Re: Debian Birthday in Netcraft

2003-08-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:03:50PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: I'm not even sure how they derive that information, Debian's Apache might provide it in the banner information (Since when? BTW, has this always been the case?) but many other web servers in Debian won't. This

debian menu system and capital letters

2003-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi all, A small annoyance I have with debian's menu system is an inconsistency in the naming of programs on the menus: Apps/Tools ASclock EditRes Oclock ... bbpager docker ... The ordering of the menu is dictated by the menu system rather

Re: debian menu system and capital letters

2003-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +0100, Jason Chambers wrote: You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. sort=tolower($title) Then run update-menus to regenerate them. I've had a play around with this, and found that putting a

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:00:05PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: if I get kernel 2.4.22 as a debian package I expect kernel 2.4.22 as a debian package, not something else... any debian specific changes should result in kernel name change, that's what's expected in kernel world (when I get ac

Re: [debian-devel] Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:48:09AM +, Magos?nyi ?rp?d wrote: I guess having kernel-image-vanilla and/or kernel-image-onlybugfix in debian would not hurt. Or kernel-image-hx ... what caught me out was believing kernel-image-2.4.xx or whatever was relatively pristine. However naive that makes

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:12:38PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 03:05:56PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: All he had to do was install an older version of libc6 and every other package would have been happy. All the infrastructure is there to do this, the old packages are

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen. So your substantive reason is: The name of the new package

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Andrew Pimlott wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...) Add something like this to the

kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help alleviate that initial perception, IMO. Why not libc6-linux-headers? I'm in two minds

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:21:11AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed seperate from libc? Ths issue is not whether

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:14:31PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 05-Nov-03, 19:14 (CST), Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering about the naming scheme for linux packages - kernel-*. Why not linux-kernel-* or linux

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:43:52PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering about the naming scheme for linux packages - kernel-*. Why not linux-kernel-* or linux-* ? If alternative

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: What not rename linux-kernel-headers to simple system-headers-linux? This will prevent confused users (or: lazy to read the description users) from asking this again and again. system-headers-linux is a bit vague and without

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:24PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:37:16PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:32AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: What not rename linux-kernel

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:04:00PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: Andrew Lau wrote: So is vrms now up for a name change before the real RMS decides to sue us for misrepresenting him! = ) Nominations are now open. debian-legalint I think this one, or a variation, has good prospects.. --

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: Hello, I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. (1) What is the best language to start with?

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: For personal pet projects, I use 2 spaces per nesting level. Some people think that's Pure Evil(tm), Most noteably perhaps, Linus Torvalds, although... although I fully agree with you about wasting screen real estate in 80 columns

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has been doing work without telling anybody about it. So, _both_ people involved should have

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:17:26PM -0800, A.J. Rossini wrote: Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:50:29PM -0800, A.J. Rossini wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To install a package directly, with apt downloading any necessary

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:06:41PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Similarly, to check the build depends of a source package file: apt-get build-dep apt-listchanges-1.49-11104cl.src.rpm Should this be the job of apt-get? Fetching a list of build-depends is a similar job to that performed by

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:08:17PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Afaik: 2.4.23 contains literally 100s of changes, one of these was a small change to do_brk(), which looked like a normal non-critical bugfix to everybody involved. Some time later Debian was hacked and backtracing how the

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:53:54PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure that's a good idea. I'm using Gnome and I'd like to keep a simple applications' menu, not having hundred entries like in my debian's menu. Having too many entries in a menu

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:19:24AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... apt-get build-dep somesourcepackage ... apt-get build-deb ... Just to clarify, build-dep is the proposed action rather than build-deb? -- Jon Dowland

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:10:27PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:10:56PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Should this be the job of apt-get? Fetching a list of build-depends is a similar job to that performed by apt-cache for other fields. I always associate apt-get

Re: socket-based activation has unmaintainable security?

2013-02-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 6 Feb 2013, at 17:37, Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name wrote: Do we finally have mechanisms to start processes without root but with elevated capabilities? We also need fallback for non Capability-capable supported kernels (wow that's an awkward sentence) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#702844: marked as done (general: imposible to shutdown or logout graphically in gnome-shell)

2013-03-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I think gnome-shell-extensions has an extension that changes the behaviour to what you desire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:06:26AM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298.

