea while trying to understand the root

Re: supporting navigation mouse buttons in Debian

2006-03-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Michael Gilbert [Sat, Mar 11 2006, 10:21:46PM]: Hello, I was recently browsing the web on a windows box and realized that over the last 4 years, I had forgotten how nice it is to be able browse back/forward with a single button click. So I set about enabling this

Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hi people, I just wondered why exactly my laptop uses that much time for updates and I think that calling ldconfig is a main problem. In theory, it should not cost much time because VFS cache has the relevant file parts. However, if memory is limited and there are other applications running, the

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Petter Reinholdtsen [Mon, Mar 13 2006, 11:00:47AM]: Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the developers, as a blocked NEW hinders development of Debian and should not we a surprise. An announcement would at least give us some idea on when the NEW

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Sun, Mar 12 2006, 03:35:42PM]: I think it would be a good idea to have a general dpkg hook to register a command to be run at the end of dpkg. The syntax would be something like this: dpkg-hook /usr/lib/man/update-manpages - run only once in total

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Pierre Habouzit [Mon, Mar 13 2006, 07:16:22PM]: What is a depends? Do you mean dependency or dependents? Further, I would not depend on package installation operations but instead invent something like dpkg-hook --execute ldconfig to run outstanding tasks noted under

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Frank Küster [Mon, Mar 13 2006, 07:28:42PM]: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dpkg-hook /usr/lib/man/update-manpages - run only once in total dpkg-hook --on-depends foobar ldconfig - run once before depends of foobar What is a depends? Do you mean dependency

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Frank Küster [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 09:52:06AM]: Registering the TeX fonts, on the other hand, is a good candidate for delayed execution: It takes long each time it is done, many packages do it in their postinst, and it will fail with the first package that is configured, no

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Bill Allombert [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 04:20:28AM]: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:56:13PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Hi people, I just wondered why exactly my laptop uses that much time for updates and I think that calling ldconfig is a main problem. In theory, it should

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 10:11:43PM]: What is a depends? Do you mean dependency or dependents? I think he means dependents: If package foo depends on library foobar, dpkg/apt can unpack and configure-without-ldconfig all packages that don't depend on

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
way, definitely not by stupid expulsion process. Heck, even our current DPL may not be there if I would have acted like you few years ago (I did not forget comments like Ah, Eduard Bloch joined the club of debian-legal experts, hahaha and similar stupid rants found in IRC logs but, hey, people can

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a pattern of behaviour

3rd party modules in the archive

2006-03-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andres Salomon [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 02:45:42PM]: On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: For starters, I/we need to figure out a sane way to deal w/ 3rd party kernel modules. I'm

Re: 3rd party modules in the archive

2006-03-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Bastian Blank [Thu, Mar 16 2006, 07:19:22PM]: On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:51:05PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: WTF has this to do with Sven now? Maybe because Sven and I worked on a solution for this problem. Hoookay... However, I have been

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-17 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 03:17:29PM]: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 10:11:43PM]: What is a depends? Do you mean dependency or dependents? I think he means dependents: If package

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-18 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Bill Allombert [Sat, Mar 18 2006, 02:56:27PM]: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:56:13PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Hi people, I just wondered why exactly my laptop uses that much time for updates and I think that calling ldconfig is a main problem. In theory, it should

Re: Delayed ldconfig execution in postinst step

2006-03-18 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Eduard Bloch [Sat, Mar 18 2006, 10:52:53PM]: #include hallo.h * Bill Allombert [Sat, Mar 18 2006, 02:56:27PM]: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:56:13PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Hi people, ... ld.so manpage imply the opposite. I would not be that sure. Following

Re: devfsd: ide cdr with scsi simulator

2000-08-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
): /*--*/ From: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Situation: Linux: Kernel 2.2.15 (Debian package kernel-image-2.2.15) Distribution: Debian Potato (deep freeze), i386 Devices: one CDRW-Writer, one CDROM-drive, both ATAPI 1. Become root, try grep hd.: /var/log/kern.log to find out where your

