Bug#443904: ITP: jugglemaster -- graphical siteswap simulator

2007-09-24 Thread Helmut Grohne
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Helmut Grohne [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: jugglemaster Version : 0.4 Upstream Authors: Gary Briggs, Per Johan Groland, Ken Matsuoka, Greg Gilbert * URL : http://icculus.org/jugglemaster/ * License : GPL

proposed sgml-base 1.16+nmu4 fixing #676717 and #678902

2012-06-27 Thread Helmut Grohne
processing. + + -- Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:09:07 +0200 + sgml-base (1.26+nmu3) unstable; urgency=low * Non-maintainer upload. diff -Nru sgml-base-1.26+nmu3/debian/control sgml-base-1.26+nmu4/debian/control --- sgml-base-1.26+nmu3/debian/control 2012-05-28 13:58

Re: proposed sgml-base 1.16+nmu4 fixing #676717 and #678902

2012-06-28 Thread Helmut Grohne
Dear dpkg maintainers, On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:05:56AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I'm not convinced that a Pre-Depends is the best answer here. I think a better answer would be for the new dpkg to activate all file triggers when it first starts, and for sgml-base to simply use Depends.

Re: x32 port bootstrap is uploaded

2012-11-20 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:10:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Can I also just add the above Debian repo, do --add-architecture, and start replacing some packages? How can I for example, replace perl, on a running server? I would guess that using --add-architecture is a recipe for disaster at

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27:31AM +0400, ?? ?? wrote: I see many note in this list like: I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me. Technically this is a solved problem. The solution is called Mail-Followup-To[1]. Due to the popularity of the Mutt, Gnus, KMail and

Re: Do not CC me

2012-11-26 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:03:54PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: The solution to this is very simple. Have the mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header on each messages. As you pointed out the solution is technically wrong. But, probably, mailman is too stupid to have such kind of

Re: Architecture: all + M-A: foreign

2012-12-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 02:05:13AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: In bug #695229, I noted that an Architecture: all package really should be Multi-Arch: foreign. This led to an IRC discussion between Goswin, Steve L. and me in which I formulated the proposal: If a package is

Re: Bug#696593: ITP: sun -- sun calculates the sun's rise/set times

2013-01-03 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 03:54:06PM +0100, Steffen Vogel wrote: Package name: sun Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Steffen Vogel p...@steffenvogel.de URL : http://www.steffenvogel.de/2012/12/23/cron-jobs-fur-sonnenauf-untergang/ License : GPL

Re: detailed lists with archive contents - more than just Contents

2013-02-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
Since Paul Wise advertised dedup.debian.net already, I have a few more bits. This was an afternoon proof-of-concept thingy that kind of accidentally got a debian.net pointer, but so be it. It seems to be somewhat useful. The service basically records checksums of all regular files in Debian sid

Re: detailed lists with archive contents - more than just Contents

2013-02-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 07:05:08PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote: This indeed looks very useful. However, I don't think it is really useful to trigger on common changelog and copyright files from the same source package as they indeed usually are the same, which is fine of course. Answering this

Bug#702583: ITP: python-ssdeep -- cython wrapper for libfuzzy

2013-03-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de * Package name: python-ssdeep Version : 2.9-0.2 Upstream Author : Philipp Seidel * URL : https://github.com/DinoTools/python-ssdeep * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: Python

Re: detailed lists with archive contents - more than just Contents

2013-04-16 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 03:04:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Will that also detect files in multiarch packages that are not identical? No, it does not do this at the moment. The main reason here is that currently only amd64 is processed. Support for multiple architectures would take a

Bug#705452: docbook-xml: Fail to upgrade due to pre-depend problem

2013-04-18 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 02:58:21PM +1000, Stuart Prescott wrote: Helmut Grohne wrote: The conclusion here is that the only way to fix this bug in sgml-base is to have *no* dependency on dpkg at all. Actually, removing the dependency on dpkg doesn't change the outcome at all -- dpkg

Re: multiarch and interpreters/runtimes

2013-04-19 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:33:07AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: As I pointed out on the debian-perl mailing list, after having discussed about multiarch support for perl, I don't think a fully multiarchified perl (nor at least python) should be uploaded to sid, as going full multiarch on the