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:30:46AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Additionally, if you don't want to see them, you can append ;avatar=no. I'll also enable this to be set by default using cookies too. [But since the BTS doesn't use cookies at all currently, please don't hold your breath.] Don't

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 03:06:47PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: In this case, though, what about making the request on the BTS' side? This would reveal nothing about the user who actually reads a bug page to gravatar. The bandwidth needed to do so is totally negligible. I think that's what

Re: Bug#703762: ITP: jdownloader -- download manager for one-click hosting sites

2013-03-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
solution. Then we end up stuck with the sub-optimal solution. I think downloader packages where required for licensing reasons are an uneasy necessary evil, but for when the maintainer doesn't have time to package something? This seems like a really slippery slope to me. -- Jonathan Dowland

Re: Bug#704124: codename 'rc-buggy' not handled correctly

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
That explains why rc-buggy started showing up against experimental packages on packages.debian.org. I assumed it was a PDO bug. I guess everyone has stopped laughing now. Can we get rid of it? (It's also very misleading). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:32:57PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: on a more personal note, why oh why would you ever want the system to suspend when you close the lid? That's what a suspend button is for. My suspend button requires a function modifier and is ignored if the screen saver is

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:48:09PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: If a package fails to do what it is supposed to do, isn't that a valid argument that it is RC? No. Or virtually every bug would be RC. gnome-power-manager is meant to suspend a user's laptop when they shut the lid and put it in

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-03-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to #677792, sadly too late for wheezy now but I'm still interested. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130331081939.GA25996@debian

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:48:08AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: IMO it's important to remember that it's fundamentally the release team that is at fault for problems here, not the R maintainer. Can you please remind me what you do for Debian? Aside from flame debian-devel. I've forgotten.

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:15:17AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote: So help speeding up the release process. The universal rebuttal to all complaints about the release process. Sadly it misses the point at the heart of most complaints: far too much work is needed to become release-ready, and there is not

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 07:57:50AM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: I don't think the time for this discussion is now, so I'll restrain myself from saying more. The release is near, and there's going to be plenty of time until the next freeze :) When the pain of the freeze will be a fast-fading

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:45:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: You seem to believe that unstable is more important than stable releases. I do not. One of us is in the wrong project. If, you are suggesting here, that the release process in Debian is utterly set in stone and nobody may raise

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 05:18:53PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: This can/should preferably be configurable, defaulting to the Debian BTS. Derivatives should be encouraged to override the defaults accordingly. In the case of our bts tool, I think it would be rather too much work to

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 07:13:05PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: My point. Sorry Ben! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130402204348.GC5048@debian

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
The NEW queue is not just for double-checking licenses. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013040318.GB11273@debian

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 4 Apr 2013, at 20:16, Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name wrote: otherwise the workflow becomes clumsier Just to be clear, did you read Russ' blog - are you referring to the merge trick he uses in his workflow for this purpose? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. Why? Is there already some logic/templates in Debian that I could build on? dh-make-perl perhaps? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar bugs are

threads, Subjects: and mailers (was Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate))

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:28:32AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Fix your mailer… I see precisely one thread, correctly linked together via message-id and references headers, with

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 02:52:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: If I upload new packages A and B, that A depends and B, and that A gets approved, but B doesn't, then we end up with package A being in Debian, but never installable. Has this ever happened? I believe the FTP masters do look at

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:11:05AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: That was the part I didn't understand. What are people doing to solve this generated files at release problem? I've solved this as upstream and a Debian developer by having tarballs. Run the 'dist' stages as part of the 'build'

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe harbor. Does it mean

Re: Bug#704686: ITP: ruby-arr-pm -- RPM reader and writer Ruby library

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:33:20PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: This ruby gem is needed by FPM (see my ITP[0]). Hi Laurent, thanks for the clarification — to ask a related question. What's the worth of FPM on Debian? Especially given the issues that Wouter has raised in the bug¹ ¹

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not, but Debian is not hosting mentors, the .net domain is a forwarding service of sorts, so to take on the responsibility

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:04:40PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: Aslo, we have sso.debian.org, whose use we should expand. I'd love to see that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Further Update on R 3.0.0 migration (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 09:18:05AM -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: Charles, failing that, shall we coordinate off-list? Re-building in chroot takes about a minute or two each but sadly some of these package appear effectively orphaned (eg gpplot2, single upload 15 months ago -- is that really

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:28:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: % ls -lh debian/rules lrwxrwxrwx 1 mrvn users 1 Apr 16 12:27 debian/rules - /usr/bin/dh I don't understand your point, other than to demonstrate that

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:38:14AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Well yes, but if you do even small things such as generate the package manually instead of using debhelper, prepare to be shouted at by the British Cabal with threats of using superpowers to remove such packages from Debian.