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
. -- Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; HP: http://eduard.bloch.com/edecosi 0xEDF008C5(GnuPG): E6EB 98E2 B885 8FF0 6C04 5C1D E106 481E EDF0 08C5 ** Das wahrlich arnoootische daran ist, das wahrscheinlich _alle_ Regulars diesem Thread absolut faziniert folgen, nur traut sich keiner

license for a mix of free sw + propritary stuff

2001-04-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
1991 [...] Gr{us,eeting}s, Eduard. -- Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; HP: http://eduard.bloch.com/edecosi 0xEDF008C5(GnuPG): E6EB 98E2 B885 8FF0 6C04 5C1D E106 481E EDF0 08C5 ** No, really: Outlook Express is an excellent

new package attribute. e.g. Ghost:

2001-04-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
it. # = 4..n Whatever we want... Gr{us,eeting}s, Eduard. -- Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; HP: http://eduard.bloch.com/edecosi 0xEDF008C5(GnuPG): E6EB 98E2 B885 8FF0 6C04 5C1D E106 481E EDF0 08C5 ** How can you tell, you're

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Neil Spring wrote on Sat Sep 01, 2001 um 06:39:58PM: http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0105.1/0145.html As David noted, I'm in favor of turning ECN off-as-default. Good. The problem - it is on by default in our precompiled kernel-image packages. To disable (by

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Neil Spring wrote on Sun Sep 02, 2001 um 02:05:57PM: Summary: 1) why not disable ECN in kernel-image? it would be cleaner. See mail from Herbert. 2) why not disable ECN in /etc/network/options? it would be more relevant and visible than sysctl.conf. Another good idea.

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
of the first questions in baseconfig. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. | Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:43:06 -0400 | From: Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: Bug#101130: libc6 should depend on locales | To: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 07:29:05PM +0200

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Ben Collins [DPL] wrote on Mon Sep 03, 2001 um 03:33:52AM: maybe you don't use it, but a lot of user don't speak english or can't understand it. We must support locales and if a user can't speak english he pay this price. This isn't a matter of not using it, it's a

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Michael Bramer wrote on Mon Sep 03, 2001 um 09:25:04AM: maybe you don't use it, but a lot of user don't speak english or can't understand it. We must support locales and if a user can't speak english he pay this price. I had another idea: integrate it into boot floppies

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
Okay, if nobody objects I will start implementing support for it in boot-floppies (dbootstrap). #include hallo.h Eduard Bloch wrote on Mon Sep 03, 2001 um 09:49:37AM: #include hallo.h Michael Bramer wrote on Mon Sep 03, 2001 um 09:25:04AM: maybe you don't use it, but a lot of user don't

Re: new proposal: Translating Debian packages' descriptions

2001-09-04 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Nick Phillips wrote on Tue Sep 04, 2001 um 03:30:08PM: So you probably don't usually want the translations to be part of the package sources or binaries. They're logically separate, and should usually be physically separate (as physically as we ever get in this sense). ... So,

Re: 2.4 bootdisk for testing?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld wrote on Tue Sep 04, 2001 um 09:44:24PM: Are there any plans to have kernel 2.4.x boot-disks for testing? If there are/aren't could someone point me to more information about this, woes, obstacles, etc. The current kernel scheme is attached. For i386,

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Tille, Andreas wrote on Wed Sep 05, 2001 um 10:33:43AM: In my opinion the problem is an obvious target for a debconf solution. The user has just to press Enter one times: Do you want locales [y/N] I did also suggested an --install-locales option for debootstrap (and

Re: 2.4 bootdisk for testing?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote on Wed Sep 05, 2001 um 02:57:16PM: Make sure you have ECN disabled on those bootdisks otherwise some people will be finding out that to their surprise they are not able to download their packages via the network. See the recent ECN thread. ROTFL.

guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

2002-12-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Brian May [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 12:40:12PM]: It seems to be set for a pbuilder login operation on the stable version of pbuilder. So do you think debian-image should check the value of DEBIAN_FRONTEND? Sounds like a good idea to me... I think we should document this in

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

2002-12-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Wouter Verhelst [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 11:03:23PM]: Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user interaction during installation get support? i think it's a little heavy handed to do so, Why? In the long run, I think it's the way to go. Although

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

2002-12-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Colin Walters [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 08:15:08PM]: But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim. On the other hand I was interested enough in Postfix to write the debconfiscation, and then John Goerzen and LaMont Jones were interested enough to fix and significantly improve

