Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes ("Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > [...] I have not taught dgit how to convert [separate Debian > > packaging-only repository and upstream source repository] into a git > > t

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Ansgar writes ("Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git"): > On Fri, 2019-05-03 at 15:59 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Ansgar writes ("Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from > > tarballs to git"): >

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-03 Thread Ian Jackson
er's branch structure to try to figure out which version corresponds to what is in the archive. Have the maintainer's history. This is usually in a format useful to the maintainer, but it is not standardised. It may be the packaging history for a whole packaging ecos

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Hutchings writes ("Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git"): > On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 11:23 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Sorry for shouting, but, really. It is kind of frustrating to have > > designed and implemented and de

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
do not notice if you only use gbp and dput. What is happening there is that you are uploading a different thing to what you have in git, and not noticing. We don't tell people to not use lintian because it produces error messages, do we ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
user with a useable and correct and standardised git branch which can be used for building the package, developing patches, and sharing the results. The problem of streamlining the Debian maintainer's upload process to be more like "git push" remains. -- Ian JacksonThese

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-04-30 Thread Ian Jackson
s saying this stuff? I think we should have a separate manpage. This kind of conversion stuff is (hopefully) used rarely. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git

2019-04-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Gard Spreemann writes ("Preferred git branch structure when upstream moves from tarballs to git"): > Recently, upstream has finally started using git. What is the > recommended way for me to maintain a sane branch structure for the > packaging repository while starting to use upstream's git master

Re: Discussion on eventual transition away from source packages

2019-04-23 Thread Ian Jackson
y pick apart the tag and feed the results to gpgv (and to work around infelicites in gpgv). Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Reg: Debian Source code

2019-03-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Boyuan Yang writes ("Re: Reg: Debian Source code"): > Here are some resources that I am aware of: > > * By running "apt source ", you will be able to retrieve the > source code for that certain source package that corresponds to the > you indicated. `dgit clone ' does the same but ensures that

Re: gbp-buildpackage showing change outside debian/, possibly after DEP-14 conversion

2019-03-14 Thread Ian Jackson
arning about this at some point, depending on at what stage you invoked dgit.) See https://manpages.debian.org/testing/dgit/dgit.7.en.html#GITATTRIBUTES for a discussion of the issue and https://manpages.debian.org/testing/dgit/dgit.1.en.html (search forward for `attrib') for details of what

Bug#924037: Please add anacron back to task-desktop and task-laptop

2019-03-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Init Diversity team debian-init-divers...@chiark.greenend.org.uk should be consulted so that the appropriate fixes can be developed. Finally, this change is rather late wrt the freeze. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.o

Re: FYI/RFC: early-rng-init-tools

2019-02-28 Thread Ian Jackson
If the RC4 were critical to the security properties of your scheme, then I would be making a much stronger complaint, because RC4 is (of course) broken (when used as a supposedly cryptographically secure pseudorandom bitstream generator). I hope you have found this review helpful. Regards, Ian.

Re: FYI/RFC: early-rng-init-tools

2019-02-28 Thread Ian Jackson
on next boot, assuming that either (i) the entropy estimate provided on next boot is no bigger than the kernel's entropy counter at shutdown OR (ii) the kernel's PRNG was at any time properly seeded so that /dev/random unblocked. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I

Re: FYI/RFC: early-rng-init-tools

2019-02-28 Thread Ian Jackson
ol design. But my knowledge is rather out of date since I left academia and I have not reviewed Thorsten's design in detail. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Use of the Build-Conflicts field

2019-02-22 Thread Ian Jackson
d RC; and the answer seems to be that people think it isn't. I also expect that subject to the constraint that this won't generate RC bugs, people will be generally happy to have policy write down roughly what the criteria are for putting in a Build-Conflicts. Ian. -- Ian

Re: Removal of linux-base from jessie-backports broke Xen upstream CI

2019-02-14 Thread Ian Jackson
of feedback then of course next time I can not write it up as a learning opportunity for Debian. I can just work around it instead. Rhonda D'Vine writes ("Re: Removal of linux-base from jessie-backports broke Xen upstream CI"): > On 2/13/19 1:09 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > >

Re: Removal of linux-base from jessie-backports broke Xen upstream CI

2019-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
he setup, so this ought not to cause snapshot any difficulties.) Thanks to everyone behind snapshot.d.o which is, as ever, invaluable. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Removal of linux-base from jessie-backports broke Xen upstream CI

2019-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
t (from June!) that I missed; https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-announce/2018/07/msg0.html I have to say I'm not sure this removal is very helpful but then I'm not helping maintain -backports so I guess my opinion doesn't carry much weight. Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Removal of linux-base from jessie-backports broke Xen upstream CI

2019-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
ke the most plausible explanation. I haven't so far found any explanation somewhere but perhaps I looked in the wrong places. Q. Why was linux-base removed from jessie-backports ? Opinions and suggestions welcome. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I ema

Re: Recreating history of a package

2019-02-12 Thread Ian Jackson
it could be easily > modified to grab the entire history of the package (as defined by it's > changelog). Cool, thanks! Have you considered making a package of it ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk

Re: Hierarchical tasksel / Blends support (Was: Debian Installer Buster Alpha 5 release)

2019-02-12 Thread Ian Jackson
tc or freenode, or email me here. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Recreating history of a package

2019-02-11 Thread Ian Jackson
rom snapshot in version number order, one might write something to look inside the package at the changelogs to try to discern the branch structure. I think the Launchpad folks have some code which can do this. Ian. [1] Caution: may not be true. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I

Re: Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Ian Jackson
t. Realistically our sensible choices for the default are C.UTF-8 One of en_{AU,GB,NZ}.UTF-8 All of these would be better than en_US.UTF-8 for the reasons given by Adam (although, Adam, really, could you try to be a little less rude?). The middle-endian dates and 12-hour clock are particularly p

Re: Reusing source package name of long-removed, unrelated package

2019-02-06 Thread Ian Jackson
y package name is sometimes better than picking a new name. To Gard: waiting for a few more opinions and then deciding is a good plan. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Reusing source package name of long-removed, unrelated package

2019-02-06 Thread Ian Jackson
rior package - unless it had some kind of ad-hoc and unreliable heuristic, perhaps. Someone who searches for archived bugs for your source package will find their search results contain bugs for the previous package of the same name. Also, using a different name means you do not need to use an epoc

Re: Is multiple-layers of alternatives a good thing to users?

2019-02-03 Thread Ian Jackson
; actually invoked. I agree that multiple layers of alternatives indirection is undesirable. But I think these libraries can be made coinstallable without that. HTH. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-25 Thread Ian Jackson
dreds or thousands of values of fixcvsdiff. > Either way, > the fact remains that if untrusted/unsanitised input is being passed > into your @ARGV, then something is already wrong. It is worth > noting that it took a real (embarged) RCE exploit to get the wheels in > motion to ev

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts"): > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 03:18:40PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > To the Debian Perl maintainers: [...] > > To the Debian security team: [...] > > I've read the whole thread and am surprised &qu

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-25 Thread Ian Jackson
hypothetical fixed <> (ii) we're probably in a small minority of a tiny minority here (iii) changing the workaround so it works for both is easy. So I think this was a reasonable question to ask, but the answer is that this is very unlikely to be a significant problem. Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts"): > Even if we care only about scripts which are part of Debian, rather > than scripts which people merely expect to run on Debian (and where > they trust Debian to not blow their leg off), there will probably be &

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-24 Thread Ian Jackson
lions of scripts. Even if we care only about scripts which are part of Debian, rather than scripts which people merely expect to run on Debian (and where they trust Debian to not blow their leg off), there will probably be many thousands. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I em

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts"): > The right answer is to fix the behaviour to be secure and sane by > default. We can arrange for an environment variable for people who > want to turn the crazy back on. To the Debian Perl maintainers: if I make a

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-24 Thread Ian Jackson
the "formal specification" (such as it is) of the behaviour of <>. The right answer is to fix the behaviour to be secure and sane by default. We can arrange for an environment variable for people who want to turn the crazy back on. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions a

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts"): > Vincent Lefevre writes ("Potentially insecure Perl scripts"): > > I've just reported > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=920269 > > against gropdf (also reported up

Re: Potentially insecure Perl scripts

2019-01-23 Thread Ian Jackson
ami|" got iwj $ This is completely mad and IMO the bug is in perl, not in all of the millions of perl scripts that used <> thinking it was a sensible thing to write. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Conflict over /usr/bin/dune