Re: multiarch and interpreters/runtimes

2013-04-20 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 04:44:08AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: It seems correct at first glance, but not enough to solve all the issues mentioned. Currently existing package relationships lack information that is necessary to do the right thing in all cases. Consider different kinds of

Re: multiarch and interpreters/runtimes

2013-04-20 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 05:42:52PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Helmut Grohne wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 04:44:08AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: 3) P runs a script using system interpreter X, and depends on the interpreter environment supporting functionality provided by Q. Q needs

Re: multiarch and interpreters/runtimes

2013-04-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 02:42:32AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Should that set of running architectures be just architecture? No. Some packages can have multiple runing architecturs. The most obvious case is M-A:same packages where you can install the same package for multiple architectures.

Re: Issues with Multi-Arch:same packages on purge

2013-04-22 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 07:31:54AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: I guess a way to detect those could be piuparts runs that install multiple instances of Multi-Arch:same packages, purge just one of them, and compare that the packages created by the first instance are not removed, and that other

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-04 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 04:53:59PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: I think there's a consensus, the problem is who's going to do the work for automating dropping of binaries and rebuild. Not implying that I am the one doing this work, I would like to learn more about what needs to be touched to

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 04:08:07PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: 1) IMHO, services/daemons (e.g. apache, ejabberd, etc.) that listen per default on the network (unless loopback only) shouldn't be started per default, after being installed. May I point to /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d? As has

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 12:19:25PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: Fedora updates are different. (And so are Ubuntu updates, if one considers that it's possible to provide fixup scripts to update-manager pre-upgrade.) As long as we're supporting upgrades through plain apt, that's going to be hard.

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 04:51:14PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: It is good to have it released now, but I think we are all (mostly?) agreed that wheezy took longer to release than we would have liked. In particular, the RC bug count didn't drop quickly enough. Thanks for bringing this up! I

Proposed releas goal: Optionally merge /usr

2013-05-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:48:37AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: [ reiterating the same arguments seen numerous times before ] I suggest that we leave practical implications of the /usr merge aside for a moment. The pros and cons have been discussed at lengths. If there is value in further

Re: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:49:51PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: * Remove RC buggy packages sooner rather than later. An RC buggy package should be removed at soon as possible: when the bug is identified, allow a bit of time for the bug to be verified (was it actually an RC bug?), but

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-12 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:08:21PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: This is utter bullshit and you should already know it. Systemd is much more reliable as a whole than any other implementation. I have yet to see a use case where it is not better. With all due respect, this might be utter

Re: detailed lists with archive contents - more than just Contents

2013-05-13 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:48:06AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Both cases would need data for multiple archs. For the second case if identical files are in all foo_arch.deb then those should be in foo-common_all.deb. A dedup across archs instead of across packages. Thanks for

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:05:59AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Having a rock-stable PID 1 is nice and all, but it doesn???t help you if something important crashes. On a production server, if apache crashes and fails to reload properly because the scripts don???t get the ordering right, it

Re: Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-14 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:16:57PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: The binNMU issue entails two ???sub-problems???. The first is the one introduced by different entries in binNMUs on multiple architectures. The other is the unmatched versions for possible out-of-step binNMU versions. I

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 08:59:57AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Helmut Grohne helmut at subdivi.de writes: What are the benefits of using shells other than dash for /bin/sh? (as Why does dash get special treatment, anyway? It was ???suddenly??? in Debian after having been used in Ubuntu

Re: Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
Small side note on this interesting idea: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:59:31AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: The other points are more difficult to solve but would be useful in their own to avoid the problem of small packages considered too heavy due to their meta-data. It might be worth to

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-16 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:39:54PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: As for your requests of data: I do not provide them. As I said above, I???m pushing for freedom of choice, not switching the default; of course I???d be happy with the latter, even more so actually, but it must be a thing not