Re: Kernel update for Debian 3.0/i386

2002-12-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Martin Schulze [Sun, Dec 08 2002, 06:06:42PM]: There is no pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-reiserfs, which looks like an oversight to me. AFAIK kernel-image-2.2.*-reiserfs is abandoned so do not wonder. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Uuuuhps! Wo is' se denn?!? Hat jemand meine Signatur

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Drew Scott Daniels [Thu, Apr 10 2003, 02:11:36PM]: I don't quite understand all the concepts being discussed but the following web pages may be worth reading. http://master.debian.org/~brinkmd/arch-handling.txt The idea is great and I came to very similar concept looking for

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Ben Collins [Sat, Apr 19 2003, 05:09:58PM]: Wow.. what an reaction :). Hans's original message was that the credits were not included with the distributed files, nothing else. Or am I completely mistaken? Sorry, I had read into some other peoples comments

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]: On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Henrique! Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb am Sunday, den 20. April 2003: On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be Go away. Come

Re: A strawman proposal: testing-x86 (Was: security in testing)

2003-05-17 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Björn Stenberg [Thu, May 15 2003, 01:18:57AM]: Theodore Ts'o wrote: So let me make the following modest strawman proposal. Let us posit the existence of a new distribution, which for now I'll name testing-x86. I suggested the same thing a few weeks ago, with little

Re: Bug#198957: ITP: email -- Send email from command line, either via MTA or SMTP, with optional encryption

2003-06-30 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Adam Heath [Mon, Jun 30 2003, 12:05:06PM]: Well, if we had voting on NEW packages, this would be first on my list of software never to be allowed into debian. The name is wrong, and the author appears to have a bubble on his neck that needs to be burst, if he thinks

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Herbert Xu [Thu, Jul 03 2003, 12:27:24PM]: I'd prefer no interaction at all during installation. I'm perfectly able to read documenation thank you very much. Happily, the noninteractive debconf frontend exists. And getting hundreds of emails after a mass upgrade? No

Re: No crc32 package in Debian?

2003-07-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Xavier Roche [Thu, Jul 03 2003, 04:15:22PM]: I was looking for the very simple crc32 binary to compute checksums for files, and couldn't find it. There is a crc32 perl lib, but no crc32 package. I know that md5 (or even sha-160) hash fingerprints are better, but in many

Re: Debian menu encoding support

2003-07-04 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Bill Allombert [Fri, Jul 04 2003, 08:55:41PM]: It is now possible to select the encoding used to write files generated by menu in a menu-method. You just need to add outputencoding=enc in the menu-method file, where enc is a valid iconv encoding. For example to force

Re: Debian menu encoding support

2003-07-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Morten Brix Pedersen [Sat, Jul 05 2003, 01:49:38AM]: Now, you force every maintainer to update the menu entries for localisation, when will be the next time to change them again? Why cannot you just recognize that the Free Desktop format is superior and invest your

Re: Resolvconf -- a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf

2003-07-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Hood [Sat, Jul 05 2003, 09:51:56PM]: Summary ~~~ Resolvconf is a proposed standard framework for updating the system's information about currently available nameservers. Most importantly, it manages /etc/resolv.conf , but it does a bit more than that. The

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Josselin Mouette [Wed, Jul 23 2003, 06:06:18PM]: Le mer 23/07/2003 ? 17:57, Martin Pitt a ?crit : Besides, what's so bad with the current boot-floppies that they could not be used for another release? Most people will do a mere dist-upgrade anyway, and b-f are thoroughly

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Roland Mas [Thu, Jul 24 2003, 10:11:18AM]: Besides, what's so bad with the current boot-floppies that they could not be used for another release? They're the single most unpopular point of Debian. The installation process is universally known to be non-user-friendly.