2019-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
is thread and also opposite to Debian policy. Under the circumstances I felt I wouldn't be listened to if I simply petitioned the maintainers of what is now src:dune again, so I have escalated this to the TC. See #919951. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you f

Re: quilt + dpkg + debhelper: Handling upstream files containing spaces

2019-01-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Mike Gabriel writes ("Re: quilt + dpkg + debhelper: Handling upstream files containing spaces"): > On Mi 09 Jan 2019 16:13:57 CET, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I do have an idea how to fix this: a source package format > > `3.0 (rsync)', which could represent any d

Re: quilt + dpkg + debhelper: Handling upstream files containing spaces

2019-01-09 Thread Ian Jackson
is big, then this is not a good approach. I do have an idea how to fix this: a source package format `3.0 (rsync)', which could represent any delta. But that project is stalled at a conceptual stage, mostly due to the need to support existing ftpmaster workflow :-/. Regards, Ian. -- Ian

Re: Unicode License Additional Coverage

2019-01-04 Thread Ian Jackson
copyright.html#License. > > Among other files, that directory contains IVD_Sequences.txt, which > emacs (among other packages) uses. The license ambiguity for that > file had been a concern for someone. Thanks for your work on chasing this up. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are

Re: Nix and non-standard-toplevel-dir

2019-01-03 Thread Ian Jackson
y exception for this, > since it's a single edge case. Instead, I think it's a good use of a > Lintian override documenting what's going on. Obviously, if Nix becomes > really popular in the long run, we can then go back and write this into > Policy. This is a good appro

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-25 Thread Ian Jackson
ere, but this thread was about the process anyway. My inclination is to trust Dmitry's judgement about when to take steps such as those described here. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-12-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Mo Zhou writes ("Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > We (Julia maintainers) reached an agreement to revert the name of NEW > binary package "libjulia1" back to "libjulia0.7", and upload the ugly > package to unstable after a week or ten days, in order to bypass the NEW >

Re: Conflict over /usr/bin/dune

2018-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Conflict over /usr/bin/dune"): > https://www.google.com/search?q=dune+software > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(software) > https://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fdune > > Under the circumstances it seems obvious that, at the very

Re: Conflict over /usr/bin/dune

2018-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
dia.org/wiki/Dune_(software) https://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fdune Under the circumstances it seems obvious that, at the very least, the ocaml build tool should not be allowed the name /usr/bin/dune. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address

Re: Conflict over /usr/bin/dune

2018-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
they couldn't be bothered to do a Debian file search, https://www.google.com/search?q=dune+software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(software) https://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fdune Under the circumstances it seems obvious that no-one should be allowed the name /usr/bin/dune.

Re: Tainted builds (was Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)

2018-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
we want to capture some additional data of this kind, because someone will pop up and say `my build system is like this and it is fine' or whatever. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Tainted builds (was Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)

2018-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
ot;. :) And how to define "proper". This is being discussed in more detail in debian-policy (thread on #824495). I like your /usr/local taints. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: wicd-daemon-run_1.0_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-11-29 Thread Ian Jackson
don't want to change it, but we should avoid that approach where we can. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Bug#914897: debootstrap, buster: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-11-28 Thread Ian Jackson
it will be most convenient to file a separate bug for that. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Bug#914898: debootstrap, stretch-backports: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-11-28 Thread Ian Jackson
e redirect me if I am wrong.) -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-27 Thread Ian Jackson
that means that while a properly planned and executed transition to mandatory merged-/usr might well have offered overall technical benefits for the Debian ecosystem, this is not now socially possible and pressing on is not worth the social costs of being seen to bulldoze opposition. Ian. -- Ian J

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > We can then have this discussion again early in the bullseye release > > cycle. If we must. > > That idea makes me wince. This will just result in the same thing > happening again. Let

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-26 Thread Ian Jackson
allegedly fixed ? I think this is just outsourcing the pain of bad design choices, frankly. If we must get to merged-usr on all systems eventually, Adam's proposed transition plan is much better. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.

Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
tation. This seems like a good reason to me to override the lintian warning. In any case, please can we have the package ACCEPTed and bugs filed so that we can discuss this in the BTS ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: individual packages moving binaries from /bin to /usr/bin (was: Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
ject to the caveat that the results from a merged-usr build are not of general applicability and should be used only in a closed environment where all the target systems are also merged-usr. Does that make sense ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > This is a much better summary of the thread, and I wish that you would > have said this instead of claiming incorrectly that those same people are > the ones advocating for a full merge of all systems. Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > Ian Jackson writes: > >> "We ran into some unanticipated issues when we usrmerged our build > >> systems, and we think the way to fix that is to force merge every one > >> of our users' systems.

Do not contact this person IRL either (Re: I resigned in 2004)

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
ice is actually necessary but it seems wise to write it.) Excuse the shouting, but, really. It is very unfortunate that I am having to explain these rather basic principles. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Chris Lamb writes ("Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)"): > Ian Jackson wrote: > >[..] Compared to REJECT mails: > > - Discussions in the BTS are more transparent > > - Discussions in the BTS are better organised > &

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > On Nov 22, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > > > So far nobody reported anything significant. > > > > I hear there was a major free software pr

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > So far nobody reported anything significant. I hear there was a major free software project who accidentally usrmerged their build systems and discovered that they then built broken packgaes. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese o

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)"): > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:52:48PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Because: > > ... > > thanks! nice summary. I replied in my other mail to the things I disagreed with (as

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
users' systems." That does seem to be the position that is being advanced. It's quite striking, isn't it ? At the very least more comprehensive thought and planning is needed. And very probably more time. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
d on the grounds that it should be in experimental rather than unstable. Unless it's an overrideable auto-REJECT of course. As I say, I'm a fan of those. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:19:33PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Why is any of this a reason for an ftpmaster REJECT ? I still think > > all of this should be handled as bugs (possibly RC bugs) in the BT

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Henriksson writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > Here's a dumbed down narrative for you: Svante's message was pretty bad but yours is even worse. Would everyone please stop it. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from a

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Ian Jackson
l we have a transition plan which we can discuss and possibly get rough consensus on. Personally what I have seen so far gives me little confidence. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes ("Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > > On 2018/10/25 12:24, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Ian Jackson writes ("Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > >>> My main concern here is this: AFAICT this package has b

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > On Nov 20, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Another question is, why? > > It has been documented here long ago: https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge . I looked at that page and it has no rationale. > You are misconstructing the arguments in favour of merge

Re: Requesting input for pjproject/asterisk packaging

2018-11-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Marc Haber writes ("Re: Requesting input for pjproject/asterisk packaging"): > b. The multi tarball feature of dpkg-source would be helpful for a > number of other packages, it's about time that someone seriously uses > it. I have been using it for Xen in stretch-security and it all WFM. The runes

Re: Iptables on Sid

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
package broken in some package like docker and etc. Please see this page about how to report a bug: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
st one important component which *requires* hardcoded paths in their critical configuration files. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Klumpp writes ("Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin"): > Ideally the build system would correctly detect an usr-merged system > and set paths accordingly. I don't know how that would be possible. If it's determined to hardcode a path, the correct path to hardcode depends

Re: git vs dfsg tarballs

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: git vs dfsg tarballs"): > On 19.11.18 13:52, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think that most of the workflows recommended in these manpages > > > > > > https://manpages.debian.org/stretch-backports/dgit/dgit

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
ch package the usrmerge change is in, so that you can file a bug report. I think that bug report should be RC. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
e is generating RC bugs in packages, and should be reverted. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: git vs dfsg tarballs

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
n.html ought to have the property I describe above, which I think is sufficient for you ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
n master but nobody says it has to) and all the changes > integrated into master and the contributors changes will end up in the > next release without any "messy" history due to reverts. Precisely. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: I resigned in 2004

2018-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
t be a forgery or something, then that should be done privately and with great care. It should be accompanied by an apology; and the message should probably be reviewed for tone and content by someone other than the author. But I agree that this will almost never be necessary. Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Colin Watson writes ("Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such"): > Honestly, I think it's better for Debian as a whole that people should > be able to do that kind of bulk cleanup with absolutely minimal > friction, I absolutely agree. The disruption from this kind of thing is minimal, and