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: That might be possible with DPAs and if upload management is changed generally to get less broken packages into unstable. E.g. I think that most of the ideas you presented are very useful and other responses have (silently)

systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-22 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:53:43PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: There was a GSoC project in 2012 about generating sysvinit scripts from systemd .service files. Was there some communication about its outcome? I had a look at this idea and its result. From what I saw, I do not believe a

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-23 Thread Helmut Grohne
pointed out some of that functionality as non-essential (e.g. resource limits). On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:39:06PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: * stdout/stderr to syslog redirection This is possibly implementable, but needs more than a line of shell. Do you know about logger(1

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-23 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 07:16:18AM +0200, Zbigniew J??drzejewski-Szmek wrote: Providing a conversion script which recreates all of systemd functionality would basically mean reimplemting a big part of systemd in shell. Providing an interpeter would man reimplementing a big part of systemd in

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-26 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:42:09PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:14 PM, Helmut Grohne wrote: I partly disagree here. A good reason to reimplement part of systemd is to have a portable subset of its functionality. This could be part of the answer to the question of what to do

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-27 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:27:53PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: At the risk of adding another level of indirection, we could add a meta-init format that can generate an appropriate file for any of these. Are you aware of http://wiki.debian.org/MetaInit (packages metainit and dh-metainit)?

Re: Blacklists in BTS (stopping the trolls and bug machines)

2013-05-27 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 09:04:53AM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote: I have an idea ??? maybe we could have a pseudo-package called please-improve (or whatever name we pick), where people can reassign bugreports which they feel they are unable to handle. This pseudo-bug would be monitored by some

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-27 Thread Helmut Grohne
Was there any reason for the additional CCs? I saw no Mail-Followup-To or request for CC, so I dropped them. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 09:22:20AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: Doxygen will use SVG for graph (collaboration, inheritance), SVG is AFAIK one of the best possible representation for

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-27 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:35:48AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de wrote: * Packages shipping .md5 and .map files. Even though these files are small, there can be very many of them adding up to the installation size

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-28 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 09:13:44AM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote: I would be quite happy to write service files for two (systemd, upstart) or three (systemd, upstart, openrc) of those in all my packages[*], if it stops the endless flamewar here. I would also be happy to have the requirement to

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 01:44:12AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: I can't speak to other distributions, but in Debian, the systemd maintainers are in no position to decide that Debian will agree to rewrite its Focusing on position to decide seems less than constructive. I

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
Dear upstart developers, debian-devel@l.d.o has been talking about socket activation interfaces. The technical differences are nicely summarized: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 08:53:52PM +0200, Zbigniew J??drzejewski-Szmek wrote: But chronology is less important then the technical differences between

socket activation interface

2013-06-01 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 03:53:15AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [...] I remember even emailing the Upstart guys about that, but I never got any reply. This was a long long time before Upstart added socket activation. This appears to be the discussion starting with this mail:

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-06-01 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:44:53PM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote: cat php5-fpm.service EOF [Unit] Description=The PHP FastCGI Process Manager After=syslog.target network.target Small nitpick here: Specifying syslog.target in an After is completely unnecessary and counterproductive. At the time

Re: x32 ???half??? arrived??? now what?

2013-06-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 10:23:14AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: tglase@tglase:~ $ fgrep X32 /boot/config-3.9-1-amd64 # CONFIG_X86_X32 is not set See http://wiki.debian.org/X32Port and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg00355.html Helmut -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
Currently awe number of services assume the following setting. A service that retries DNS lookups, does not need to declare a boot ordering relation on a name server. I am currently aware of two examples of this assumption: 1) When using systemd, the DNS server is a socket service, so

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:41:34PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: My feeling is that the user should be told go and run sudo or su in a terminal window you opened manually Otherwise, they can't be sure they are putting their password in a genuine Debian popup. Please explain your threat model.

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
No need to CC me here, see Mail-Followup-To. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 05:36:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I think this is a somewhat different problem to the one you originally state. The real problem here is that resolv.conf is changing and programs don't have the means to cope. Thanks for

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-12 Thread Helmut Grohne
Thanks for all the suggestions on how to implement either On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 05:36:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: A. resolv.conf is a static file which changes only very rarely. Implications: or B. resolv.conf is not static and may change due to network environment changes.