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Matthias! Matthias Urlichs schrieb am Thursday, den 24. July 2003: Hi, Marco d'Itri wrote: some useless architecture like arm or m68k Happy flaming. NOT. Please. Why NOT?! If nobody volunteeers to make the crap ready, why should others *without hardware and any other motivation*

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * David Z Maze [Thu, Jul 24 2003, 03:52:38PM]: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:25:16PM +0200, Robert Lemmen wrote: me too! any package that doesn't build on m68k or arm is broken and needs to be fixed, even if it works on x86 by chance! So, are you volunteering to help those

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-25 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Matthias! Matthias Urlichs schrieb am Friday, den 25. July 2003: You keep using this flame excuse I remember the last time this was discussed, and I believe that ESPECIALLY when emotions tend to run high, the words we use make a difference. There were no emotion. I just listed facts;

Re: unicode

2003-07-25 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Michael Piefel [Fri, Jul 25 2003, 01:51:33PM]: What I don't really get: I use the same font for almost everything (lucidatypewriter), definitely so for the mail composer and the konsole. So while the fact that copy-pasting it 'solves' the problem hints at a font

Bug#202907: language tasks pull in reams of huge packages

2003-07-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Joey Hess [Fri, Jul 25 2003, 02:50:52PM]: because the spanish task, like many tasks, pulls in -ll packages like openoffice.org-l10n-es and mozilla-locale-es-es. These tend to be split ... - Make the -ll packages only recommend the main packages, as the kde ones do. - Put

Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria

2003-07-31 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Martin Schulze [Thu, Jul 31 2003, 08:26:53AM]: WhereverHeim... *lol* Sunday evening : folks travel to Debcamp in Vienna, Austria Monday-Friday : Debcamp Saturday, Sunday : Debconf Sounds good. Now LinuxTag manages to be at the end of the uni semester and

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * LapTop006 [Sun, Aug 03 2003, 03:13:57PM]: IMHO we need to make an addition to policy stating that an old lib can not be removed from the archive until no other packages still depend on it. How about old libraries can not be removed until either no packages depend on it

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h I agree. The main functionality of Mutt is to read *and* send mail. AOL Being able to only read mail archives is not the main functionality but a backup functionality. To be able to provide the main functionality, an MTA is required, hence a dependency. Why not appease

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]: Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta and tell such MTA hating users to create a fake no-user-mta package with equivs. There's no point; it's just as easy to create a fake package

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Steve Greenland [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:01:51AM]: Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta Or better, Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent Where is the point? OP did already know how to manage dependencies, he can install ssmtp if

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Steve Langasek [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 07:37:16AM]: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Colin Watson [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 08:36:25AM]: Why not appease both? Let mutt depend on mail-transport-agent | no-user-mta

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Bernhard R. Link [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 03:03:07PM]: * Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030806 13:43]: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200 Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing the proper interface to

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Halil Demirezen [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 05:29:54PM]: We believe we could be helpful. However, We are trying to be cut off What makes you believe this? Many people helped Debian development on critical points like boot-floppies and debian-installer development _without_ beeing a DD

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Steve Langasek [Wed, Aug 06 2003, 10:10:06AM]: You tell me. Why is it so important to *prevent* the installation of an MTA on such a machine when installing mutt? 99% of our users are going to want to send outgoing mail from their mailreader. A package that contains

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Goswin! Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003: Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't understand what you are

Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 02:20:31AM]: If we are going to allow generic names, then obviously they would be applied to the most commonly used or best for the novice example, so I'm pretty sure that GNUstep apps aren't going to get them. On one of those counts,

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jeff Teunissen [Thu, Oct 07 2004, 09:10:56AM]: On one of those counts, many GNUstep-using apps often win over their competition. e.g. Terminal is a _very_ nice terminal emulator with excellent compatibility (it does UTF-8 well, and emulates the Linux console

Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Thomas Dickey [Fri, Oct 08 2004, 10:17:11AM]: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would help if you gave me the name of a sane terminfo entry that has an italic/oblique display command. He's not able to because the feature does not exist in terminfo.