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-09 Thread Ian Jackson
We're talking about a commit that a DD thought was very likely a good idea. Were they wrong ? It would be nice to have a proper reference. It might be nice to have clearer guidance about exactly what level of certainty a DD ought to have before making such a commit. Ian. -- Ian JacksonT

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?"): > I don't want this to turn into "us vs. them", and I'm trying not to get > drawn into a debate about the merits of these approaches because I can > already see how much time and motivation that will burn if it happens, >

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?"): > On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 13:32:40 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > pinentry-gnome3 and pulseaudio seem wrong to me. PINs should not be > > shared between login sessions and sound control should be

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Ian Jackson
So I promised that I would summarise. I found that trying to write a summary involved me doing a bit of research, and that not everyone in the thread seemed to agree about everything. To make a coherent picture I had to make some suppositions, which may well be wrong. So I'd appreciate a review

Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
lternatives to systemd, please join this mailman list http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-init-diversity We are particularly in need of more `desktoppy' expertise. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.

Re: Mass bugfiling potential: bundled implementation of md5

2018-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
ll, one implementation of it at least.) That seems rather tenuous, compared to the amount of effort involved in this programme to get rid of the use of embedded md5 copies. Anyone want to suggest a further or better benefit ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed yo

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-10-29 Thread Ian Jackson
able feature to automatically turn an MR into a series of patchbomb emails rather than one email?) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-10-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > Lumin writes ("Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > > 1. Isn't "incomplete backtrace" a sensible reason to keep debug symbols? > >Policy said "should" but

Re: Mass bugfiling potential: bundled implementation of md5

2018-10-25 Thread Ian Jackson
ctually expect to have to update the md5 implementation somehow, there is little practical purpose. Loosening transitions like this generally makes life easier for users and downstreams. And our own official backports repo is only one of our downstreams. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are m

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: no{thing} build profiles"): > Minimal installation size is *not* the only goal here. Ease of use and > lack of surprise is important to. Personally, I'd much rather have > numerous unused packages installed than to have something break in an > opaque way when I try to us

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Ivan Shmakov writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support "): > Ian Jackson writes: > > Please come to debian-init-divers...@chiark.greenend.org.uk. > > Do you plan to also make that list accessible via NNTP (perhaps > via

Re: "debian.pool.ntp.org" for Debian derivatives?

2018-10-18 Thread Ian Jackson
probably sue you for the money. TBH I doubt they would get you prosecuted or sue you - because they're not that kind of people and wouldn't want to harm the free software community = but I hope you will agree that you should act legally! Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my ow

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Is this advocacy subthread really useful ? If we have bugs to report in systemd stuff we should report them in the BTS, not debate them on debian-devel. Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:38:06PM +0200, Bastian B

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Ian Jackson
of this also works on a system with > sysvinit? Obviously it would be better to make ti work with cron. Ideally it would go into cron.daily which I assume works with systemd too. But if you do just the systemd thing, I think if someone sends you a patch to make it work with cron I think you

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Ian Jackson
KatolaZ writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > The problem that spurred this thread is that sysvinit needs a > maintainer. That's why some of us are here: our intention is to help > with maintaining sysvinit in Debian if possible, since we will keep > maintai

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > Ian, cc'ing you to make you aware of this discussion, in case you > aren't, and give you an opportunity to comment on your aim to adopt > sysvinit package from some time ago. Thanks. That's very he

Re: Bug#910446: NMU diff (substantive patches in git-format-patch form)

2018-10-15 Thread Ian Jackson
for a way to *extend* rather than *specify* the flake8 ignore list. I found that it is possible to fish the existing list out of the relevant python module, but I didn't know how to write such a programmatic thing in setup.cfg. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I em

Re: Bug#910446: NMU diff (substantive patches in git-format-patch form)

2018-10-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Guido Günther writes ("Re: Bug#910446: NMU diff (substantive patches in git-format-patch form)"): > On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 03:36:49PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Hi. I fixed this bug, and some other FTBFS, and am about to upload > > the result. I'm doing this my

Re: Asciidoc transition to the python3 implementation or just EOL

2018-10-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Asciidoc transition to the python3 implementation or just EOL"): > I know nothing about this. What are the relative advantages and > disadvantages of asciidoctor vs asciidoc ? Do they process the same > documents in exactly the same way ? It occ

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