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: I also posted on Debian Planet, how to find patches applied in Ubuntu via Debian PTS together with categories of useful fixes that are relevant to Jessie and may be already solved/patched in Ubuntu. [1] I perceived that blog

Re: Bug#705930: ITP: kitchen -- Cornuscopia of useful Python code

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It would be nice if the long description (at least) gave a bit more of a concrete overview over the type of utilities that are included. Look at e.g. moreutils, devscripts for examples of how to do this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Ideally, i'd like to see debian to branch or use t-p-u, such that sid can continue accepting new uploads and not freeze. E.g. something similar to how fedora operates. I vaguely recall that something like that has been proposed

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:20:53PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: dh_make -f ../foo-1.tar.gz dpkg-buildpackage I think one valid point the OP makes which each of these suggestions — in isolation — seem to miss, is there are *too many ways to do it*. The suggestions you (and others)

Re: Join the #newinwheezy game

2013-04-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Is there a mobile version? Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2013, at 17:52, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ (in German, English and Dutch) Please. Read it. Follow it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Paul, This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Many people, including Roger and Marco, have spent a *lot* of time thinking about this and working on proofs of concepts, etc. already. Please take some time to read up on the previous threads before

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: That said, I'm not in support of moving things to /usr; it's completely backward. … If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge tend

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 7 May 2013, at 17:26, Simon Chopin chopin.si...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. Don't worry, I haven't: I just don't know of a more accurate heuristic for determining when somebody started to get involved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I don't see why, in this context, that's a useful heuristic to have. If you want to debunk someone's argument, I'm not sure I'd characterize what I tried to get across as debunking someone's argument. More so, questioning

Re: parsable copyright format 1.0 (jessie release goals)

2013-05-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 07:52:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Being able to write tools to extract the license of any given package. Well, extract what the maintainer thought the license was when they wrote debian/copyright. What correlation that has with reality is an open question. -- To

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 06:26:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Oh, sorry, I forgot, you work for Canonical (which totally explains some of your writings in the other eMail too, which I’m not going to comment on). Of course, for *buntu people it’s not about choice. I think you are totally out

Re: Bug#709237: ITP: meta-suckless-tools -- meta-package installs simple commands for minimalistic window managers

2013-05-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 07:17:34AM +0400, Dmitry Papchenkoff wrote: Maybe there should not be a separate package for each tool, but at least st and dmenu should be packaged separately. Why? Moreover, there IS a package named stterm in unstable which ships st separately (I've found it then

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:22:12AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: Gentlemen, This is well-worn territory on -devel. Please bear in mind the OP's wish not to open this can of worms again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e. the minority of all contributions are done by the original author. 40% still means that 60% of the code

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
If On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:50:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: A large number of contributors to an *init system* is not something that should be a goal in and of itself Then Furthermore, the statistics for systemd are themselves a distortion isn't really relevant here, let's please not

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:02:22AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA? Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!? As things stand, for the vast

Re: Bug#706078: ITP: base91 -- base91 encoder/decoder

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:42:20AM +0200, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: this description is from the upstream readme. I have submited a bug report to ask for a correction. Should I patch the readme inbetween ? If you mean the package description, then yes: it should be tailored to Debian. When

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Adam, On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:56:06PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files. From my brief experience of working on games-thumbnails, I can appreciate that the space savings may well be worth it at scale, but performing

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 28 May 2013, at 14:04, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: Some plugins for photoshop etc store data in the fields that get removed by pngcrush and friends. In a sense, doing this is removing source data. This is a bug that should be fixed in the optimiser(s). However, it could

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Simon, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:05:24PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: The participants in this thread are debian-devel subscribers: the sort of people who know that Debian is a Unix system, know what a Unix system is, and have some idea of what a btrfs scrub cron job, or indeed an MTA,

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 04:50:15PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Do you have any reason at all to believe that these were problems with systemd, rather than problems in Debian configuration or mostly independent bugs in other software that happened to trigger under systemd? Whether or not systemd