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-12 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 01:42:58PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: I'm not sure why you think systemd changes anything here? One of the main purposes of systemd is to eliminate dependencies and fulfil them with socket activation. When converting init scripts to .service files, this will likely

Re: vision: easily move all my data and config to a new machine

2013-06-25 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 09:28:07PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: If etckeeper were to check in the unmodified versions of the packaged conffiles in a branch called 'dpkg-dist' (or whatever) then it would be trivial to do a diff. Presumably it would be possible to do this in one of the hook

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-29 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 05:02:51PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: Resolvconf supports both mode A and mode B and allows switching between them. With resolvconf installed, (A) so long as a local forwarding nameserver is running, resolv.conf points to this nameserver and thus rarely changes; but

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-07-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
there is no other name server. It should probably be accompanied with a warning comment, because this case should never occur during normal operation. On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:40:03PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: (slightly reordered) Helmut Grohne wrote: It is true, that ntpd can work around

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-07-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
fully agree. Helmut Grohne wrote: Usually any program reads /etc/resolv.conf once on the first DNS lookup. So all daemons started before the local DNS cache will either use a different server, or fail DNS resolution in all cases. A minority of services (avahi-daemon, fetchmail, postfix

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-07-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:24:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: What do you do when you are on a network that blocks DNS lookups that don't go via the DNS servers for that network? Or for networks that do that until you visit a web page and press a button on a form? Manually reconfigure

Re: getaddrinfo() return value chaos

2013-07-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 02:30:33PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: Executive summary: The getaddrinfo() returns different values depending on the OS and on nsswitch.conf settings, making it very difficult to use getaddrinfo() return values to deciding how to handle an error. Thanks for not giving

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:27:22AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: Just a quick idea: Can we (the mysterious somebody) write a drop-in simple dummy init.d script which would take a(ny) systemd service file and run the daemon on non-Linux-kernel systems? I proposed[1] this earlier. The environment

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:32:42PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: In addition to that the wrapper also needs to be able to track the processes started by the systemd service (the admin might want to stop or restart services in addition to starting them), which systemd does by using cgroups.

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:14:43PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On 15/07/13 14:38, Helmut Grohne wrote: Indeed we are out of luck with Type=forking. In the presence of a decent init system daemonizing is the job of the init system. It is uselessly duplicated code. Let's rip that code out

Re: /usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-16 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:38:18PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Imho the overhead between having just /etc vs / encrypted is small, if /var, /usr, /home, /opt are separate mountpoints. Thus to me, treating /etc separately is a misfeature, considering a mounted / assumes /etc must be present.

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:26:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Though if we're going to talk about bugs, even though the kernel audio drivers have long since adapted to meet pulseaudio's requirements, PA itself still manages to turn up some doozies.

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-19 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 07:05:16AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Yeah, I see that. But my original point was that the many griefs and complaints people about PulseAudio have originate from the fact that many people already used it when it simply wasn't ready yet, so it's not fair to

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-20 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2013-07-19 11:56, Helmut Grohne wrote: Neither are yours. PA works fine for me with Bluetooth headsets and regular sound cards on GNOME. Leaving regular gnome-bluetooth crashes aside (that crash the shell, yay). I am aware

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-20 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:49:07PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: Did you see the examples of asoundrc I posted? PulseAudio removes all this non-sense by providing mixing in almost all situations (while Alsa is doing it out of the box only for analog output), correct setup of output (no need to

Re: Status of deb(5) format support in Debian

2013-08-01 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 06:56:40PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm myself guilty of having implemented, back in 2007, python-debian's support to manipulate .deb files: the debian.debfile module. It is yet another Python implementation of deb(5), because back in the days there was no

python-debian: switch ar implementation to python-arpy

2013-08-01 Thread Helmut Grohne
Package: python-debian Version: 0.1.21+nmu2 Severity: wishlist Control: block -1 by 704594 On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 04:19:42PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Can you please file a bug report about that (ideally marking the pending ITPs as blockers for it)? Regarding changing interfaces it

Re: Non-identical files with identical md5sums on Debian systems?