Re: proposal: 'xterm' alternatives entry

2004-10-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * martin f krafft [Sun, Oct 10 2004, 06:43:09PM]: but then again, I consider 'xterm' to be somewhat of a generic name by now that I think it should be put under control of the alternatives system. The procedure would be to upload a new 'xterm' package which moves

Re: proposal: 'xterm' alternatives entry

2004-10-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Eduard Bloch [Sun, Oct 10 2004, 08:15:32PM]: which is not provided by mlterm. Though luck. In theory, every Args, it should be pterm. Eduard. -- OpenBSD fails miserably in this respect, and makes for an example of how NOT to work with the community on security issues

Re: PROPOSAL: debian-mozilla@lists.debian.org (was: Transitioning to Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR)

2004-10-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Johannes Rohr [Fri, Oct 08 2004, 10:20:12AM]: I remarked that mozilla-firefox is built on hppa using gcc-3.2 (I [...] Dear all, due to the ever increasing number of mozilla-based packages I wonder if it would be a good thing to have a separate debian-mozilla

Re: Possible mass bug filing: missing Icon= line in menu files

2004-10-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Thu, Oct 14 2004, 11:14:04AM]: I've already tried to write this to debian-qt-kde, but there was no reply. There are many packages that: - do provide icons for programs they provide - do provide files for /usr/lib/menu/ - but don't have Icon= lines

Re: Testing Large File Support (LFS)

2004-10-18 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Anand Kumria [Tue, Oct 19 2004, 12:53:45AM]: I'm just wondering if there is an automated way that we can test programs and/or packages to determine if they have working large file support? I do not think this can be automated easily. Every program has a different way of

Re: an idea for next generation APT archive caching

2004-10-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jonathan Oxer [Thu, Oct 21 2004, 02:17:49PM]: is unstable). IMHO, the only correct way is to scan the most recently downloaded Packages and Source index files and delete files that aren't mentioned anymore. That's how apt-cacher does it. Early versions of apt-cacher

Re: an idea for next generation APT archive caching

2004-10-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Adeodato Simó [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 04:40:52AM]: Further, I wish there could be pre-caching. Means: if a file was downloaded and that file was mentioned in packages-file A and after the next update, A has a newer version of this package than the package could be downloaded.

Re: Ubuntu discussion at planet.debian.org

2004-10-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jérôme Marant [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 10:20:51AM]: Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and Adrian Bunk: freezing unstable while keeping testing. Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal GR draft for exactly this issue

Re: Ubuntu discussion at planet.debian.org

2004-10-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Romain Francoise [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 06:04:12PM]: Is the entire world on crack and I just failed to notice until now? Don't worry, we're preparing an internal General Resolution to address this crack problem, but you're not supposed to know about it. This is how we fix

Re: Ubuntu discussion at planet.debian.org

2004-10-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * D. Starner [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 11:31:10AM]: And before you think about writing another message, think about the reason for having the debian-private ML. And why do you move parts of my message around?! To place your part of the answer in the beginning, to look more

Drop testing

2004-10-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and Adrian Bunk: freezing unstable while keeping testing. Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal GR draft for exactly this issue, but it is to be made public on the day of the release

Re: Ubuntu discussion at planet.debian.org

2004-10-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 12:27:03AM]: it. This is how we fix problems in Debian: hide them, then propose General Resolutions. And your point is..? That a GR on technical issues is moronic? Who declares them as technical issues? different ways to

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sun, Oct 24 2004, 03:53:23PM]: #include hallo.h IMHO it's somewhat silly to stop the experiment now and drop testing. Although there are problems with testing, there *are* well-known positives of having it. All the known positives are outweighted

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Gergely Nagy [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:44:58PM]: - unstable lockdown in the freeze - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on synching stuff. This eliminates the need for testing-security. See the last part of the paper for details. Doing

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Steinar H. Gunderson [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:36:16PM]: - unstable lockdown in the freeze - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on synching stuff. This eliminates the need for testing-security. See the last part of the paper for details.

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Joey Hess [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 08:36:18PM]: not look appear as critical for maintainer, or not important enough to touch package in the holy frozzen state). Such bugs are a disaster, they make our definition of a Stable release absurd. Yes, Debian Stable has become a

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Marco d'Itri [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:06:24PM]: On Oct 23, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ABSTRACT You are trying to force developers to work on item x, which they dislike, by forcing them to not work on item y, which they like more. You are apparently oblivious

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Wouter Verhelst [Sun, Oct 24 2004, 11:41:33AM]: Very few bug reports from testing users are of any value at all. I respectfully disagree here. With most of my packages, bugs get filed only when the transition to testing has been complete for quite a while already,

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