Re: question about build a package

2013-06-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Pol, Your question is more on-topic for the debian-mentors list. You might get more help there. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 06:38:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:53:56 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: I think that ease of configurability is a major plus for Postfix when compared to Exim, since a common configurations is just a few lines long. How many lines

Re: default MTA

2013-06-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 11:36:21PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Well, in that case, it failed to be as simple to configure as qmail. Is ease of configuration an important criteria for default MTA? More important than sensible-default? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
We'll need binaries for sdl 1 and 2 coexisting from two different source packages I believe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply ignores bug severities entirely. Of course harder to do nearer to release, but we live in a time of relative luxury right now… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At some point in the recent past the SDL team was effectively dead and the games team took over maintenance. ISTR sponsoring at least one upload of an SDL component during that time. However, it's possible that the SDL time was revived since. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:10:22PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: Life for the maintainer or for the user? Well, the severity of a bug, from a user POV, makes no guarantee on how serious the maintainer takes it, nor whether they will actually fix it. Admittely some users get comfort from being

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:45:07PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Sendmail has just one more layer of indirection by virtue of the m4 macros. Postfix has most of its behavior hard coded in the C sources, while exim's behavior can be controlled by run-time configuration if an advanced user wants to

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 11:10:38AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Since you repeat this claim: over the last year and a bit, systemd has seen 21 releases. I agree this is quite a lot, but it's hardly twice a week. The number of Linux releases over the samer period is only about half that,

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:00:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: To this exim expert, configuring exim is done as follows: zcat /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz /etc/exim4/exim4.conf Absolutely. At some point in the last few years I was recommended this course of action by a

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:05:24PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: The only class of users I can imagine the current situation not optional is someone being used to postfix[1]. Well, that's not me… When I remember learning exim I found it quite nice that the config is quite self-explaining

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: OpenPGP and S/MIME don't guarantee anonymity as they don't (and can't really) encrypt the headers/envelope Erm, they also identify the recipients, as it's the recipients key to which the messages are encrypted. (and typically the

Re: default MTA

2013-06-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: DFSG #4: Our priorities are our users and free software A court prosecuting/persecuting one of our users is not in scope I'm now struggling to understand which side of the argument you are arguing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: Being able to systematically link bugs to hardware would be useful, then other owners of the same hardware would (a) be able to check for outstanding bugs before upgrading (b) try to reproduce and confirm bugs And if one uses more

Re: Anybody using quilt?

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:59:41PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 Anything other looks bad :-) I think guilt attempts to address something that 3.0 leaves unresolved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: packaging data that can't be distributed as part of a Debian package

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 08:10:07PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Fri, 20 Sep 2013, Faheem Mitha wrote: So, I suppose anyone using the software needs to download it. I'll provide a script to download the data, but if I want to build a Debian package containing that data, how

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: It is also impossible to patch the binary format unlike SQL. Interesting. For the first time, I've realised there can be a clash between preferred form for modification and preferred form for use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 20 Sep 2013, at 14:49, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: I mean, not really, right? I wouldn't write it if I didn't think so. If I want to use a .so, I want the ELF, but I want to modify it in C The classic case we all know well which doesn't map to this situation. This just

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: Replacing unrar-free with unar wrapper

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:30:59PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: My proposal is to remove unrar-free from Debian, for the reasons mentioned above, and add a patch to src:unar that include a wrapper script that provides a command-line wrapper compatible to both unrar-free and unrar-nonfree, so

Re: qmake and make dist

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:06:04PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: For all my qmake and cmake based projects, neither that has a make dist, I've asked my VCS for a tarball of the tag and blessed that one as 'the release'. +1 Anecdotally, one of my upstreams has a broken tarball which is a git

Re: pdksh transitional package going away...

2013-09-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 08:41:15AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: In Debian, there are only two packages depending, recommending, suggesting or build-depending on pdksh right now: … graphviz (U) shunit2 These surprised me, so I took a peek. In shunit2's case, ksh is optionally used as

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-09-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
in the area will understand. Quite a challenge.) -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013093019.GA16565@debian

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 01:31:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: P.S: Even if I'm spending the most of my days on packaging OpenStack for Debian, it's still too big for me alone, and I would accept some help... May I make a suggestion? Instead of filing ITPs for every Openstack component, file

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