2013-08-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 10:24:59PM -0700, Vincent Cheng wrote: On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com wrote: I do occasionally check for identical files on different systems by comparing their md5sums. So, just out of interest, could someone tell me (how to

Re: new hashes (SHA512, SHA3) in apt metadata and .changes files?

2013-08-05 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 01:33:24PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: AIUI SHA-512 is faster than SHA-256 on many processors, and not usually slower on the others. If the hashes are too long, they can be truncated. Not that, I think it matters, but this got me interested. It appears that in practice

Re: Less dinstall FTW?

2013-09-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
Thanks for your explanations! On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 02:39:09PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: As this suite is much smaller than the full archive, updating it can be done with much less overhead and is done with every cron.unchecked run. Packages.gz (amd64) is just 98 kb, Sources.gz is 180

Re: First autoremovals happen in about 8 days

2013-10-09 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 07:36:57PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: Did you try to run rc-alert recently ? The output is totally overwhelming for something that is to run on several computers and several times by month. Most of the bugs are reported against important packages that cannot be

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Helmut Grohne
maybe provide an easy support path for sysvinit on non-linux platforms for a large number of simple services. There's a subthread about that starting at https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01309.html Helmut Grohne (Cced) did most of the work on analyzing those possibilities

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Steve, On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:31:37AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:22:54AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: Having read the parts of the ctte bug, it feels odd to preclude the option of supporting multiple init systems from discussion or consideration

Re: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Thorsten, On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 04:05:48PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: * Write scripts for one system and generate the other from it or even * Write ???Debian init declaration??? and let something take care of generating an initscript and whatever the other systems use out of it

Re: Proposal: let???s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Thorsten, On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:30:03PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli zack at debian.org writes: *technical* decision is stupid. We really need to stop thinking that every single member of the Debian project, just because he/she is a DD, has a clue on every

Re: automatically cross-grading lib32nss-mdns to libnss-mdns:i386?

2013-11-02 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 01:28:59PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: In nss-mdns/experimental, I tried this: Package: libnss-mdns Architecture: any Multi-Arch: same Package: lib32nss-mdns Architecture: i386 Depends: libnss-mdns (= ${binary:Version}) Description:

Cross-directory hard links in Debian packages

2013-11-13 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi, The tar file format supports hard links. Thus technically Debian packages can contain hard links. A significant number of packages including key packages such as bzip2, gzip, and ifupdown use this technique. While same-directory hard links are an established practise, the same is not so true

Re: Cross-directory hard links in Debian packages

2013-11-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:11:27PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: So you save a small number of inodes, and get problems if the filesystem's layout is unconventional. Such savings don't seem to be worth the trouble to me. I was questioning the existence of said trouble. I still do that. If the

Re: Cross-directory hard links in Debian packages

2013-11-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:50:05PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I'm not sure that making a general rule based on an edge-case is a good idea. Publican is not very popular at all, it's quite likely that none of the 70 or so people who have installed it have done anything unusual with mounts

Re: Bug#682045: libtool: please mark libtool multi-arch: allowed

2014-01-12 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 07:20:40PM +, Colin Watson wrote: If you weren't one of the people in the thinking extremely hard about multiarch BOF at DebConf, note that Multi-Arch: foreign denotes a point in the dependency graph where you're allowed to switch architectures, Multi-Arch: allowed

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Pere, On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 10:31:09PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: The idea is to let init.d scripts look like this: #!/lib/init/init-d-script ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: daemon # Required-Start:$remote_fs $syslog # Required-Stop: $remote_fs

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Ansgar, I am sorry to tell you that you are completely missing the point. On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:35:17AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 02/06/2014 10:56, Helmut Grohne wrote: The relevant bits can be found in insserv, watch out for /lib/init/upstart-job. The current version

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:47:24AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: actions on services). Do I misunderstand how upstart-job work? If I install a package with an upstart job and a symlink to /lib/init/upstart-job from /etc/init.d/ on Hurd, will it work? Testing... Nope, did not work:

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 12:34:49PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: I'm sure we've been over this, on this very list, in several previous threads. I used to think this was a great idea, too; I've been convinced that it isn't feasible. Yes, I concur with the reasoning that I didn't quote here. In

systemd's journal

2014-02-16 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 02:53:39PM +0400, Oleg wrote: scp /var/log/syslog ... Why do i need an unneeded layer for this - journalctl? Heh. Maybe we can turn this into a useful question: Assume that I have a broken system (maybe the disk is partially broken or it got owned and I don't want to

Re: when will we finally throw away binary uploads (Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-16 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:17:46PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: nope, it's worse than you think: the arch specific package built on the developers machine (in a random^wnon predicatable environment) will not be rebuild, there are also no build logs available. See

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-17 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:59:11AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Before you go too far down this path, I'd like to suggest that you do something which makes it possible to provide init system configuration for other than sysvinit, at the same time. And that you use an arrangement which uses a

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-17 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and I know about this feature. I expect the sound to be over headphones only, yet it's

Re: systemd's journal

2014-02-18 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:18:08PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: For the record: If the recovery system does run systemd, you go journalctl -D /path/to/your/journal/copy. Small correction here: The recovery system needs to have systemd *installed*, not running. All you need is the journalctl

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-18 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:17:53AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: but it takes care of the Future part. For the past one, obviously you'll have to ask PA to enumerate the sink's inputs and then move them to the new default one by one. The pavucontrol GUI doesn't do that currently, but it

Re: systemd's journal

2014-02-18 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 08:05:12PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: It's just occurred to me that the binary format may not work with append only logging? That's true for the journal. When the journal opens its binary log, it flags the file as being opened, but what is the issue with not being

Re: RSA vs ECDSA (Was: Bits from keyring-maint: Pushing keyring updates. Let us bury your old 1024D key!)

2014-03-06 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 02:33:23PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Umh, I feel I have to answer this message, but I clearly don't have enough information to do so in an authoritative way¹. AIUI, ECDSA has not been shown to be *stronger* than RSA ??? RSA works based on modulus operations, ECDSA on

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-11 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:38:24PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: As the maintainer of the pam package in Debian, I assure you: this is a bug in dirmngr. System services should not (must not) call interfaces that launch pam sessions as part of their init scripts. su is one of those interfaces.

Re: howto handle jquery embedding by build-depends

2014-05-12 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 11:45:24AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: This is a bug in doxygen. Replacing the embedded jquery copy in the Debian package shipping it with a link to the jquery version in Debian should be the right thing to do. Maybe this Your criticism is unconstructive. I agree that

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 11:12:01PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Surely, it should be an OPT-IN choice, not an OPT-OUT one? I'm talking upgrades here, not new installs. I have no clue why we are continuing to discuss this. The ctte resolution says that the default init system for Linux

Re: Can a leaf package require SSE2 on i386?

2014-09-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:47:27AM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: The bottom line is that julia needs SSE2 (and porting it to the x87 FPU requires changes that are beyond what I am willing/able to do, see [1] for more details). And the presence of SSE2 is not guaranteed on the i386

Re: Doxygen and embedded jquery problem, how to solve?

2014-10-30 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 03:59:44PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: IMO the proper solution is for Debian packaging of doxygen to untangle jQuery from extensions, depend on + symlink the jQuery part, provide the extensions as a shared package, and patch doxygen code to generate docuementation

Re: Doxygen and embedded jquery problem, how to solve?

2014-10-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Jonas, On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:37:48AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Please file RFP bugs for your needs (or if already filed please reference which are the relevant ones). I have no clue about this JavaScript stuff and little intentions to learn it. After my inquiry, Doxygen upstream

on reloading services from logrotate

2014-11-18 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:25:44AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: There are (at least) three things that start services (i.e. init scripts, systemd units or Upstart jobs): * invoke-rc.d, intended to be called from maintainer scripts * service, intended to be called by the sysadmin * the

Re: Can/should we have an efi/efi-any platform architecture?

2014-12-17 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 08:49:55PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: On 11/12/14 18:08, Leif Lindholm wrote: The point is, when we add support for another architecture which supports UEFI, there are a number of packages that you will want to enable for that architecture. I've occasionally

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